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16-year-old California runaway survives flight to Hawaii in plane's wheel well
Fox News ^ | 4/21/2014

Posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:51 AM PDT by markomalley

A 16-year-old boy stowed away in the wheel well of a flight from California to Hawaii on Sunday, surviving the trip halfway across the Pacific Ocean unharmed despite frigid temperatures at 38,000 feet and a lack of oxygen, FBI and airline officials said.

FBI spokesman Tom Simon in Honolulu told The Associated Press on Sunday night that the boy was questioned by the FBI after being discovered on the tarmac at the Maui airport with no identification.

"Kid's lucky to be alive," Simon said.

Simon said security footage from the San Jose airport verified that the boy from Santa Clara, Calif., hopped a fence to get to Hawaiian Airlines Flight 45 on Sunday morning. The child had run away from his family after an argument, Simon said. Simon said when the flight landed in Maui, the boy hopped down from the wheel well and started wandering around the airport grounds.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: plane; somalia; stowaway

1 posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:51 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
"Kid's lucky to be alive," Simon said.

Doesn't sound like a fun game to me.

2 posted on 04/21/2014 2:53:48 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: markomalley
security footage from the San Jose airport verified that the boy from Santa Clara, Calif., hopped a fence to get to Hawaiian Airlines Flight 45 on Sunday morning.

TSA must have been preoccupied groping passengers and crowding around the see-through monitors.

3 posted on 04/21/2014 2:57:46 AM PDT by fso301
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To: markomalley
tough/stupid kid; in the land of loathing acne outbreak/cellphone-philes.

4 posted on 04/21/2014 2:58:18 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. Cattlegate..0'Caligula / 0'Reid? ;-)
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To: markomalley

“survives flight to Hawaii in plane’s wheel well”
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How is it possible, just considering the temperature at 36,000 ft.?


5 posted on 04/21/2014 3:02:48 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW

That’s crazy. He was passed out most of the way, apparently.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 3:04:54 AM PDT by grimalkin (We are a nation under God. If we ever forget this, we are a nation gone under. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: markomalley

Not to be believed.


7 posted on 04/21/2014 3:13:06 AM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: F15Eagle

I have to assume that there is some warm air exhausted through the wheel wells...maybe old cabin air?
The temp at 30,000 feet is 50 below zero. How long can one last at that temp?


9 posted on 04/21/2014 3:33:36 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: markomalley

I don’t know about this. There is no footage of the kid actually entering the wheel well prior to take off. 38000 feet and -50F for at least 4 hours with no thermal protection or supplemental O2? Could he survive for 20 minutes if he were blown out of an airlock in orbit?


10 posted on 04/21/2014 3:34:46 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: markomalley

That’s crazy, how the hell is he alive? 5 1/2 hours without O2? What is the percentage of O2 at 38k feet? It cant be that much!


12 posted on 04/21/2014 3:59:39 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: F15Eagle

Won’t be long and the gubmint will give somebody a grant to study how that could be possible. Of course, actual “hands-on”, personal experience would be a requirement. If you die trying you won’t have to pay the grant money back.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 4:01:43 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: markomalley

How did this kid survive? Look at this:

“The temperature gradually drops until you get to about 38,000 feet, where it’s about 75 degrees below zero Fahrenheit.”

http://www.komonews.com/weather/faq/4347501.html

So not only couldn’t he breathe, he was also frozen!


14 posted on 04/21/2014 4:02:03 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: AlexW

Air temp at 35,000 ft is -67F

“During World War II, most military flying was done in unpressurized aircraft at altitudes of between 20,000 and 25,000 feet. Most of the resulting anoxia deaths occurred in this altitude range.

Between 25,000 and 30,000 feet, collapse, unconsciousnes, and death quickly follow interruption of the oxygen supply.

Above 30,000 feet, unconsciousness and death strike rapidly and often without warning”

http://www.tpub.com/ase2/85.htm

“Process and Results
Two reported cases of high altitude flight by stow-aways are detailed (Havana, Cuba to Madrid) and from Bogota to Miami. The cruise altitudes of these flights were in the 35,000 foot region with stratospheric temperatures at the (-) 65F range. Despite the lack of pressurization, or personal O2 equipment, the presence of warm hydraulic lines in the wheel-well and the initially warm tires provided significant heat. The stable climb of the aircraft enabled hypoxia to lead to gradual unconsciousness. As the wheel-well environment slowly cooled, hypothermia accompanies the deep hypoxia, preserving nervous system viability. With descent, and warming, along with increasing atmospheric oxygen pressure, hypoxia and hypothermia slowly resolved. At the ramp, with individuals were found in a semi-conscious state, and, upon treatment, recovered. Approximately a dozen copycat attempts have been made in 1993 with fatalities.”

http://www.faa.gov/data_research/research/med_humanfacs/aeromedical/aircraftaccident/wheelwell/


15 posted on 04/21/2014 4:16:31 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: markomalley

Few yrs ago there was a stowaway from NC who fell out of the wheel well above Milton, MA, falling to his death

Dec 10 2010
http://www.metafilter.com/98398/Teen-stowaway-gets-through-airport-security-stows-away-in-wheel-well-ends-tragically

>>Authorities believe a 16 year old boy found dead last month on a Milton, MA street fell out of the wheel well of an aircraft. Last month, the suburb of Milton, MA, was horrified when the mutilated body of a teenager was found in the road. The body lacked identification, but was eventually found to be that of Delvonte Tisdale, age 16, from Charlotte, NC. The mystery of how he got there when he had been seen the night before in his bedroom seems to have been solved: authorities now believe he stowed away in the wheel well of an aircraft from Charlotte to Boston, and fell out as the airplane approached Logan airport.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 4:30:48 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: AlexW

At -50 one can survive indefinitely. If dressed properly, which is pretty unlikely for this kid. A bigger factor is the air pressure at that altitude, which is too low to support human life for long.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 4:53:19 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: markomalley

I don’t believe the story of him being in the wheel well and surviving. If anything he was in the baggage hold and they want to keep that under wraps.


18 posted on 04/21/2014 4:58:49 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: markomalley
The child had run away from his family after an argument, Simon said. Simon said when the flight landed in Maui,

WOW !!! what an intellectually vacant writer. Unbelievable

19 posted on 04/21/2014 5:02:17 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: markomalley

We need to give the TSA more money, better pensions and guns to solve problems like this... /sarc


20 posted on 04/21/2014 5:39:05 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: markomalley
From the NASA Standard Atmosphere model the atmospheric pressure at sea level is 760 mmHg with an oxygen concentration of 21%.

The partial pressure of oxygen would then be:
760 * 0.21 = 159 mmHg.

So the amount of the atmosphere, in pressure, that a person could use at sea level is 159 mmHg.

At 36,000 ft., the total atmospheric pressure is about 20% that of sea level, so the useful amount of oxygen, assuming the same 21% of the atmosphere is oxygen at that altitude is:
760 * 0.2 * 0.21 = 31.92 mmHg
or just 20% of that found at sea level.

So? What does that mean... That this kid is EXTREAMLY lucky on several fronts: Not to have frozen solid, not to have a blood embolism from the rapid pressure change (The bends), and not to have suffocated.

21 posted on 04/21/2014 6:10:26 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: markomalley

So security footage verified that he hopped a fence in San Jose and then he was wandering around on the tarmac in Maui airport.

Is there any other way he could have gotten on that flight because it is hard to believe that he could have survived in that wheel well.


22 posted on 04/21/2014 6:14:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: markomalley

No way this happened.


23 posted on 04/21/2014 6:17:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: markomalley

If somebody can stick himself into a wheel well, he can also stick a backpack bomb into the wheel well. Heads should roll over this.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 6:25:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: dfwgator
Apparently there is some residual heat in the wheel well of a plane that would keep the compartment from achieving the true outside temperature. It makes sense because you would think that the hydraulics (that lower the wheels during descent) would have issues functioning if they were allowed to get to -67 degrees. Maybe there is some heat pumped in there to keep that from happening. If that is the case, then likely enough oxygen and air pressure was involved as well to keep this boy alive - though he did pass out from what I understand.

There are other cases of stowaways in wheel wells. It appears that the greatest danger is either being crushed to death as the wheels retract after take off or falling out of the wheel well during landing as the wheels are deployed when the plane is still several thousand feet in the air. If you are passed out during that time, it is likely you would fall into the ocean and never be found - so this might happen more often then you realize.

I can see why the airline industry would not want to publicize the fact that you could theoretically survive this as they do not want to encourage future stowaways.

25 posted on 04/21/2014 6:32:29 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

The heat isn’t the issue, it’s the lack of oxygen.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 6:34:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Well I assume that once the wheels are retracted, the wheel compartment is sealed. Thus, there could be enough oxygen (and residual heat) to keep somebody alive for a few hours. There is no other reasonable explanation.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 6:38:59 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
I don’t believe the story of him being in the wheel well and surviving. If anything he was in the baggage hold and they want to keep that under wraps.

I agree this is the most likely explanation, especially the part about the authorities suppressing the true story.

28 posted on 04/21/2014 8:26:54 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: markomalley

Rosie Ruiz.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 9:20:57 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SamAdams76

An elaborate hoax? I have trouble believing this kid did this as he said.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 9:23:13 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SamAdams76
I can see why the airline industry would not want to publicize the fact that you could theoretically survive this as they do not want to encourage future stowaways.

Also, airlines would start selling them as economy seats.

31 posted on 04/21/2014 9:26:04 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: markomalley
I was once in California. Later I was in another state.

The only explanation must be that I rode in an airplane wheel well.

32 posted on 04/21/2014 9:28:09 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Moonman62

Looks cozy, but where does the folding tray table come out?

33 posted on 04/21/2014 9:32:14 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: markomalley

Unbelievable, indeed. In addition to the effects or cold and hypoxia, wheel well stowaways are often turned into hamburger crunch by the wheel retraction mechanism...


34 posted on 04/21/2014 9:44:20 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Menehune56

You know they will insist that he was in the wheel well.


35 posted on 04/21/2014 1:30:12 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: markomalley

They see this in some stupid movie and try it themselves


36 posted on 04/21/2014 3:50:06 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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