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Ukraine crisis: What the 'Russian soldier' photos say
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Posted on 04/23/2014 3:30:35 AM PDT by kronos77

Do they prove anything? What comes across from the photos is that at least one unit of heavily armed, well-equipped, pro-Russian paramilitaries has been operating in the Donetsk region.

But it cannot be said for sure that they are actual Russian special forces, as the Ukrainians argue. At the same time, the idea that they might be a local militia from Donetsk is belied by their apparent military professionalism.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said last week there were "no Russian units, special services or instructors in the east of Ukraine" but such denials of military involvement ring hollow for many after Russia's covert actions in Crimea, especially after he subsequently admitted troops had operated there.

Without using photos, Gen Philip Breedlove, Nato's commander in Europe, argued convincingly last week that they must be "Russian forces".

That said, theoretically, the paramilitaries in the photos could be ex-servicemen from Russia or elsewhere. Military veterans of the Soviet war in Afghanistan have been active on both the nationalist side in Ukraine and in patriotic groups in Russia.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ibtz; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; war

1 posted on 04/23/2014 3:30:35 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

“endorsed by the Obama administration”???


2 posted on 04/23/2014 3:34:56 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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Remember that a lot of ethnic Russian soldiers in the Ukrainian army have defected so the "idea" that they have military manners and are from Russia proper is pure propaganda.

Just like this "pretend president of Ukraine" and his cohorts instigated the coup, so to, they continue to cry wolf...and the US keeps giving them bandaids in the form of CASH. Suckers we are.

3 posted on 04/23/2014 4:02:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Ooops. Thought these were BLM, at first. Sorry.

And, no. The photos don't "prove" anything. Could be a Russian special op, but most look like weekend nazis playing dress-up. It's an insult to American bikers to call them 'bikers,' but...

4 posted on 04/23/2014 4:10:59 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: kronos77

We’ve got mercernaries (whatever they call Blackwater now) in the Ukraine; I’m sure the Russkies do too. The question is whether they are working for Moscow or Donestk. Donestk won’t be able to pay them much, but they could be doing it for the patriotism.


5 posted on 04/23/2014 4:27:34 AM PDT by dangus
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I would not be surprised at all if Russia wasn’t covertly supplying self-defense forces in eastern Ukraine. There are a lot of Ukrainian military units that have joined the separatist side. What is clear is the local uprisings have reached the point now where putting them down by force risks massive loss of life.

The Maidan regime in Kiev along with its Western backers are completely out of touch with reality. And they have been since February. And threatening Russia with more sanctions won’t change at all the fact that Ukraine is on the verge of breaking up.


6 posted on 04/23/2014 4:27:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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According to a New York Times article, the photos and their descriptions were "endorsed by the Obama administration". Distributing the images, the US state department said they confirmed the "connection between Russia and some of the armed militants in eastern Ukraine".

Obama endorsed, state dept. confirmed? It must be true then, as they have as much credibility as Baghdad Bob.

Barack Ozero credibility.

7 posted on 04/23/2014 4:31:33 AM PDT by PGalt
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If it:
Looks like a duck...
Quacks like a duck....
Swims like a duck............


8 posted on 04/23/2014 4:33:06 AM PDT by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, sharia is POISON.)
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I saw one of the older bearded guys and said to myself “Hey that’s my brother”. But then I thought he’d be out fishing rather than get involved in that mess.


9 posted on 04/23/2014 4:34:39 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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To: PGalt
But what about the children.


10 posted on 04/23/2014 4:36:41 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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Lol...why don’t they send Joe Biden over to Donetsk to find out?


11 posted on 04/23/2014 5:33:30 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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