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Harry Reid on the Bundy ranch standoff: 'This ainít over'
Hotair ^ | 04/15/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 04/15/2014 11:42:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

For once he’s right. John Hinderaker, who’s sympathetic to Bundy, nonetheless acknowledges that he doesn’t have a leg to stand on legally. Bundy’s theory, that land universally recognized for the past 150 years as belonging to the federal government really belongs to Nevada because it was never properly conveyed to the U.S., is DOA in court. He’ll lose his appeals and then, presumably, he’ll go on refusing to pay grazing fees to use the land. What should the feds do then? Given the publicity the case has drawn and the fact that the judiciary’s on his side, Obama can’t look the other way at Bundy’s continued defiance of the law. He’s happy to do that abroad with bad actors like Putin and Assad because Ukraine and Syria aren’t part of his jurisdiction. (Although fans of the world-policeman theory of foreign policy might disagree.) He can duck those messes, sort of. He can’t duck the one in Nevada, if only because letting Bundy off the hook there is bound to inspire copycat defiance elsewhere. So Reid’s right. This isn’t over.

My question is, how should the feds proceed once Bundy’s appeals are exhausted? What could they do to enforce the court’s order that won’t be treated as some sort of provocation by Bundy supporters? Seize his cattle that are on federal land? Let the cattle graze there but seize some of his assets to make him pay the grazing fee? (If they went the latter route, ranchers would then have a liability right to use federal land for their own purposes, which would interfere with the government’s plans for land use.) Watch the second clip below and you’ll find Glenn Beck taken aback by the violent rhetoric among some Bundy supporters, a portion of whom he thinks are clearly spoiling for a fight. Then watch the first clip, where one supporter is interviewed, and you’ll see why. (Another supporter, a former sheriff, spitballed on Fox News yesterday about placing women at the front of the protest crowd to maximize the PR damage to the feds in case shooting breaks out.) Remember, Bundy doesn’t recognize federal jurisdiction over the land at all; any interference with his cattle by the BLM, no matter how light a touch is used, will presumably be regarded by him and his fans as illegal and therefore worthy of resistance.

Maybe, since Bundy recognizes Nevada’s authority over the land, the feds could ask Nevada authorities to remove the cattle? Not sure the local cops would be up for that, though, partly because of the politics involved in siding with the feds against a native rancher and partly because it sets a precedent of doing the feds’ dirty work for them anytime someone raises an objection to federal authority. Besides, would that really appease Bundy? If the county commissioner shows up and tells him that it really is federal land, according to the government of Nevada, would that do it or would Bundy go on believing his own theory?


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; clivebundy; harryreid; nevada; ntsa

1 posted on 04/15/2014 11:42:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Legal court order and rule of law sound more and more hollow.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 11:44:21 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, dirty Harry. It won’t be over until we have term limits so scumbags like you can’t make a lucrative career of elective office on our tax dollars, until a thorough investigation is conducted on your finances, and until a law is passed stripping you and your colleagues in crime of all your special “perks”, pensions and other illegitimate benefits.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 11:45:36 AM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: SeekAndFind; ridesthemiles; ponygirl; xzins

If he is not involved, why is he commenting? Hmmm?


4 posted on 04/15/2014 11:47:25 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bundy’s theory, that land universally recognized for the past 150 years as belonging to the federal government really belongs to Nevada because it was never properly conveyed to the U.S., is DOA in court.

The big problem with this theory is that the federal government took title to this land from Mexico by the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo in 1848. Nevada didn't become a state till 1864. Bundy's family didn't show up till 1877 or some such date.

Any way you slice it, federal ownership has been around a lot longer than any of the other parties involved.

Whether that's good policy is a whole other question.

5 posted on 04/15/2014 11:47:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone has resist federal theft of public lands, and it isn’t going to be politicians or our courts. States should demand their land, and when they don’t the people need to do it. It’s way past time to bring the constitutionality of public land ownership to the attention of the public. The federal government shouldn’t own the land Bundy’s cattle are grazing on.


6 posted on 04/15/2014 11:50:13 AM PDT by pallis
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To: lavaroise

Well since the FedGov doesn’t seem to be enforcing immigration laws, why the hell should it be enforcing ANY law against it’s own citizens?


7 posted on 04/15/2014 11:50:56 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

The Bundys have as much right to the land as Harry Reid does to his in Searchlight, also prime tortoise grounds.
http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php


8 posted on 04/15/2014 11:51:48 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the Feds should:
9 posted on 04/15/2014 11:52:00 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: pallis

Someone has resist federal theft of public lands, and it isn’t going to be politicians or our courts. States should demand their land, and when they don’t the people need to do it. It’s way past time to bring the constitutionality of public land ownership to the attention of the public. The federal government shouldn’t own the land Bundy’s cattle are grazing on.

I am sooo tempted everyday anything comes onth news concerning Obama to call the local EPA office near where my idiot relative lives who voted for Obama and complain that my relative is “farming over a wetland”....

Soo tempted to stick the government knife the SOB voted FOR in his own back courtesy of the EPA.....

You have no idea...


10 posted on 04/15/2014 11:52:45 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

One wrong doesn’t justify a second wrong.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 11:53:46 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: lavaroise

Not according to Glenn Beck and his followers. According to them..the law is the law no matter who writes it these days.


12 posted on 04/15/2014 11:55:08 AM PDT by crz
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To: DannyTN

[ One wrong doesn’t justify a second wrong. ]

I know that, and I know I am a weak person and it is taking the patience and forgiveness of a literal saint NOT to do this...


13 posted on 04/15/2014 11:56:03 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think Bundy has a leg to stand on legally either, but here’s the deal. The left routinely ignores the law when it serves THEIR purposes. Now that they’ve stacked the courts with sympathetic judges, they can pass laws that could not possibly stand constitutional scrutiny in another time. They also own the executive branch and its burgeoning bureaucracy, and it ignores all sorts of laws or interprets them with the widest possible discretion to serve its political aims.

So forgive me if I hold Senator Harry Reid and his admonition that “people can’t just break the law and walk away from it” in utter contempt. Harry Reid himself is a law breaker of the highest order. He just happens to have the power to get away with it. We understand the tyrant’s game, and that’s why my sympathies lie with Mr. Bundy regardless of what the law says. The law these days is simply a tool the powerful use to oppress the people!


14 posted on 04/15/2014 11:56:46 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: DannyTN
One wrong doesn’t justify a second wrong.

Who says it is a second wrong? If the guy is farming over wetlands, then we should be using the power of the government against them as they would do us.
As Lincoln said: "The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly."

15 posted on 04/15/2014 12:00:51 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: ZULU

Of all the possible constitutional amendments being contemplated, I think term limits is THE most important. Why? Because the courts have ruled the federal government can do pretty much whatever it wants. That means a Congress favorable to us could also dismantle whatever it wants. The only way to get that Congress is to eliminate the new American aristocracy that thinks it’s their right to rule for life. Once elected, they use their political power to try and hold onto their jobs forever, and that is what must be broken!


16 posted on 04/15/2014 12:01:50 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It sounds as though Snidely Whiplash is a little upset over this land scam. Da boy wants mo money and he wants it now. LOL! You tell ‘em Snidely!!!


17 posted on 04/15/2014 12:03:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: DannyTN

Your suggestion are reasonable and sensible.

And they will never happen.

This is about Federal government control of land and the Reid family finances.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 12:17:48 PM PDT by kidd
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To: SeekAndFind

This won’t be over until Bundy is driven off the land for which his family has held grazing and water rights for generations, until the Red Chinese solar company gets the land for a song, and until Reid and his son are accorded all the attendant fees and compensation for their service to ENN.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 12:25:21 PM PDT by khelus
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To: kidd
This is about Federal government control of land and the Reid family finances.

Bingo !
20 posted on 04/15/2014 12:27:10 PM PDT by khelus
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To: DannyTN

I agree with you. In days past with feds in good faith, that would have already been done long ago and no one would be aware of the accord except the principals.

Feds are no longer in good faith very often, or very deeply.


21 posted on 04/15/2014 12:39:58 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I knew it. The feds don’t back down.


22 posted on 04/15/2014 1:05:09 PM PDT by caligatrux
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To: SeekAndFind

It won’t be over until the head of the snake is chopped off.


23 posted on 04/15/2014 1:06:51 PM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Plus ask yourself what is a US Senator doing involving himself in the land usage of a county?

Harry Reid was elected to go to the Senate of the United States and represent the state of Nevada in matters of the nation. Foreign policy, budget matters, immigration etc. He is not supposed to be involving himself in state matters like land usage. That is why you have state legislators and county commisssioners, mayors etc.

Our two senators don’t try to involve themselves in state level issues. They don’t make deals with the Chi Coms to build projects in GA. Its inappropriate.


24 posted on 04/15/2014 1:11:43 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind
***Harry Reid on the Bundy ranch standoff: 'This ain’t over'***

YOU AIN'T SEEN THE LAST OF ME!


25 posted on 04/15/2014 1:14:30 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: GraceG
"Well since the FedGov doesn’t seem to be enforcing immigration laws, why the hell should it be enforcing ANY law against it’s own citizens?"

That is, realistically, the only question people should be asking at this time.

26 posted on 04/15/2014 1:14:45 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“ask yourself what is a US Senator doing involving himself in the land usage of a county?”

Great point. I will use it!


27 posted on 04/15/2014 1:26:18 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: crz
"Not according to Glenn Beck and his followers. According to them..the law is the law no matter who writes it these days."

Remember that the Founders were considered to be criminals under the laws at the time. Those laws and their enforcement were so intolerable and detrimental to individual liberty that the Founders rose up and fought a revolution.

Those laws were written by a tyrannical regime which now looks rather tame and benevolent when compared to the injustices and abuses of the Obama administration.

After the war, the Founders then worked to secure liberty for their posterity within the framework of a totally new kind of government, one with clear limitations on the size and scope of government.

The Founders would no longer recognize the republic they gave us. It makes me ashamed.

How much more? If not now, when?

28 posted on 04/15/2014 1:26:48 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Harry, it ain’t over? With you and the Marxists in Congress, honest hard working citizens are being harassed while your Marxist gay boyfriend can’t be bothered by thugs like Kim Jung In and Putin.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 3:46:33 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: crz

Idiots indeed. We all know adoption is a privilege. Natural birth a right. Sandra Fluke asking for free gambling money to feed her sex body gambling addiction is disgusting, notwithstanding using children as bargaining and poker chips. meanwhile Reid has the same gangster prostitute gay relationship gamblings with the Chinese.

This not a tax, this is a gangster racket.

There are higher laws but people choose to ignore them, with BLM cops perjuring themselves in false testimonies with a badge and judges making false interpretations. just great.


30 posted on 04/16/2014 1:49:13 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: ronnyquest

Indeed. it did not matter to idiot King George that the Founders tried to negociate an understanding. The King was not leading a sustainable British colonization and conquest, it was all corrupted by his inner aristocratic circles. the Founders were well aware they would too go extinct like England if the followed it. To wit America came back to rescue England several times after being blamed for destroying the empire.

Sounds very Obamaesque.


31 posted on 04/16/2014 1:53:06 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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