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Why climate deniers are winning: The twisted psychology that overwhelms scientific consensus
Salon ^ | April 19, 2014 | Paul Rosenberg

Posted on 04/19/2014 2:12:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Point in case: Alex (dim)Witt at MSNBC was interviewing a mountain specialist discussing the mishap at Mt Everest. And she honestly slipped in...”do you think we had anything to do with the miuntain’s stability?” I couldn’t believe she actually said that.


21 posted on 04/19/2014 2:40:34 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess I would have believed in the “consensus”, except for the fact that EVERYTHING they predicted did not occur. Just the opposite happened, so they went from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change”. Perhaps they are thinking I wouldn’t notice.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 2:44:02 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Climate denier”? Even for a piece of blatant agitprop that’s pretty stupid. “Sure, I deny there’s a climate!” said no one ever.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 2:47:11 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You either accept that they are on to something or… You think they all conspire to create a hoax for some nefarious reason.

Hmmmm... well, let's see:

1. No debate is allowed and vigorously vilified with Gestapo tactics.

2. Inconvenient pertinent data is ignored.

3. Empirical observations of change that goes against the narrative are dismissed and/or explained as irrelevant.

4. Scientific method is bastardized, ignored or criminally altered to achieve preconceived outcome.

5. All solutions are tax based, economy destroying, wealth redistribution.

6. Natural geological events are ignored.

and on and on and on......
24 posted on 04/19/2014 2:48:41 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Lewandowsky" [herein after called The Loo] is a charlatan Psychologist who doesn't know squat about Science, proper Academic Ethical Procedures or Statistics.

The Loo is however a bombastic statist usurper of public moneys attempting to help other fanatics extremists carry Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming across the finish line.

25 posted on 04/19/2014 2:48:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The scientific evidence is clear and convincing. Global warming is a fraud and a hoax.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 2:50:50 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Lewandowsky’s uncertainty papers have taken the informal knowledge that uncertainty means more unkown risk, and reframed uncertainty as the subject for scientific study.

Uncertainty has long been a subject for much scientific scrutiny -- hasn't she heard of people like Bayes and Popper? As regards Lewandowski's work, see: http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/lewandowksy-oberauer-gignac-is-the-paper-bad-enough-to-make-history/

27 posted on 04/19/2014 2:50:58 PM PDT by expat2
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"Climate Change Hoax Deniers is soooooooo stupid!"
28 posted on 04/19/2014 2:51:35 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t deny that there is a climate.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 2:51:53 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So a non-scientist thinks consensus has anything to do with science, and that anyone who disagrees with him is a benighted moron.

Sorry, no sale, and I’ve forgotten more of the relevant science than this propagandist will ever know.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 2:52:35 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: InMemoriam

....such as the cherry-picking of weather stations to include. Many sources of data in cold parts of the earth (e.g., N Russia) have been dropped from the averaging, which is obviously a cheap and easy way 0f getting apparent warming.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 2:55:36 PM PDT by expat2
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Yes, sometimes the truth seems twisted from the obviously true fiction believed by the smartest people in the room.

Tomorrow, Christians celebrate Easter. This is a word that does not appear anywhere in the original language. In fact, it is a holy day that was devised (much like Kwanzaa) by a government in collusion with a powerful church. This new holiday served the interests of government to cement control over an empire, and it gave great power to the church that government gave authority to execute “heretics”.

The original Apostles did not observe it, but observed Passover on the 14th of Nisan.

There are a surprising number of Christians today who observe Passover on the 14th of Nisan and would never dream of observing Easter.

see:

Are You a Quartodeciman? Should You Be?
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2013/march-april/are-you-a-quartodeciman-should-you-be


32 posted on 04/19/2014 2:56:02 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Paul Rosenburg is apparently ignorant of why Recursive Fury was retracted. He writes:

“The result was a third paper, “Recursive Fury: Conspiracist ideation in the blogosphere in response to research on conspiracist ideation,” which was subsequently retracted by the publisher, following sharp attacks from climate contrarians — even though the publisher found nothing scientifically or ethically wrong with the paper. Britain’s notoriously lax libel law (changed just this year) was supposedly the reason.”

The actual reason it was retract from the editor-in-chief: http://www.frontiersin.org/blog/Rights_of_Human_Subjects_in_Scientific_Papers/830

If Paul Rosenburg wants to know why people don’t believe in Climate Change, he should look it a mirror. It isn’t uncertainty; it is lack of trust that guys like him will tell the truth.


33 posted on 04/19/2014 3:03:50 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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bfl


34 posted on 04/19/2014 3:13:01 PM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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I searched for the word “China” to no avail. Anyone who claims combustion of carbon is producing a global crisis - but who says nothing about the fact that the Chinese are stamping out new coal-fired electric power plants like cookies - is promoting a political, not a scientific, agenda.
They can get back to us when they have something of scientific interest to discuss.
In the meanwhile, Phttt!

35 posted on 04/19/2014 3:18:47 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Communists get a pass. See: Obama, Barack, Kerry, John and Fonda, Jane.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 3:20:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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The biggest problem the climate fear mongers have is that they present no coherent approach to a solution. I’m sorry but people are not going to agree to sacrifice their standard of living, especially if not one prominent proponent (I’m looking at you, Mr. Gore) is willing to move into a small house and take public transit.

The really strange part is that they could easily find common ground with almost all skeptics if they would just embrace the only technology that could realistically reverse CO2 production. I’m referring to nuclear, of course. Now before any Green weenies wet their pants, let me say for the record that boiling water fission is the stupidest technology ever, as it can (and has) led to meltdowns and produced copious amounts of rad waste that no one seems bright enough to figure out what to do with.

What they should really want to get behind is thorium molten salt and pebble bed reactors. These technologies were proven in the 1950’s, are lower maintenance, melt down proof, and can even be made to use today’s waste as fuel.

This is how people with half a brain can understand that the IPCC and all the other climate mongrels aren’t serious about reducing CO2, none of them are going all in for nuclear. The only logical conclusion is their sole motivation is to increase taxes on the middle class and raise the price on all the staples the poor need to survive, lining their pockets in the process.


37 posted on 04/19/2014 3:24:04 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He spews garbage. What a crock this article is!


38 posted on 04/19/2014 3:24:14 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: relictele
yup, consensus is NOT science...
39 posted on 04/19/2014 3:27:22 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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“It’s a simple fact that your typical scientist already knows intuitively: Uncertainty grows with risk, exposure and potential loss, especially with complex nonlinear systems, like the global climate system.”

Total nonsense. Intuitive knowledge fails the test of scientific proof or even of being supporting evidence. If the climate nazis want to get my attention, they will open up their studies and supporting evidence to examination. They will encourage meaningful peer review. Instead, they only scream for action now without dissent. Questions are subversive.


40 posted on 04/19/2014 3:30:32 PM PDT by JimSEA
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