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Russian Spy Planes in U.S. Skies
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Posted on 04/18/2014 8:54:24 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Russian Spy Planes in U.S. Skies By Eli Lake 12 hours ago The Daily Beast

The Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies have quietly pushed the White House in recent weeks to deny a new Russian surveillance plane the right to fly over U.S. territory. This week, the White House finally began consideration of the decision whether to certify the new Russian aircraft under the so-called “Open Skies Treaty.” And now the question becomes: Will the spies and generals get their way?

As the United States and Russia face off publicly over Ukraine, behind the scenes, Obama’s national security cabinet is having its own quiet feud over a long-standing agreement to allow Russian surveillance flights over U.S. air space.

The spies and the generals want to deny the Russians the overflight rights for its latest surveillance planes. The State Department, which ultimately makes that decision, has favored such certification. On Wednesday an interagency meeting of senior officials failed to reach consensus, delaying the decision until Obama takes it up with the National Security Council, according to U.S. officials involved in the dispute.

At issue is the Open Skies Treaty. First signed in 1992 and finally ratified in 2002, the treaty adopted by 34 nations allows the safe passage of planes equipped with advanced cameras and sensors that give governments the imagery and data they use to assess everything from compliance with arms control treaties to troop movements.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: espionage; nationalsecurity; obama; openborders; openskies; russia; spyplanes; treaty
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1 posted on 04/18/2014 8:54:24 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

This has been an ongoing issue and GOP leadership has been completely MIA.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 8:59:04 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90
GOP leadership

Talk about an oxymoron.

3 posted on 04/18/2014 8:59:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sub-Driver
First signed in 1992 and finally ratified in 2002

Judging by those dates, it looks like this is more stupidity from the Bush family.

4 posted on 04/18/2014 9:00:00 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ask only one thing: What decision will hurt America more?

The answer is the decision that Obama will take.

5 posted on 04/18/2014 9:01:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Sub-Driver
GOP leadership

?

6 posted on 04/18/2014 9:02:48 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Sub-Driver
I'm sure there's much more to this than we will ever be told.

IIRC, we had a joint venture with the military not too far back....in the US proper.

7 posted on 04/18/2014 9:03:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sub-Driver

Considering the treaty allows over flights of almost the entire former Soviet Union by United States surveillance aircraft, it makes me wonder what rationale is being pushed for breaking this treaty.


8 posted on 04/18/2014 9:06:44 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Sub-Driver

http://www.businessinsider.com/joint-us-russia-military-drills-2012-4


9 posted on 04/18/2014 9:07:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sub-Driver

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/17/russia-blocks-us-treaty-approved-spy-flights/


10 posted on 04/18/2014 9:09:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Major Matt Mason

Yep.


11 posted on 04/18/2014 9:09:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mac_truck

see my post at 10


12 posted on 04/18/2014 9:10:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sub-Driver

Its all part of 0’s “flexibility”.


13 posted on 04/18/2014 9:11:11 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: Lazamataz

Scary is that back then protection of the “environment” was seen as an eventual extension of the treaty.

“Envisaging the possible extension of the Open Skies regime into additional fields, such as the protection of the environment,”
http://dtirp.dtra.mil/TIC/treatyinfo/os_text.htm#preamble

Good Lord. . .


14 posted on 04/18/2014 9:11:16 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Sub-Driver

This administration is determined to provoke a war.


15 posted on 04/18/2014 9:18:47 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: dfwgator

“GOP leadership
Talk about an oxymoron.”

“When someone says to you, “Lead, follow or get out of the way”, you’re not supposed to get out of the way. It’s supposed to make you lead!”
Sgt. to Private Not Sure, `Idiocracy’

In Private GOP’s defense, he’s perfectly willing to follow, on Obama’s flexibility, taxing, spending, amnesty, “reasonable” gun control, etc.


16 posted on 04/18/2014 9:21:26 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Sub-Driver
I remember these things.

Seems like they would fly down the west coast.

17 posted on 04/18/2014 9:23:25 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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To: Sub-Driver

They’re afraid one of their drones that’s spying on the government will crash into one of our government’s drones that’s spying on the citizens.


18 posted on 04/18/2014 9:30:15 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Major Matt Mason

Yes...HW Bush in 1992, and then ratified by the Senate in 2002.

How absolutely insane and crazy can we be?

We have the ability to conduct such surveillance to other potential adversary nations without a treaty...and then turn around and give them the right to do the same thing...something they could otherwise not do, by treaty?

A strategic advantage simply given away whole cloth.

We have long had leadeship in this country who are abetting with and in bed with our adversaries.

But, IMHO, none worse than, or more blatant about it, than the current occupant of the White House.


19 posted on 04/18/2014 9:34:55 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Major Matt Mason

..... and their globalist NWO dreams.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 9:38:42 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Jeff Head

And he used to head the CIA ? pathetic.


21 posted on 04/18/2014 9:40:15 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”)
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To: Major Matt Mason

Like illegal invasion, spying is also an act of love.


22 posted on 04/18/2014 9:40:29 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (The greatest trick the Soviets ever pulled was convincing the world they didn't exist.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Inconceivable that this is even a question. I can’t believe that we have lost our nation so quickly and easily and that the voices of millions of true patriots have not sufficed to save this republic.


23 posted on 04/18/2014 9:41:02 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Major Matt Mason

Agenda21 suicide. Gambling like whores our bodies to terrorists. The Bush have learned well from their feminine sides.


24 posted on 04/18/2014 9:42:10 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Whore of Babylon gambling away her rights and sovereignty in exchange for “relationships”, bribes, what not.

Diversity motivates submission. PC is a catastrophy of communist envy ultimately.


25 posted on 04/18/2014 9:44:00 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Major Matt Mason

And the GOPe want to foist us with ANOTHER Bush president.


26 posted on 04/18/2014 9:50:05 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Jeff Head
This goes way back to Eisenhower.

It was revived in the Bush years.

The Pres signed it on March 24, 1992 and the Senate approved it on Aug 6, 1993. The Dems were in control at the time.

27 posted on 04/18/2014 9:54:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: lodi90

The treasonous GOP is just too busy IGNORING
Obama selling arms to al Qaeda, and
too busy leaving the borders wide open,
and too busy covering up previous weapon transfers
to al Qaeda — including 20,000 MANPADs in Benghazi.

The GOP stands for: GAVE . OBAMA . POWER .


28 posted on 04/18/2014 9:55:29 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: All

http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/os/news/ost-96.htm


29 posted on 04/18/2014 9:58:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks Sub-Driver, here's the backstory:
Flying Blind, Russia Blocks U.S. from Treaty-Approved Spy Flights

30 posted on 04/18/2014 9:58:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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GOP Leadership?

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Leading from behind... maybe.

Think Jimmy Carter late 1970s. That’s the GOP “Leadership” model for today.

Never have I been more afraid for the future of our nation.

Not only do we have a loathing traitor at the helm, there is hardly a single person in a potential leadership position that displays the broad knowledge base and necessary leadership skills to even begin to oppose him.

Yes, they may get it partially. In an overall comprehensive fashion, we have a big fat goose-egg on our side.

This nation is in a serious world of hurt right now.

It’s on the brink folks.


31 posted on 04/18/2014 10:12:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Jeff Head

Agreed...

You may want to read my reaction to this just above.


32 posted on 04/18/2014 10:12:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This fool allowing our enemy to fly over our nation. What a fool. America is going to fall. Our enemies have been in our country for years now. And now we allow them too fly over all our land and figure out where our military is located and where all our facilities are to destroy them with nukes. What a fool. I’d call him a fool to his face. He is a fool.


33 posted on 04/18/2014 10:19:14 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: McGruff
That looks like a Tupolev Tu-95 "Bear" bomber.

It has four turboprop engines driving two contra-rotating propellers each. There was one on Ebay last month, discussed on Hacker News.

34 posted on 04/18/2014 10:25:41 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Sub-Driver

I remember reading about this as a kid and feeling totally creeped out that the “Russians” could just fly over the U.S. like that.

Seriously, Bush?


35 posted on 04/18/2014 10:25:57 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Sub-Driver
The state dept has too many new-bees without experience in foreign affairs...so too much time being spent holding their hands while they figure out what's what.

This is why we are loosing in the diplomacy arena.....many of the ambassadors were given positions for bundling money for Obamas election...they have no experience in foreign affairs let alone government. If I recall 14 -16 of our Ambassadors are without experience...so when they are matched against Career Diplomat's you can imagine how they perform... Bozo doesn't have the manpower to play against the Seasoned Diplomats out there.....even Hillary failed miserably on the Int'l scene.

36 posted on 04/18/2014 11:07:14 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sub-Driver
The state dept has too many new-bees without experience in foreign affairs...so too much time being spent holding their hands while they figure out what's what.

This is why we are loosing in the diplomacy arena.....many of the ambassadors were given positions for bundling money for Obamas election...they have no experience in foreign affairs let alone government. If I recall 14 -16 of our Ambassadors are without experience...so when they are matched against Career Diplomat's you can imagine how they perform... Bozo doesn't have the manpower to play against the Seasoned Diplomats out there.....even Hillary failed miserably on the Int'l scene.

37 posted on 04/18/2014 11:07:15 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sub-Driver
The state dept has too many new-bees without experience in foreign affairs...so too much time being spent holding their hands while they figure out what's what.

This is why we are loosing in the diplomacy arena.....many of the ambassadors were given positions for bundling money for Obamas election...they have no experience in foreign affairs let alone government. If I recall 14 -16 of our Ambassadors are without experience...so when they are matched against Career Diplomat's you can imagine how they perform... Bozo doesn't have the manpower to play against the Seasoned Diplomats out there.....even Hillary failed miserably on the Int'l scene.

38 posted on 04/18/2014 11:07:15 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sub-Driver

Why in the world would the Russians bother with spyplane flights over the U.S. when they can learn whatever they want to know in the NY Times?


39 posted on 04/18/2014 11:07:15 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: lodi90
GOP leadership has been completely MIA.

And has been on every issue since at least '08.

40 posted on 04/18/2014 11:08:52 AM PDT by bgill
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To: ottbmare

Exactly!....there simply is no resistance where it needs to be, nor any desire from our representatives to stick out their necks above the drowning levels in WAshington.


41 posted on 04/18/2014 11:09:15 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sacajaweau

A few months ago, Russians were “training” on the east coast while the Chinese were doing likewise in Hawaii. All we needed was for them to advance toward each other.


42 posted on 04/18/2014 11:10:48 AM PDT by bgill
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To: lodi90

Leadership?

That’s not the correct spelling of lemmings.


43 posted on 04/18/2014 11:10:54 AM PDT by WayneS (Help Control Politician Overpopulation - Spay or Neuter Your Senator or Congressman Today!)
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To: McGruff

They used to fly fairly close to Virginia Beach sometimes, too.

I think the Tomcat squadrons from Oceana enjoyed heading out to escort them away.


44 posted on 04/18/2014 11:13:45 AM PDT by WayneS (Help Control Politician Overpopulation - Spay or Neuter Your Senator or Congressman Today!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, that settles it, then.

Obama and Kerry will DEFINITELY let them fly their new plane over our country now.


45 posted on 04/18/2014 11:15:24 AM PDT by WayneS (Help Control Politician Overpopulation - Spay or Neuter Your Senator or Congressman Today!)
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To: dfwgator

GOP leadership = gutless coward RINOs.


46 posted on 04/18/2014 11:20:41 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: bgill

I strongly believe that most of the GOP leadership is being blackmailed about one thing or another. Even in those rare cases in which a politician is as pure as the driven snow, he has children or a spouse through which he could be pressured. We all know about John Roberts. I’m just amazed that Trey Gowdy and Ted Cruz are still speaking out.

We are living under a dictatorship now. I just hope Jesus comes back before we go much further, but that’s not too realistic.


47 posted on 04/18/2014 12:09:08 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare

Ditto the dictatorship.


48 posted on 04/18/2014 12:48:27 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Sub-Driver

That could be dangerous for the spy planes with the frequent missile tests and all. They wouldn’t have any warning.


49 posted on 04/18/2014 12:53:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Any treaties allowing spy planes to fly over should be voided. They can’t see some of ours anyway.


50 posted on 04/18/2014 12:56:34 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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