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To: Rashputin

I remember an uprising in the Ukraine over the winter. Is the government in charge there today pro-EU/West or pro-Russia?


67 posted on 04/23/2014 8:35:55 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2
The nominal government now in Kiev is made up of the people from the protests in Kiev.

I say nominal government because they call themselves the government and have been recognized as such by the EU and US in spite of the fact that they have very little authority outside of Kiev.

They claim to be legitimate because the Parliament (the same Parliament they had surrounded with a Molotov throwing mob) voted to make them the interim government. Now they need a reason to not let Eastern Ukraine vote, not count the votes from the Eastern Ukraine, or to "delay" the elections, in order to stay in power.

If you dig around enough you'll find that Kiev doesn't even have much control over the police and military in Western Ukraine in spite of the fact that the media propagandists are fixated on Eastern Ukraine. Kiev claims to be in charge but Police and Military in the Ukraine, East and West, mostly ignore the "government" in Kiev when they're not actively siding against them.

The Ukraine has sort of an Army, that sort of has a chain of command, that the current people in charge can sort of control as long as the payroll arrives on time. Kiev is careful not to give Army units enough fuel to leave their bases, though, because when they do even regular paychecks aren't enough to keep them from defecting to the anti-coup side. It's a very dangerous state of affairs for people who took over in a coup. That's why they're begging for troops from another country to intervene. They need a foreign military to keep them in power, it's about that simple. If shouting Russian Wolves !!! doesn't work, they'll have to use what police and armed supporters they can muster in Kiev to "crackdown" on their Right Sector pals and beg for foreign troops to protect them from radical Ukrainian Nationalists instead of Russians.

Someone will spill the beans soon enough and maybe people in the US will realize this is "Ukraine Spring" courtesy of and sponsored by the same US/EU agitator corps that tried to hand Egypt to the MB and successfully handed Libya to Jihadists. I figure when the threats to bomb Eastern Ukraine start that's when the Brits or Germans, maybe even the French, will break ranks. I also think a tidbit or two that Snowden has passed along is going to eventually be published and when it is, it's going to show that people in the EU, the US, and Ukraine, have been working to generate Civil Unrest or Civil War in the Ukraine for quite a while.

Blaming Putin for taking advantage of the unrest is a little stupid, really. The billions that the US and EU pour into intelligence aren't all wasted. Someone has to have pointed out that Putin would take advantage of a deepening mess in the Ukraine. Not that the uber smart people in charge would listen to the Intelligence guys, just that there's no way the EU and US were as shocked at how Putin has behaved as they pretend to be. He is what he is an he made it clear he was willing to go to the mat to keep the Crimea secure and the Ukraine at least neutral if not under his thumb. The more than generous deal he gave the Ukraine made that much clear to anyone not deliberately hiding from reality.

Too bad no one on the EU/US side was clever enough to just beat his offer and wait on the scheduled elections. Then none of this would have happened and the only difference would be who the EU/US has to payoff to keep the Ukraine slogging along as a mess the way it has for the past twenty or so years.

73 posted on 04/23/2014 1:02:12 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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