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The shocking secret behind ObamaCare enrollment numbers...(No shock to anyone here!)
FOX News ^ | 04/16/2014 | Michael Cannon

Posted on 04/18/2014 7:47:45 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

Barack Obama wants you to know he enrolled 7.5 million Americans through ObamaCare’s health insurance Exchanges. What he doesn’t want you to know is how. Federal courts may soon rule that President Obama induced the majority of those enrollees to enroll by offering them taxpayer dollars he has no legal authority to spend. If the courts put a stop to that unauthorized spending, a majority of Exchange enrollees would suddenly face the full cost of ObamaCare coverage, and enrollments would plummet.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; aca; obamacareenrollment; obamacarelies; obamalies; obummercare

1 posted on 04/18/2014 7:47:45 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
What he doesn’t want you to know is how.

We know very well how.
We're paying for it!

2 posted on 04/18/2014 7:51:02 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Regrettably, the court will almost certainly rule in favor of ObamaCare and its subsidies in spite of the wording and intention of the actual law.
We are not a nation of laws any more.


3 posted on 04/18/2014 7:54:05 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Laws for Obozo are just something to be used to punish enemies. He has no need to actually follow them himself.


4 posted on 04/18/2014 7:54:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Barack Obama wants you to know he enrolled 7.5 million Americans...

Really? HE enrolled them? Then he should take full responsibility for the fact that Michelle's college friend got the no-bid contract to take three and a half years to build a web site that still doesn't work. This egoistic clown could get lost in a tunnel.

5 posted on 04/18/2014 7:54:33 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Anybody have any idea when the court ruling on this will come out? No matter what the ruling is, I am sure it will be appealed to SCOTUS.


6 posted on 04/18/2014 7:54:56 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Speaking from the White House late Thursday afternoon, President Obama announced there are now 8 million people enrolled in Obamacare
7 posted on 04/18/2014 7:55:22 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

sounds like the Joker in the original Batman movie sayingregarding the tainted products he has introduced into the marketplace, the best thing is - you already bought them!


8 posted on 04/18/2014 7:56:46 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: Little Ray

I bet it will be a 5-4 decision.

I think we all know how wise Latina, the ACLU rep on the Supreme Court, etc. will vote.

It will all come down to Roberts and Kennedy, as to whether they think the federal government exceeded authority.

From what I understand, the actual text of the law refers to the states administering the law, and providing subsidies. The federal government is not to provide subsidies.

While the text of the law may be clear, I do think it’s likely that the Court will decide that the written text of the law doesn’t matter. I’m cynical enough to think that.


9 posted on 04/18/2014 8:05:19 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: grobdriver

Can I ask a stupid question?

Why are we supposed to be excited about 7.5 or 8 million sign ups, when we have been told that, before Obamacare, there were at least 40 million uninsured?

Even if, for sake of argument, we accept these numbers from the White House, aren’t there still tens of millions of uninsured who didn’t sign up????

Or, do Obama and his boys orchestrate things, and the media just don’t ask simple questions such as I just posed????


10 posted on 04/18/2014 8:08:32 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: grobdriver

What a load of crap...! FUBO!


11 posted on 04/18/2014 8:11:19 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It’a all smoke and mirrors and we the taxpayer get left holding the bag...


12 posted on 04/18/2014 8:12:15 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: epluribus_2

NSA is checking their taps on these judges, as we speak.


13 posted on 04/18/2014 8:13:49 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Don’t think it will be 5-4. I think both Roberts and Kennedy will both decide it was a “typo” despite the fact that it was put there deliberately.


14 posted on 04/18/2014 8:20:14 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

Yep, I bet you are right. They will decide it was a typo, or that references to the state really mean the federal government taking actions.

One frustrating aspect of Obamacare, is that many parts of it refer to regulations to be issued by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Meaning some big parts of the bill are a shell, to be filled in at the whim of bureaucrats.


15 posted on 04/18/2014 8:23:02 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Isn’t this fraud? If not BO, then the actual Offciial who approved the monies being spent. Court will take years to rule on a civil action. Charge people. Boehner & Co. should be impeached also for Treason.


16 posted on 04/18/2014 8:28:34 AM PDT by DrDude (Does anyone have a set of balls anymore?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I think we all know how wise Latina, the ACLU rep on the Supreme Court, etc. will vote.


With an incoherent rambling explanation for why.


17 posted on 04/18/2014 8:46:50 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: smokingfrog

60% of the people think he’s a liar. Guess that doesn’t bother him, but he continues just to dig deeper.


18 posted on 04/18/2014 8:52:49 AM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Little Ray

“We are not a nation of laws any more.”

Our system only works when those at the reigns believe in the moral importance of our basic principles. What percentage of those empowered in one way or another in our nation actually live by unassailable principle? I don’t know the answer, but what I see is moral relativism and an ‘ends justifies the means’ rationalization by a lot of self-convinced narcissists. I’m sure Stalin rationalized he was justified as well when he stayed up at night writing death orders. There is no limit to the evil that can happen when people’s egos are not modulated by a higher principle.


19 posted on 04/18/2014 8:55:57 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Agreed, this seems to be the 900lb gorilla in the room. I don’t get it either. Shouldn’t *everyone* have coverage? Wasn’t that the goal? They’ve totally moved the goalposts and nobody is calling them out on it.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 9:06:03 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Contemporaneous congressional intent is also clear in this case - the provision for federal subsidies was in the draft version, but removed to get the CBO cost under $1T.

That aside, historically with legislation that was highly contentious when passed, the Court generally applies a very literal reading of the text, as opposed to things that passed with broad majorities, where they tend to give more deference to “intent”. Of course, historically we also haven’t had a Court this blatantly politicized.


21 posted on 04/18/2014 9:15:36 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Can I ask a stupid question? Why are we supposed to be excited about 7.5 or 8 million sign ups, when we have been told that, before Obamacare, there were at least 40 million uninsured? Even if, for sake of argument, we accept these numbers from the White House, aren’t there still tens of millions of uninsured who didn’t sign up???? Or, do Obama and his boys orchestrate things, and the media just don’t ask simple questions such as I just posed????

Factor in the 5-6 million who lost insurance and the net gain in sign-ups is less than 10% of the long-term uninsured, despite the legal MANDATE to buy insurance. Oh, and a significant percentage didn't buy insurance at all but just enrolled in Medicaid. And they don't discount those who signed up but haven't (and won't) pay.

Even setting all that aside... as for the sign-up numbers themselves, I consider the fact that the folks who couldn't provide a useful metric for months somehow managed to hit their (not-a-target) target number ON THE NOSE on the very last day (which in itself was extended by 3.5 months)... um... "highly suspect", to say the least.

22 posted on 04/18/2014 9:20:59 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

It’ll probably go to SCOTUS, where Obastard’s actions will be ruled constitutional. Look at the contortions they had to go through to find the whole thing legal in the first place by declaring the penalties a “tax.”


23 posted on 04/18/2014 9:41:34 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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