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Pro-Russia separatists take armor, humiliating Ukraine forces
Reuters ^ | 4/16/2014 | Gabriela Baczynska and Thomas Grove

Posted on 04/16/2014 1:55:13 PM PDT by Mariner

KRAMATORSK/SLAVIANSK, Ukraine (Reuters) - Separatists flew the Russian flag on armored vehicles taken from the Ukrainian army on Wednesday, humiliating a Kiev government operation to recapture eastern towns controlled by pro-Moscow partisans.

Six armored personnel carriers were driven into the rebel-held town of Slaviansk to waves and shouts of "Russia! Russia!". It was not immediately clear whether they had been captured by rebels or handed over to them by Ukrainian deserters.

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For those who advocate a stronger stance on Ukraine, I have to ask: Why?

The Ukrainian "Army" is not just surrendering, they are joining with the "rebels".

1 posted on 04/16/2014 1:55:13 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner
"It was not immediately clear whether they had been captured by rebels or handed over to them by Ukrainian deserters."

If I were Putin, I'd give the Russians some Armored Personnel Carriers dolled up to look Ukrainian, and say they were "captured." Good fun!

2 posted on 04/16/2014 1:59:10 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
"If I were Putin, I'd give the Russians some Armored Personnel Carriers dolled up to look Ukrainian, and say they were "captured."

Do you think that's what happened here?

3 posted on 04/16/2014 2:02:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
How did the pro-Russian side get labeled as “separatist”? They don't want their own nation, they don't even want the nation they have. They want to join a hostile nation that is on their borders. Would not “traitor” be a more apt label?
4 posted on 04/16/2014 2:04:21 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: Uncle Miltie

And he could have a pro-Rooskie crowd surround several troop carriers loaded with Ukrainian troops and demand that the troops surrender the firing pins to their weapons. That wascally Wussian wabbit!

This is looking less and less like Russia v. Georgia and more like `The Mouse That Roared’. Of course Obama, Kerry, McCain, Brennan, Slow Joe, their brass stooges and all the other usual suspects, and those here, are itching to jump feet first into this mess of quicksand.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 2:07:09 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Mariner

I have no idea.

But it would be in character for Puti.


6 posted on 04/16/2014 2:09:29 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: tumblindice

For the record, I’m in favor of massive economic sanctions against Russia for breaking treaties and invading neighbors. I think that’s quite enough to reverse Russia’s takings. We need not have boots on the ground.

But exactly NOTHING is going to happen. The West is feckless. Putin wins. Ukraine loses. That teaches everyone not to trust us.

0bama’s foreign policy: Weaken America.


7 posted on 04/16/2014 2:13:21 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: logic101.net
They want to join a hostile nation that is on their borders. Would not “traitor” be a more apt label?

Your question indicates that you don't really grasp the situation.

There were two offers of financial aid sitting in front of the Ukraine several months ago, a very good offer from Russia, and a very bad offer from the IMF. Yanukovich, the legitimate and elected president of the Ukraine, sensibly took the Russian offer, and Soros and a bunch of Soros-related organizations backed by our own rogue/feral state department pounced, and some of the Nazis in those organizations killed dozens of their own people in a false-flag op and seized power.

Not supporting that stupid **** does not make anybody a "traitor(TM)".

8 posted on 04/16/2014 2:24:05 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Uncle Miltie
Putin wins...

One can always hope...

Matt Drudge is referring to Putin as the leader of the free world

Pat Buchanan believes (as I do) that God is on Putin's side:
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2014/04/04/whose-side-is-god-on-now-n1818499/page/full

Background:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134772/posts

US Govt Russophobia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPv106Oie8Y

The false flag sniper op at Maidan:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/everyone-agrees-ukraine-sniper-attacks-false-flag-argue-culprit.html

Putin's Perspective
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130725/182424969/Christianity-Made-Russia-Great-World-Power—Putin.html

Arrest warrant for George Soros:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpO3PArAoUQ

Faith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk

200 New Christian churches being built in an daround Moscow:
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Foundations-laid-for-first-of-200-new-Orthodox-churches-in-Moscow-21434.html

The Cathedral of Christ The Savior:
http://www.123rf.com/photo_7308397_the-restored-cathedral-of-christ-the-savior-in-moscow-at-night.html

calls for world leaders to stop the slaughter/persecution of Christians :
http://answersforthefaith.com/2013/08/08/putin-world-leaders-should-unite-to-end-christian-persecution/

The United States is still demographically a Christian nation but you'd never know it from observing our government. All you ever read about our government doing these days is supporting regimes which persecute Christians and Christianity, and then you ask whose side you think God might be on? You think God could ever be on the side of George Soros, Monsanto, and the Obunga state department?? For that matter do you think God would be on the side of "conservatives" who weren't bright enough to see through demoKKKrat/NWO/Soros/US_StateDept propaganda and BS??

9 posted on 04/16/2014 2:25:43 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Uncle Miltie
“WE” as in the US no.. “WE” as in NATO which would include US troops yes. We need as they have said they are going to do reinforce Eastern Europe with mobilized NATO troops. You just don't let Russia do what they want to who they want. You let them know it's going to be not only economically painful but militarily painful that if they continue their aggression their will be hell to pay. We don't have to stoke the fires, just put the necessary people in place to make sure we will sure as hell put it out.
10 posted on 04/16/2014 2:28:45 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: varmintman
"'Putin wins'... One can always hope...

Matt Drudge is referring to Putin as the leader of the free world

Pat Buchanan believes (as I do) that God is on Putin's side"

I leave the judgment of others to your own words.

11 posted on 04/16/2014 2:33:50 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

AH I think it already happen LOL!


12 posted on 04/16/2014 2:34:24 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Almondjoy

You might do that. I might do that.

0bama won’t do that. Merkel won’t, France, UK, etc. won’t.

So, Putin wins, without a downside so far as he can see.

That’s dangerous. Putin is just a garden variety bully who will take and take and take until someone bloodies his nose.

Who will ever pop him in the nose? I see no leader on the horizon willing to stand up to him. So everyone loses to the kleptocrat bully for the foreseeable future.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 2:37:24 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Who will ever pop him in the nose?

If the Ukrainians are unwilling to do it, why should we?

14 posted on 04/16/2014 2:38:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Uncle Miltie
I expect demoKKKrats to be clueless, but it's really sickening to see so many self-styled "conservatives" utterly failing to grasp the reality of this one. Vladimir Putin is a legitimate hero and George Soros is the most evil SOB to walk the Earth since Hitler, and the clowns who've taken over the Ukraine are Soros sock puppets.

Other than for Putin having shut down the greentards and their Malthusian agendas in 04, people like you would be rubbing sticks together to make fire by now.

15 posted on 04/16/2014 2:38:39 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: logic101.net
Would not “traitor” be a more apt label?

Depends. Some use "oppressed Russian minority," and yammer about George Soros.

16 posted on 04/16/2014 2:39:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: varmintman

I’m sure he grasps the situation much better then you do.


17 posted on 04/16/2014 2:40:52 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: Uncle Miltie

Part of the problem is that the Ukrainians are screwed either way. They send troops with orders not to open fire, and the FR armchair brigade calls them wimps. They open fire, and the FR armchair brigade resumes its bromance with Vladi Putin.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 2:42:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Uncle Miltie

that’s the job of the Russian electorate. we are taking a vacation from nation building other countries.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 3:04:19 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: 1rudeboy; logic101.net

And “Neo-Nazis” which they won’t shut up about.

And how Putin’s puppet Yanukovich was “legitimately elected”, give me a break.

Some of the Putin boot-licking going on is borderline homoerotric.


20 posted on 04/16/2014 4:37:30 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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And how Putin’s puppet Yanukovich was “legitimately elected”, give me a break.

From the Wikipedia article on the 2010 Ukrainian Presidential election -

'A total of 3,149 international observers did monitor the January 17 presidential election in Ukraine.[228][229]

On January 18, 2010, the OSCE announced it would send same number of observers to monitor Ukraine's second round of the election as in the first round.[230] At the same time it called for bringing Ukraine's election laws in line with international norms[231] but nevertheless it endorsed the first round of the Ukrainian presidential poll, saying it was of "high quality" and demonstrated "significant progress".[232]

After the second round of the election international observers and the OSCE called the election transparent and honest.[157]'

Yanukovich's election was at least a honest as Barry Soetoro's.

21 posted on 04/16/2014 5:34:25 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
Yanukovich's election was at least a honest as Barry Soetoro's.

You make my point for me.

In any case, removal of that swine was just and necessary.

22 posted on 04/16/2014 5:41:26 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Mariner

There have been mass defections of individuals to entire formations of the Ukrainian Army and Air Force to the Russians. This includes Su-27’s and Mi-24’s flying to Russian held territory to surrender themselves.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 7:00:36 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: varmintman

a very good offer from Russia?

Really? Hmmmm, kind of like; “You have a really nice place here. Be a shame if something happened to it.”


24 posted on 04/16/2014 8:28:46 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: logic101.net

~a very good offer from Russia?

Really? Hmmmm, kind of like; “You have a really nice place here. Be a shame if something happened to it.”~

$15 000 000 000 and a tax-free Ukrainian exports to Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan was a very nice offer, comparing to anything EU could ever bring there.


25 posted on 04/16/2014 8:54:05 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Mariner

To be honest, we shouldn’t get involved in border disputes. Let them fight it out themselves. Why is it any of our business?


26 posted on 04/17/2014 12:38:28 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 1rudeboy
"the FR armchair brigade resumes its bromance with Vladi Putin."

That's the part that's wack.

Pro-Totalitarian-Kleptocratic-FReeper? Man. (SMH)

27 posted on 04/17/2014 6:18:59 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: varmintman

I love you as an opponent. Keep showing your true colors.


28 posted on 04/17/2014 6:23:28 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: dfwgator
"Who will ever pop (Putin) in the nose?"

Today, nobody will. Tomorrow (Western Ukraine), nobody will. The day after that (pick a non-Nato Eastern European country) nobody will.

Next week, when Puti goes for The Baltics, will someone finally have the nerve? Putin's calculus will tell him "No". And he may be right.

Next Month, Poland?

If not today, at which point will anyone stand up to the bully? Never?

29 posted on 04/17/2014 6:28:35 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

It’s up to the Ukrainians to bloody Putin’s nose....Nobody else is going to do it for them. They want their freedom, they are going to have to earn it.

Might Makes Right, is still the rule...it’s why certain people flourish and some don’t. May not be fair, but there it is.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 6:31:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

True. That the Ukes let their military wither should be a warning to all the future stateless Eastern Europeans.


31 posted on 04/17/2014 6:39:13 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
I have no idea.

Bingo!

32 posted on 04/17/2014 6:23:48 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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