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American Legion shoots down idea to tie immigration to military service
Jacqueline Klimas and Stephen Dinan ^ | The Washington Times

Posted on 04/15/2014 8:51:33 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal

The American Legion says it is opposed to trying to tie immigration into the annual defense policy debate, calling it an unacceptable “amnesty” and dealing a serious blow to Republicans desperate to pass some sort of legalization of illegal immigrants ahead of November’s elections.

Several Republicans say they want to attach a small legalization that would grant an explicit chance at citizenship to young illegal immigrants willing to join the military.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; denham; jeff; opponents; uniform
Maybe Jeff Denham should have consulted groups other than La Raza, Frank Sharry and Eric Cantor.
1 posted on 04/15/2014 8:51:34 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

That’s yet another lesson we can learn from the former Roman Empire.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 8:54:53 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Mr. Blond; All

Arrest all Illegal Alien Invaders from Mexico at the US/Mexican Border, and hold them in desert prisons for 6 months, as specified by CURRENT US Border Laws.

The only Border Reform that needs to be done is to force our politicians in “both” political parties to demand that all existing Border Laws be strictly enforced.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 8:59:41 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

As someone who has served in the military, this is a point that I’m a little “over the barrel” on. If a person is willing to serve, and they serve honorably, I think they should be given front of the line consideration for citizenship.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 9:03:08 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: ObamahatesPACoal; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...

Active Duty ping.


5 posted on 04/15/2014 9:09:10 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

How about we add nine months border patrol to the nine weeks boot camp regimen for our natural-born and naturalized U.S. Army patriots?


6 posted on 04/15/2014 9:11:51 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: doc1019; All

I’m sure my son with years of Special Forces duty would agree, but I will ask him. During Gulf War I his Guatemalan friend who was also one of his groomsmen took up the task of forwarding supplies and food to his post in Saudi Arabia.


7 posted on 04/15/2014 9:13:45 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: doc1019

If a person is willing to serve, and they serve honorably, I think they should be given front of the line consideration for citizenship.

Agreed...
Military service for citizenship is a tradition almost as old as civilization itself.


8 posted on 04/15/2014 9:14:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Eh, they could’ve called the bluff. These illegals have as much interest in serving in the military, serving this country, being away from their families as much as they have interest in learning our language and culture.

And for what? They’ve been ushered along, given primary status, heck, around here, they push to the front of the line, get instate tuition and scholarships a lot sooner than military, they outrank veterans.

They could’ve called the bluff, and it would have gone nowhere, though the media would’ve changed the story for cover,

It’s just a musing. though quite true.

No, the republicans (GOPe) have just no real idea what goes on in the military. It’s work, esp fro recruits. These guys, the ones around here, no, they are not interested in serving this country, what was the military supposed to do with the 90% of the washouts?

The military only works when they have the clear and real option of dishonorable discharge actually meaning something, how’s that supposed to hurt an illegal?.
And they would never kick an illegal out of the military any sooner than they’d deport him.

Could we get some people in government, into politics who have just some bit of intelligence?


9 posted on 04/15/2014 9:22:04 PM PDT by stanne
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To: tcrlaf
...Military service for citizenship is a tradition almost as old as civilization itself.

Yeah....and any that screw up....like causing a "workplace incident"...

...get lined up for an annual Roman Army Decimentation ceremony.

10 posted on 04/15/2014 9:23:32 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: tcrlaf

American citizens who want to serve in the military should be given those spots before any consideration for illegal alien or DREAMers takes place. Then if there are spots left, noncitizens can be considered for service. And then if they serve honorably, they should be considered for citizenship. But there must not be a priority for giving citizens first shot at joining the services or Jeff Sessions would not be hollering about it.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 9:24:07 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: doc1019

there have been, as long as I remember, a great lot of Filipinos in the military.

I know many who have retired and have continued to contribute to this country and their community.

When do we get a break from people, politicians, expecting us to dream that any immigrant is the same as any other, illegal or not.

Just a break


12 posted on 04/15/2014 9:25:16 PM PDT by stanne
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

What a great idea!

People who really don’t like us, longing for revenge against the hated Gringo, would get the right to arm themselves with hi power automatic weapons un obtainable by the citizenry!

I can’t wait!

Almost as intelligent as um, home employment for burglary convicts?


13 posted on 04/15/2014 9:26:20 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: doc1019
As someone who has served in the military, this is a point that I’m a little “over the barrel” on. If a person is willing to serve, and they serve honorably, I think they should be given front of the line consideration for citizenship.

As someone who has also served, I consider it an insult that illegal aliens should be allowed to serve in the military. We have plenty of Americans and legal immigrants who can serve in those positions, especially as the military is being reduced.

There is already a program to allow green card holders to serve and receive expedited citizenship. We don't have a mercenary military that needs to recruit foreign national lawbreakers to serve, an honor and privilege for those that do.

The Left and Rep pro-amnesty creeps like to use these emotional ploys to gain acceptance of lawbreakers. We either have the Rule of Law or we don't. Just because the CIC violates the law regularly does not mean that we must accept it from others.

14 posted on 04/15/2014 9:30:33 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Jeff Denham supported Pelosi’s HR15 amnesty bill. He hasn’t signed the discharge petition because it would be a waste of time and he wouldn’t be able to pull stunts like this.

He is just floating a bunch of smaller amnesties he thinks he can pass.

Even if the idea is legitimate it should be a standalone bill that goes to the judiciary where Denham fears Gohmert will debunk his never served myth.

Steve King could help sink Coffman if Coffman takes him up on a debate.


15 posted on 04/15/2014 9:35:38 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Jeff Denham supported Pelosi’s HR15 amnesty bill. He hasn’t signed the discharge petition because it would be a waste of time and he wouldn’t be able to pull stunts like this.

He is just floating a bunch of smaller amnesties he thinks he can pass.

Even if the idea is legitimate it should be a standalone bill that goes to the judiciary where Denham fears Gohmert will debunk his never served myth.

Steve King could help sink Coffman if Coffman takes him up on a debate.


16 posted on 04/15/2014 9:35:44 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: kabar

And just to add a little coda to your post.

How many legal immigrants would we have if the Draft still existed?

Beyond the silly registration charade we have now.

No affirmative action for the little darlings of the newly arrived either: just do the push ups, kid.

The exodus of the already arrived would seem like a tidal wave.


17 posted on 04/15/2014 9:35:52 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: tcrlaf

Worked out real well for the Romas empire ,
It collapsed based on that great idea.

Giving people who broke into country and trashed laws military training and guns .

Aren’t you the paid Putin KGB thug poster peddling that murdous thug’s propaganda !


18 posted on 04/15/2014 9:37:00 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: stanne

But, were they allowed to become American citizens because of their service? Most of the Filipinos I served with only wanted to get their 20 in and return to the PI with their pensions ... to live like kings.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 9:37:25 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: petitfour
Then if there are spots left, noncitizens can be considered for service. And then if they serve honorably, they should be considered for citizenship.

I would qualify that and say legal non-citizens. We have over 30,000 green card holders serving in the military. They receive expedited citizenship in return. Since September 2002, USCIS has naturalized 89,095 members of the military.

We should never allow illegal aliens to serve unless we are engaged in a major war. By law, illegal aliens are supposed to register for the draft.

20 posted on 04/15/2014 9:37:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Graewoulf

Maybe the BLM can loan some firearms to the Border Patrol so they can enforce our borders.


21 posted on 04/15/2014 9:40:18 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: doc1019
We had a special agreement with the Philippines on recruitment into the Navy. It ended in 1991. When I served, the vast majority of Filipinos served as stewards. Some migrated to other specialties.

Filipino U.S. Navy – From Steward and Mess Boys to Admirals

22 posted on 04/15/2014 9:46:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
When the Feds decide to turn the military against Americans a strong immigrant
military would have no moral obligation to resist orders.
23 posted on 04/15/2014 10:17:42 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: doc1019

Many I know retired here, whether they were already citizens, I don’t know.

But they respected our military and our country. THey shared their own, and they stuck together like chain gangs, but they acted like part of the team, they led very well and they spoke English, and politely when we occasionally said, ‘hey, speak english’.

An illegal alien is going to serve 20 years?


24 posted on 04/15/2014 10:58:15 PM PDT by stanne
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I could go along with expedited citizenship for LEGAL aliens.

I knew one from East Germany. He arrived here in 1971 as a thirteen year old. His step dad was a Sargent in the Army. When he turned 18, he enlisted and served honorably for 13 years.

He once told me his proudest day, other than the days his daughters were born, was the day he EARNED his citizenship.

Tragically, he was killed in an industrial accident on Easter Sunday, 1983. We lost a great American.

25 posted on 04/15/2014 11:39:28 PM PDT by snowtigger
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To: kabar
As someone that has also served, and forefathers served in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. My Brother was in Granada, I was in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I don't blame the illegal alien for trying to better his life. And if he chooses to do this by honerable US Military service, I would be glad to have them in my command.

That being said, I as a commander would like to have the yea or nea on whether this person should be allowed to have citizenship.

26 posted on 04/16/2014 8:07:05 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Held my nose to vote.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
I don't blame the illegal alien for trying to better his life. And if he chooses to do this by honerable [sic] US Military service, I would be glad to have them in my command.

Is that the metric we use? Trying to better his life? How does that excuse illegality? Is that the message we want to send worldwide? Get into the US illegally and you will be rewarded by being given an opportunity to join the US military and get citizenship?

We are in the process of reducing the size of the military. Some people are being forced out to get down to the required staffing. So US citizens and legal immigrants (green card holders) will be competing against illegal aliens for spots in the military. Where is the fairness in that? What obligation do we owe to our own people?

In a more general sense, this is about jobs. Why should illegal aliens be on equal footing with legal residents of this country? I am really astounded at how the politicians can manipulate alleged conservatives emotionally into circumventing the Rule of Law.

That being said, I as a commander would like to have the yea or nea on whether this person should be allowed to have citizenship.

You don't have that right nor should you.

27 posted on 04/16/2014 8:19:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

My husbands grandfather came here from Smyrna in 1918 I believe. He entered the Navy soon after.

I thought that was how he earned his citizenship.

I’m assuming the immigrants would only be granted citizenship when they complete their service honorably.


28 posted on 04/16/2014 8:22:29 AM PDT by katnip (There are monsters who swindle their mothers out of their life savings.)
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To: kabar

Now I have been wrong before, many many times.

However, if one illegal prevents a US Citizen from joining the military based on number’s required, all US Citizens should be at the front of the line.

Otherwise, let them in.


29 posted on 04/16/2014 9:00:12 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Held my nose to vote.)
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To: doc1019
"I think they should be given front of the line consideration for citizenship."

We are reducing personal in all branches. Probably will continue to do so. That combined with the new normal of very little employment opportunity for OUR youth, I'd argue that "front of the line consideration" for enlistment -and it's many opportunities- should go to US citizen youth.

30 posted on 04/16/2014 9:15:56 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
However, if one illegal prevents a US Citizen from joining the military based on number’s required, all US Citizens should be at the front of the line.

Cut the BS. How do you prove that? Do you honestly believe we can't meet our numbers without bringing in illegal aliens? The illegal aliens should not even be in line.

When you reward something, you get more of it. I guess the word is out to those wishing to enter the US illegally: Bring in your children and they will not only have a path to citizenship, they will be able to sponsor you once they get it. This is a rolling amnesty. When and how do we end it now that the precedent is set?

Otherwise, let them in.

What a f'ing travesty. It is an insult to all of us who have served.

31 posted on 04/16/2014 10:10:54 AM PDT by kabar
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