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Western lawmakers gather in Utah to talk federal land takeover
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | April 18, 2014 | By Kristen Moulton

Posted on 04/19/2014 10:50:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

It’s time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utah’s Capitol on Friday.

More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds.

"It’s simply time," said Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who organized the Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands along with Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. "The urgency is now."

Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo, was flanked by a dozen participants, including her counterparts from Idaho and Montana, during a press conference after the daylong closed-door summit. U.S. Sen. Mike Lee addressed the group over lunch, Ivory said. New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington also were represented.

The summit was in the works before this month’s tense standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management over cattle grazing, Lockhart said.

"What’s happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem," Lockhart said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Oregon; US: Texas; US: Utah; US: Washington; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; federalland; harryreid; nevada; publicland; reid; statesrights; utah
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1 posted on 04/19/2014 10:50:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Why were the meetings behind closed doors ?


2 posted on 04/19/2014 10:52:25 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: All; FReepers; Patriots

Call to action: Man the phones, send the letters!


3 posted on 04/19/2014 10:52:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

How long before Harry calls them domestic terrorists?


4 posted on 04/19/2014 10:53:32 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Jim Robinson

And look for them to back down as soon as the FED tells them to shut up or lose many of their Federal funds.

All those years of states getting Federal funds has been like an addict getting his/her fixes. The states are too dependent on those funds.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 10:57:33 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: maine yankee

You seldom want to hold a strategy session in public. Kind of defeats the purpose.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 10:57:58 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: maine yankee

Wow. This is a good start.


7 posted on 04/19/2014 10:59:02 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is this just more talk and no action. I’ll wait and see.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 11:00:56 AM PDT by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is this the COWS group that spoke from the ranch or another group?
Coalition
Of
Western
States


9 posted on 04/19/2014 11:04:57 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Jim Robinson
I would like to see a restriction on the percentage of a state's land that the federal government can “own”, restrict, control, or tie up in any other way. This would include land controolled by all federal government entities - The National Forest Service, the BLM, USPS, the military, NSA, etc. i

Included would be ALL land for ALL federal uses and ALL land restricted to others by the feds, including military bases, federal buildings, training facilities, protected habitat, wetlands, national parks, etc.

National highways open for public use could be excluded.

Something like a maximum of 5% of total land area in each state would be a good place to start.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 11:10:31 AM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: Jim Robinson
We have located the enemies of freedom. Don't wait for orders from headquarters ride to the sound of the guns!
11 posted on 04/19/2014 11:10:52 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: maine yankee

Well, it is not exactly politically correct. An American Chechen war for oil ahead? Hmm.... bring it on Bambi


12 posted on 04/19/2014 11:12:36 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: maine yankee

I don’t know, but it’s coming out now and we can make a difference. This is a constitutional battle. Federalism. Self-rule. Local government. States rights.

All federally held public land was supposed to have been released by the feds when the states entered the union. It’s long past time to get the feds OUT! End the federal environmental fascist tyranny and terrorism against miners, loggers, ranchers, farmers, fisheries, drillers, manufacturers, processors, settlers, Indians, recreational users, and all other users of public lands within a state. The states and the people within the states have constitutional right to make all decisions regarding the use of public lands within their borders!

Federals need to butt OUT!! The BLM should be dissolved. Let the forest service and the park service manage legally established national parks and leave all public land to the states and the people per the Constitution,

Patriots: Defend the Constitution! Defend Liberty!


13 posted on 04/19/2014 11:12:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

50 western state lawmakers seek votes from conservatives.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 11:12:57 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: teletech

The feds are going bankrupt. Fiat money does not pay. Oil development without federal bambi red tape causing inflation will work better for state revenues.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 11:14:08 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: maine yankee

All you have to do is go to the link and read the ignorant comments and you will know in an instant why.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 11:23:26 AM PDT by wita
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To: TomGuy

“And look for them to back down as soon as the FED tells them to shut up or lose many of their Federal funds.”

Right - this will be the test; this will be where the rubber meets the road.

But my bet will be on the states not backing down.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 11:24:03 AM PDT by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Jim Robinson

These are the same pubic officials, for the most part, who sat on their hands while spotted owls and envirofreeks destroyed our timber industry. What they’re saying makes sense but they have a long way to go to establish some level of credibility. Part of establishing same credibility is to nail down ways to guarantee long-term security to people who want to harvest trees, for instance. I damm sure wouldn’t want to finance a lumber mill if I wasn’t sure I’d have logs for the next 20 years at least. In Oregon these lands are supposed to finance our schools but not a single school official or other elected doofus stood up against the tiedied crowd——they let the whole thing collapse. So they have a really big hill to climb.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 11:28:21 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Jim Robinson

If the carpet is yanked from under the feds and BLM, wouldn’t one of the happy consequences be to give the EPA a stiff middle finger, too? Most of us in the southern and southwestern states would love that as well...


19 posted on 04/19/2014 11:29:11 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

Absolutely. The EPA has no legal constitutional authority anyway. Shut it down! It’s pure fascist tyranny!


20 posted on 04/19/2014 11:32:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: maine yankee

“Why were the meetings behind closed doors ?”

low temperatures?
black flies?
fire codes?


21 posted on 04/19/2014 11:43:25 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: cherokee1

They need to get the support of we the people. We need to be up in arms (literally a la Bunkerville) against tyrannical fascism! It is our constitutional right to defend our states, our families, our property, our industries, ourselves and our posterity against tyranny imposed by the federal government. It’s written into the Declaration and the Constitution. The first and second amendments were not included for making movies or duck hunting. They were included so that we the people are guaranteed the God-given right (and power) to enforce the Constitution and defend all of our God-given unalienable rights, including, but not limited to, the rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 11:44:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Texan5
wouldn’t one of the happy consequences be to give the EPA a stiff middle finger, too?

No sorry. Their regs cover state, federal, county and even your personal property. Even the air we breath and the rain that falls from the heavens they believe they have the majesty to regulate.

23 posted on 04/19/2014 11:58:01 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Jim Robinson

Was Senator Reid there? He represents then people of Nevada so he would be intrested in the abuses of his constituents...


24 posted on 04/19/2014 12:06:41 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m a Capitalist/Libertarian all the way and view this problem through my personal top three priorities:

1. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights
2. The inherent rights of wildlife have to a habitable environment and the ability to forage and graze wherever they want to
3. Protection of the environment (but within the limits of the above priorities).

I just visited Montana and fell in love with the state, especially the grizzly bears! Grizzlies are actually very friendly, gentle creature in the wild and only turn aggressive when threatened. We should just stay out their way and ban hunting in that beautiful heaven on earth!


25 posted on 04/19/2014 12:11:12 PM PDT by fision
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To: fision

Welcome

good bye.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 12:12:38 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: fision

Teddy Roosevelt thought the same about the Kaibab deer.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 12:18:16 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: fision
Do you remember Knut ?

The poster Polar bear ?

 photo Knutt1_zps7b0bea08.jpeg

Well, he grew up.

 photo Knutt2_zps7e2fa13e.jpeg

28 posted on 04/19/2014 12:21:09 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: fision

I’m glad you think the Tortoise is worth saving. I do too. Note - the tortoise does BETTER in areas with cattle than without. (Cow manure, breaking up the soils, etc.)


29 posted on 04/19/2014 12:21:11 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Jim Robinson

Proposed Constitutional Amendment:

(1) The federal government may only own property rights in land for military institutions and government building for performing functions specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

(2) The square footage of any land used for buildings for performing functions specifically enumerated in the Constituion may be no more than nine times the square footage of such buildings and must be contiguous to the land on which such building resides.

(3) The District of Columbia is exempt from the foregoing provisions.

(4) All other property rights held by the federal government are hereby divested to the states.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 12:31:33 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Damn, is Americans finally waking up? This will probably die out and the movement may never get legs again. I just can't find faith that America will survive this communists assault.
31 posted on 04/19/2014 12:48:59 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Jim Robinson

Sagebrush rebellion part II: It’s a bout time!


32 posted on 04/19/2014 1:15:36 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: usurper

Well, I guess they will just have to go the way of their creator, Nixon-down in flames...


33 posted on 04/19/2014 1:16:38 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Jim Robinson

I like that-works just great for me and everyone else out here-farmers, ranchers and other small business people in the country are taught sensible resource conservation from birth-we don’t need no steenkin’ EPA...


34 posted on 04/19/2014 1:23:33 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: fision

35 posted on 04/19/2014 1:42:16 PM PDT by cutty
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To: cutty

Ahaa! Treadwell is a great example for leaving the wildlife to be wildlife unless you want to be a meal...


36 posted on 04/19/2014 2:18:54 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: cherokee1

Remember when Bill Clinton took made all that western land off limits for mining? The highest quality bituminous coal land? He was so proud of that. Obama seems to have finished off all the other types of coal mining. Aren’t they great?


37 posted on 04/19/2014 4:33:11 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: JSDude1

38 posted on 04/19/2014 4:38:44 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: TomGuy

Fine..then pass a state law that makes their citizens exempt from federal income tax withholding.


39 posted on 04/19/2014 4:41:40 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fision
"Grizzlies are actually very friendly, gentle creature in the wild and only turn aggressive when threatened. We should just stay out their way and ban hunting in that beautiful heaven on earth!"

"Yew ain't from here 'er ya?"
40 posted on 04/19/2014 5:10:17 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Zeneta

You must not have comprehended my post (It was carefully thought out and precise. You must give it careful though to fully understand it). When I described grizzlies, I stipulated only those “in the wild”. Captive animals in zoos and public parks are a completely different case.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 5:13:19 PM PDT by fision
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To: cutty

There are a few other interesting facts about grizzles. In Alaska, their diet is limited to fish, mostly salmon which are easy to catch. In the Continental US, they prefer fruits and vegetable, as well as fish. They are not predators, except on absentee fathers and their bastardized children. They do not eat this prey themselves, they leave that to wolves who co-exist in their habit.

In general, grizzlies bear no malice against other animals, including humans, except those who may have tried to injure them in the past - they are very intelligent and have excellent memories.

(Source: Montana FWP Grizzly and Wolves Habitat; Pocatello ID Zoo, and others)


42 posted on 04/19/2014 5:13:19 PM PDT by fision
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To: fision
Grizzlies are actually very friendly, gentle creature in the wild and only turn aggressive when threatened. We should just stay out their way and ban hunting in that beautiful heaven on earth!

Why, yes, they are. Look, for example at this one! He's just coming up for a little ear rub. No need to panic.

We could ban hunting in those parks, yes, but somebody is going to have to tell the bears.

43 posted on 04/19/2014 5:16:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Zeneta

LOL!!! I’ll second that one.


44 posted on 04/19/2014 5:19:55 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Jim Robinson
The lawmakers and governor said they were only asking the federal government to make good on promises made in the 1894 Enabling Act for Utah to become a state.

I don't doubt that states may be able to manage the land but I'm not sure what they mean. From Section 3 of the Enabling Act: "That the people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries thereof; and to all lands lying within said limits owned or held by any Indian or Indian tribes; and that until the title thereto shall have been extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the disposition of the United States, and said Indian lands shall remain under the absolute jurisdiction and control of the Congress of the United States..."

Utah Enabling Act

45 posted on 04/19/2014 5:40:53 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: piytar

So you would do away with all national parks?


46 posted on 04/19/2014 5:43:49 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

> So you would do away with all national parks?

Apparently recent events haven’t taught you much.

First, why does Fedzilla need to own so much land, more than 80% of the states of Utah and Nevada, for example.

Second, given the heavy-handed behavior of the Fedzilla JBTs, who would even want any of them in their state?


47 posted on 04/19/2014 5:55:14 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Billthedrill

Grizzlies are naturally curious, very intelligent, and just like a child and the grizzly in the video, keep testing the limits looking for the weak points. This particular bear is frightened by the stick and by the shouts to get away. I don’t know whether the guy taunting the bear lived or died - it could have gone either way.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 6:42:58 PM PDT by fision
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To: DoodleDawg

Yes.


49 posted on 04/19/2014 6:59:34 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: fision

Remember your little brass dinner bells ... so that predators that eat meat like bears, wolves, and lions can find you easier.

http://www.parkcountysheriff.net/news_33_978950629.pdf


50 posted on 04/19/2014 8:42:31 PM PDT by cutty
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