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Oversight member on Lois Lerner: ‘Now I see why IRS is scared to give up emails’
daily caller ^ | 4-16-14 | Patrick Howley

Posted on 04/17/2014 4:37:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

Key members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform expressed outrage at revelations made in newly released emails showing ex-IRS official Lois Lerner coordinating with the Department of Justice on prosecuting nonprofit groups.

One committee member said the emails prove why the IRS is “scared to give up the rest of Lois Lerner’s emails.” IRS commissioner John Koskinen was recently threatened with contempt for stonewalling the committee’s investigation. Koskinen claimed in a hearing that it could take years to provide the documents requested by Oversight.

“The release of new documents underscores the political nature of IRS Tea Party targeting and the extent to which supposed apolitical officials took direction from elected Democrats,” Oversight chairman Rep. Darrell Issa said in a statement. “These e-mails are part of an overwhelming body of evidence that political pressure from prominent Democrats led to the targeting of Americans for their political beliefs.”

“Now I see why the IRS is scared to give up the rest of Lois Lerner’s emails,” said Oversight Economic Growth subcommittee chairman Rep. Jim Jordan.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: bennet; democrats; enemieslist; franken; irs; koskinen; lerner; merkley; shaheen; udall; whitehouse
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1 posted on 04/17/2014 4:37:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni
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2 posted on 04/17/2014 4:41:30 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: TurboZamboni

Yeah, yeah.. When will someone in a position to do something actually DO SOMETHING??


3 posted on 04/17/2014 4:46:59 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: TurboZamboni

As much as I hate Lerner, I also do not want the Constitution violated in going after her.

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.” - 4th Amendment.

Papers and effects covers emails and phone conversations.
The NSA is violating the Constitution and so is anyone who obtains these records without a court order.


4 posted on 04/17/2014 4:47:08 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’m glad all of these Republicans are putting forward legislation to strip the IRS of the power it is abusing. Oh, wait...they’re not doing that. They’re just using this to whip up the rubes to vote for them in an election year. They want to make sure all that power is there for them to abuse when team red gets back into the white house. Any congressman pissing and moaning about this but has not authored or sponsored legislation to strip the IRS of its power needs to get a big cup of STFU.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 4:51:05 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: BuffaloJack
Judicial watch sued under he FOIA to get the emails.
6 posted on 04/17/2014 4:51:29 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: BuffaloJack
Are they her emails or government emails she happened to author?
7 posted on 04/17/2014 4:52:15 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: BuffaloJack

Dude, you wrong….work emails from agents like IRS hacks are NOT NOT NOT protected - if the IRS’s emails are protected, then none of us can possibly be protected…..don’t you see that???


8 posted on 04/17/2014 4:52:40 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: BuffaloJack

Every e-mail she sent from any computer that was owned by the government is public property.

It is impossible for anyone who uses a government-owned computer to not know that. You get briefed - in writing and by means of a face-to-face conversation - before you even get to touch a government-owned computer. You also get reminded of it every time you sign on to a government-owned computer.

I would like to know how many government-owned laptops, phones, and blackberries are in her home.

Every one of them is subject to review.


9 posted on 04/17/2014 4:52:43 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: BuffaloJack
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.” - 4th Amendment.

It protects "the people", not the government. The people have rights. The government has powers.

10 posted on 04/17/2014 4:54:23 AM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: BuffaloJack
Her work emails are not protected, her private address, yes but not her gov't email.

That is a matter of public record.

They are in violation of the law for not disclosing them, her rights have been more than protected.

11 posted on 04/17/2014 4:55:03 AM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: TurboZamboni

She’s a liar in the Chief Liar’s administration. He told O’Reilly and the nation that there wasn’t “a smidgeon” of scandal in the blatantly corrupt IRS targeting of conservatives. All of them should be arrested and jailed, as Scooter Libby was for giving “false testimony” in the bogus Valerie Plame flap.


12 posted on 04/17/2014 4:55:52 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Spirochete

Too much power.


13 posted on 04/17/2014 4:58:09 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: ArtDodger

Issa will convene another hearing in 6 months or so. I’m sure he’s just outraged...uh huh.


14 posted on 04/17/2014 4:58:26 AM PDT by surrey
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To: BuffaloJack
Papers and effects covers emails and phone conversations.

She was a government official. Her emails and phone conversations made as part of her job are public property.

Anyone who's logged onto a government computer in the last 10-15 years knows this. It's made absolutely clear on the login screen.
15 posted on 04/17/2014 5:00:23 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: TurboZamboni

The leadership at the IRS needs to be flushed.


16 posted on 04/17/2014 5:01:38 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: TurboZamboni

Oversight member on Lois Lerner: ‘Now I see why IRS is scared to give up emails’


You knew that comment had to be coming.

The IRS scandal is about as bad as it gets (well ,maybe not as is seems they tried to use it to distract from Benghazi) and possible the biggest scandal to rock the country since Teapot Dome

Wait till they uncover how much Government money and resources were diverted to the 2012 elections campaign.


17 posted on 04/17/2014 5:01:57 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: BuffaloJack
As much as I hate Lerner, I also do not want the Constitution violated in going after her.

I'm sure Elijah Cummings would agree. I want Lerner to receive as much consideration as I would if I were withholding information from the IRS. The woman is being investigated, not as a private citizen, but rather, in her capacity as a government agent who, by her own admission, placed illegitimate government pressure on private citizens. WE ARE THE VICTIMS OF THIS CRIME. . no crocodile tears for Lois.

18 posted on 04/17/2014 5:02:34 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: Steely Tom

That’s why the chick at EPA was using a fake name/account for her work email.


19 posted on 04/17/2014 5:03:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: BuffaloJack

I don’t think Lerner is a “people”, I think she is a government employee who needs to answer to her employer, the American people. We need the truth in this matter and if she and others conspired to silence American citizens unlawfully, she and the others involved need to pay.

Does my employer have a right to look at my company emails?


20 posted on 04/17/2014 5:05:18 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: BuffaloJack
As much as I hate Lerner, I also do not want the Constitution violated in going after her.

Nice sentiment... but wrong. She was our employee. Those emails belong to us. We're not going after her personal papers, effects or emails. We want the emails that she sent as part of her official position as a taxpayer employee.

21 posted on 04/17/2014 5:08:08 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: TurboZamboni

My initial reaction to this DOJ - IRS - Lerner eMail issue was a big yawn. If there really were violations of the law then DOJ+IRS is, I would assume, quite legit.

But that is not what was really happening. The path leads back to Dems in Congress pressuring the DOJ who then inquired with Lerner thus lighting the fuse that took us down the path that was followed.

Did DOJ and IRS and Lerner know this was all a political witch hunt. I’m sure they did. All they needed was a little pressure from “Congress” to set the wheels in motion.


22 posted on 04/17/2014 5:08:56 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: ArtDodger

Patience FRiend...listen to Katie Pavlich in the link below. Lerner is caught discussing this DOJ coordination with the assistant to the Director of the IRS (Doug Shulman), you know the guy who visited the White House some 150+ times. A lot of people are going down over this. And most importantly a choice for Barack Obama has to be made, resign or be impeached.

Katie Pavlich discusses newly released IRS emails that implicate DOJ prosecution of conservative groups

http://therightscoop.com/katie-pavlich-discusses-newly-released-irs-emails-that-implicate-doj-prosecution-of-conservative-groups/


23 posted on 04/17/2014 5:09:38 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: BuffaloJack
Papers and effects covers emails and phone conversations

Emails, and documents written on government computers, or from personal accounts conducting official business aren't 'private'. Neither are phone conversations over government telephone accounts.

24 posted on 04/17/2014 5:09:38 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Orangedog

+1


25 posted on 04/17/2014 5:10:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: TurboZamboni
The emails were obtained through a lawsuit filed by the watchdog group Judicial Watch, and were not provided to Oversight, which voted to hold Lerner in contempt of Congress. Lerner’s contempt charge currently awaits a full House floor vote.

WT_?! What more does Congress need?! A guilty plea?!

IRS commissioner John Koskinen was recently threatened with contempt for stonewalling the committee’s investigation. Koskinen claimed in a hearing that it could take years to provide the documents requested by Oversight.

Or ... just ask Judicial Watch to file another lawsuit?!!!!

26 posted on 04/17/2014 5:11:10 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: TurboZamboni; All

Technical question:
In such an investigation, how is it possible to be sure that no emails are overlooked?
Does the email server provide a catalog of all emails in order to check for gaps?
Freek Squad?


27 posted on 04/17/2014 5:12:00 AM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: Orangedog
Any congressman pissing and moaning about this but has not authored or sponsored legislation to strip the IRS of its power needs to get a big cup of STFU.

Send the first mug to Issa.

BTW, Lois Lerner completely forgot the oath of office she took when she was hired by the federal government. You know, the part about "supporting and defending the Constitution"? Of course, she took the 5th when she thought it was convenient for her to protect her a$$.

28 posted on 04/17/2014 5:14:49 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The EXEMPT and their EXEMPT Staff, all eager
to serve the Tyrant, DO NOTHING.

NOTHING.


29 posted on 04/17/2014 5:15:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Kakaze

Agreed. I’m pretty sure she was gleefully and giddily typing those emails while reporting her progress to her superiors in Washington (who probably report directly to the president) after wreaking havoc on the 501C Tea Party filers by recommending that they be audited which you know is probably what happened.

See when you personalize what happens and break it down you understand why Lerner should not be left off the hook. The president made it his mission to select particularly nasty and mean-spirited liberal people that have a vengeful spirit during this administration because he knew they would carry out his orders against his enemy (patriots: the hardworking people of this country who believe in God not Allah). Lerner needs to be dealt with harshly to put others on notice, NO MORE. We are not going to stand for, accept, or take anymore of this bull$hit treatment from our ELECTED (???) officials anymore.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 5:16:03 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Hotlanta Mike

“A lot of people are going down over this. And most importantly a choice for Barack Obama has to be made, resign or be impeached.”

I like your optimism, but it ain’t gonna happen.


31 posted on 04/17/2014 5:16:11 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: ArtDodger

> Key members of the House Committee on Oversight and
> Government Reform expressed outrage

Yes. Expressed outrage. That will get their attention.

Seems that someone in Congress is always expressing outrage about something.

The only ones that actually do something to direct their outrage at legislative action are the demonRATS. That’s where we get “gun control” legislation.


32 posted on 04/17/2014 5:17:06 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Amagi

The problem is that government jobs inherently attract pro-government (leftist) people.

Liberals are attracted, especially, to positions of UNACCOUNTABLE power over others like moths to a porch light.

Replacing the moths isn’t the answer. Busting out the porchlight is the answer.


33 posted on 04/17/2014 5:17:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
work emails from agents like IRS hacks are NOT NOT NOT protected ...

While it especially applies to government workers, like the IRS hacks, any 'work' emails are subject to subpoena in any lawsuit ...

p.s. a friend of mine who is an attorney with the FBI says a government employee can NOT plead the 5th before Congress ... of course saying that is verboten by the head of the DO"j" ...

34 posted on 04/17/2014 5:17:45 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

“A lot of people are going down over this. And most importantly a choice for Barack Obama has to be made, resign or be impeached.”

I like your optimism, but it ain’t gonna happen.


35 posted on 04/17/2014 5:17:50 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Spirochete

“The people have rights. The government has powers.”

Under Obama the government has rights, the bureaucracy has unlimited, unchecked power and the people have only the privileges those two entities deign to give them.

I wonder why Left is so anxious to disarm the population?/s


36 posted on 04/17/2014 5:18:10 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: ilovesarah2012
Does my employer have a right to look at my company emails?

Absolutely. It's usually written into the terms of employment.
Think of it this way - if YOU owned the company, the computer, the network, the email servers, wouldn't you think you had a right to view the emails written by your employees on your property during the time they were being paid to work for you?

37 posted on 04/17/2014 5:19:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: BuffaloJack

The communications of any sort she engages in in her official capacity are not subject to 4th Amendment protection. Her personal emails, phone calls, etc., would be a different matter entirely.

Anyone who uses a government computer is informed every time they log in that their usage is subject to monitoring.


38 posted on 04/17/2014 5:19:33 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: caver

I like your optimism, but it ain’t gonna happen.


Richard Nixon thought the same. Once it reaches a tipping point, there’s no stopping it. The GOP needs to fan the flames to anger the masses that a corrupt administration has abused the levers of the executive branch against free speech voting integrity of its citizens. Paint them as the crooks they are.


39 posted on 04/17/2014 5:19:34 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: BuffaloJack

I don’t think her work stuff should be protected. The 4th Amendment protects us from the government. When she was at the IRS, she was the government. Any “work” she did was supposed to be for the people and should not be protected.


40 posted on 04/17/2014 5:20:34 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: dontreadthis

> Technical question:
In such an investigation, how is it possible to be sure that no emails are overlooked?
Does the email server provide a catalog of all emails in order to check for gaps?
Freek Squad?

Indufficient information aviailable to make an intelligent statement that has any real meaning. Emails are probbly on any computer she had access to, the email server, and the other computers she sentbthem to. Thats - real general statement but probably correct.


41 posted on 04/17/2014 5:20:35 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Gaffer

IIRC, it is illegal, or at least a fireable offense, to use personal emails to conduct gov’t business,

because, inherently, such use is intended to avoid scrutiny of things that need scrutinized.


42 posted on 04/17/2014 5:20:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Spirochete; BuffaloJack
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.” - 4th Amendment.

The 4th protects "the people," NOT the government (Lois Lerner is the government).

We, the people have rights.

The government has powers.......powers given to them BY THE PEOPLE.

43 posted on 04/17/2014 5:21:16 AM PDT by Liz
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To: MrB

It is only actionable against peons like us.


44 posted on 04/17/2014 5:21:59 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: ArtDodger

“When will someone in a position to do something actually DO SOMETHING??”

Not only is there NOT anyone in a position that can do anything, but the drooling press keeps sweeping crap under the rug so that ordinary can know nothing about anything. Can you simply imagine the OUTRAGE from the press if this had happened under the Bush administration?


45 posted on 04/17/2014 5:22:13 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: TurboZamboni
That’s why the chick at EPA was using a fake name/account for her work email.

Exactly, and we have no idea how much info is exchanged via irsheadhoncho@yahoo.com, thebigcheeseatdoj@hotmail.com...etc.. What is needed is one confiscation of all the electronice devices one of these folks has and a little data mining to discover the whole underbelly of this crooked regime.
46 posted on 04/17/2014 5:22:42 AM PDT by ratzoe (damn, I miss Barbara Olson)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Richard Nixon didn’t have a melanin-based impeachment shield.

Because Obama identifies as “black”, he is for all practical purposes unaccountable.


47 posted on 04/17/2014 5:23:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Exactly. And who is/was Lois Lerner’s employer?


48 posted on 04/17/2014 5:23:40 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: All
Issa issued a statement. “These e-mails are part of an overwhelming body of evidence that political pressure from prominent Democrats led to the targeting of Americans for their political beliefs.”

ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO GO VIRAL One of the Articles of Impeachment drawn up against Richard Nixon was merely "threatening" to use the Internal Revenue Service to selectively audit political opponents.

OBAMA HAS WEAPONIZED THE IRS AGAINST POLITICAL OPPONENTS ordering multiple covert campaigns of intimidation, threats, and persecution of tea party/conservative organizations, and those daring to criticize Obama's agenda.

<><> Seven lock-stepping Democrats scared-***tless of losing their seats ask the IRS to “Investigate” political opponents,

<><> Rep Elijah Cummings led the Democrat pack in smearing True the Vote patriot Catherine Englebrecht....

<><> the FBI, ATF, the IRS, and OSHA were sicced on Catherine Englebrecht, as she valiantly tried to improve the US voting system.

<><> Obama said Tea Parties were a "threat to democracy."

<><> The IRS (a tax-funded L/E agency) takes its marching orders from Democrat;

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THE LIKELY SUSPECTS----DEMS STOOP TO CONQUEUR
order IRS to act to save their seats by Alexander Bolton, The Hill, 2/13/14

Senate Democrats facing tough elections this year want the IRS to play a more aggressive role in regulating outside groups expected to spend millions of dollars on their races. In the wake of the IRS targeting scandal, the Democrats are publicly prodding the agency instead of lobbying them directly.

Dems are also careful to say the IRS should treat conservative and liberal groups equally, but they’re concerned about an impending tidal wave of attack ads funded by GOP-allied organizations. Much of the funding for those groups is secret, in contrast to the donations lawmakers collect, which must be reported publicly.

One of the most powerful groups is Americans for Prosperity, funded by the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch. It has already spent close to $30 million on ads attacking Democrats this election cycle. “If they’re claiming the tax relief, the tax benefit to be a nonprofit for social relief or social justice, then that’s what they should be doing,” said Sen. Mark Begich (D), who faces a competitive race in Alaska. “If it’s to give them cover so they can do political activity, that’s abusing the tax code. And either side."

<><><><>Asked if the IRS should play a more active role policing political advocacy by groups that claim to be focused on social welfare, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) responded, “Absolutely. Both on the left and the right,” she said. “As taxpayers, we should not be providing a write-off to groups to do political activity, and that’s exactly what we’re doing.”

Shaheen called the glut of political spending by self-described social welfare groups that qualify under section 501(c) (4) of the tax code “outrageous.” Shaheen is in a good position now but could find herself embroiled in a tight campaign if former Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass) challenges her.<><><><>

Sen. Mark Pryor (Ark.), the most vulnerable Democratic incumbent, said the IRS has jurisdiction over 501(c)(4) groups, as well as charities, which fall under section 5/01(c)(3) of the tax code and sometimes engage in quasi-political activity.

“That whole 501(c)(3), 501(c)(4) [issue], those are IRS numbers. It is inherently an internal revenue matter,” he said. “There are two things you don’t want in political money, in the fundraising world and expenditure world. You don’t want secret money, and you don’t want unlimited money, and that’s what we have now.” --SNIP--

49 posted on 04/17/2014 5:23:58 AM PDT by Liz
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To: BuffaloJack

This is where your argument falls apart

“unreasonable”

There is nothing unreasonable about this investigation.


50 posted on 04/17/2014 5:25:06 AM PDT by DAC21
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