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David Cameron accused of fostering division in 'Christian' UK
theguardian.com ^ | 21 April 2014 | Patrick Wintour

Posted on 04/21/2014 11:40:36 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

More than 50 prominent public figures including novelist, diplomats, Nobel prize winners and playwrights have accused David Cameron of fostering divisions in the UK by repeatedly referring to Britain as a Christian country.

Signatories to the letter asserting that Britain is not a Christian country include Philip Pullman, Ken Follett, Prof Alice Roberts, Prof Harold Kroto and Sir Terry Pratchett.

The authors say they respect Cameron's own religious beliefs but say they "object to his repeated mischaracterising of our country as a 'Christian country' and the negative consequences for our politics and society that this view engenders".

In a letter to the Daily Telegraph, they assert: "Apart from in the narrow constitutional sense that we continue to have an established church, we are not a 'Christian country'. Repeated surveys, polls, and studies show most of us as individuals are not Christian in our beliefs or our religious identities and at a social level, Britain has been shaped for the better by many pre-Christian, non-Christian, and post-Christian forces.

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TOPICS: United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: christian; christiancountry; christianpersecution; davidcameron; tories; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 04/21/2014 11:40:36 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

*shakes head*


2 posted on 04/21/2014 11:41:56 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Happy Easter: Message from David Cameron
3 posted on 04/21/2014 11:44:15 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It’s mostly the irreligious left that are perpetually offended by the views of others. They want, no demand to be flattered and told that they’re the center of the universe.


4 posted on 04/21/2014 11:47:17 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"Apart from in the narrow constitutional sense that we continue to have an established church,"

The narrow constitutional sense!

As an American Constitutional lawyer, one must stop & ponder that phrase. Surely the fact that writers & Professors have rushed down the rabbit hole in England, to embrace Alice & the Mad Hatter, is just one more sign of the times; a sign that goes at least part of the way to illustrate the insanity now destroying the West.

William Flax

5 posted on 04/21/2014 11:49:23 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Isn’t Great Britain’s national anthem God Save the Queen? It’s not Allah Save the Queen.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 11:51:19 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Telepathic Intruder

How can you be offended by a God that you do not believe even exists?


7 posted on 04/21/2014 11:55:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Britain is shaped better by post-Christian forces? Hmmm. It’s certainly more inclusive for non-British invaders. I’ll give them that. On the one hand, you have a non-religious (anti-religious?) socialist state that’s heading for 1984-style totalitarianism (it’s already a soft tyranny). On the other hand, you have Muslims who want an Islamic state. Let’s see how that works out...


8 posted on 04/21/2014 12:07:12 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Its fascinating our secular intellectuals in America use the exact opposite argument.

Though we are sociologically overwhelmingly Christian, we have no specification of a Christian established church so we are not Christian.

There is an anti-Christian intellectual establishment that will do anything to deny the faith.


9 posted on 04/21/2014 12:08:52 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Unfortunately, we let the Left here win that argument even though there is U.S. Supreme Court precedent declaring that the U.S. is a Christian country.


10 posted on 04/21/2014 12:15:15 PM PDT by kaehurowing (FIGHT BULLYING, UNINSTALL FIREFOX)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"How can you be offended by a God that you do not believe even exists?"

That's the most inconsistent but also the most common trait you see in the typical atheist. One which they won't acknowledge if you point it out to them. They're negatively obsessed with something they claim doesn't exist, and desperately want to stamp out any mention of it. I think they're trying to convince themselves of something more than they are anyone else.
11 posted on 04/21/2014 12:26:37 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So everything from the Venerable Bede to WWII is irrelevant to Britain’s development?

These “cultural leaders” talk like idiots.


12 posted on 04/21/2014 12:28:36 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Exactly. Atheists want an eternity without consequences.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 12:28:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Let the Mohammedans sort ‘em out. We have bigger fish to fry.


14 posted on 04/21/2014 12:35:33 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: cardinal4

Idiots do not understand their history!!!!


15 posted on 04/21/2014 12:36:40 PM PDT by Gumdrop (Q)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"... they "object to his repeated mischaracterising of our country as a 'Christian country' ..."

Yeah, well I can probably cut the atheist cult members some slack on this one. Cameron probably should have said that 'he wished Great Britain was still a Christian country'.

The days when Queen Victoria said, "That book [the Bible] accounts for the supremacy of England" are sadly long past.

Unfortunately America's Academia, Politicians, and Media termites are rushing headlong to slouch our Nation towards Gomorrah, and we aren't too far behind the Brits.

16 posted on 04/21/2014 12:42:14 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You’re absolutely right. Atheists are very insecure people and so are Muslimes. I don’t hear anyone else complaining regardless of their own beliefs.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 12:47:02 PM PDT by doc maverick
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Maybe they ought to take a gander at their flag...

The flag bears the crosses of St. Patrick, St. Andrew and St. George. "For England, and St. George" was their battle cry and their motto is: "Dieu et mon droit" which is French for "God and my right (hand)".

18 posted on 04/21/2014 12:47:23 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Why did ‘Christian’, David Cameron push for “gay marriage”?


19 posted on 04/21/2014 1:06:14 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Sometimes fostering some division is the right thing to do.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 6:42:09 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Meanwhile, David Cameron has just set the police on the Bishop of Oxford for protesting his government’s policies.


21 posted on 04/22/2014 3:33:05 AM PDT by TheCorinthian
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To: Ohioan

They say “the narrow constitutional sense” because that’s what they mean. There is an established church, and that is part of the current constitutional settlement, but that settlement doesn’t define the character of the nation. Britons don’t worship their constitution in the way that Americans do.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 3:06:41 AM PDT by TheCorinthian
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To: TheCorinthian
Americans worship the Almighty--the Creator. As honorable people--those who still are--we recognize that the Constitution defines what is legal in our Federal Government. When the Government goes beyond its legal authority, it governs only by intimidation, fear, bribery etc., and deserves the contempt of all honorable & decent people.

Do not confuse worship with honor & law, although all of these help define what is virtuous.

A common history, common descent & a culture which reflects such, with commonality of purpose, are among the principal things that define a nation. Contemporary Britain has confused all sorts of issues, and is making a bit of a mockery of her heritage.

William Flax

23 posted on 04/23/2014 7:58:25 AM PDT by Ohioan
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