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Rand Casts a Paul Over Life Debate
Patriot Post ^ | 04/25/2014 | Tony Perkins

Posted on 04/25/2014 11:48:21 AM PDT by GIdget2004

Republicans are still months away from kicking off the presidential race – and that's a good thing for front-runners like Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who could use the extra time to hone their messaging. In four years, the Kentucky leader has won over plenty of fans for his solid record on a whole range of issues, including life. But today, it isn't his record that's concerning people – it's his rhetoric.

Wednesday, in a sit-down with former Obama insider David Axelrod, Sen. Paul surprised a lot of conservatives with his nonchalant attitude on abortion and his role in ending it. As president, Axelrod wanted to know, how hard would his White House push to overturn Roe v. Wade? The Senator's answer: not much. With the country so evenly divided on the issue, he thinks an incremental approach is best. “I think the debate is about when life begins,” said the lead sponsor of the Senate's Life at Conception Act. “Is it okay for an eight-pound baby to be aborted one week before delivery?”

Asked what his personal opinion on life at conception is, Sen. Paul said, “My personal religious belief is that life begins at the very beginning.” But, he explained, America is evenly divided between “all life and no abortion, or all abortion and no life… I think the law will come down in between.” Later, he said, “The country is in the middle, [and] we're not changing any of the laws until the country is persuaded otherwise.”

Maybe it was inarticulate, or maybe these are the Senator's real feelings, but that last comment certainly set off alarm bells for social conservatives.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; libertarian; libtardian; randpaul

1 posted on 04/25/2014 11:48:21 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: GIdget2004

NO WAY does Rand Paul have enough passion to protect innocent unborn babies.

Jimmy Carter was “personally opposed BUT,” TOO.


2 posted on 04/25/2014 12:05:21 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

In the same interview he said Republicans have overstated the voter fraud, it isn’t a problem according to Runt Paul.

He is a full blown moron!


3 posted on 04/25/2014 12:10:07 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: GIdget2004
The right answer after expressing his personal beliefs against abortion should be that abortion is not a federal issue but a states issue. He knows that because he seems to have a pretty good grasp and allegiance to the Constitution.

Reagan was asked the same thing and as far as I know, basically answered the same way.

Those of us with half a brain need step back and see that abortion would not even be an issue if the federal government had not interfered with abortion which is outside their constitutional power to do so. At this juncture, it looks like states should begin nullifying federal abortion laws until the feds are cut down to size and retreat into their constitutional cage.

In the meantime, Rand, who is one of the most outspoken proponents of small government, will be cornered by issues which, if the unconstitutional portion of government were substantially cut, would be much less problematic. Rand Paul himself, just like Reagan, couldn't really do anything about abortion except use the bully pulpit to influence change. But Reagan was not very successful with that.

The source of our social, political, and economic ills is the $4 TRILLION government. Cutting it is the fist essential step in solving these other issues. In the meantime, let the states nullify the feds forced allowance of this infanticide disaster.

The MSM and others will do anything to pull the focus off of THE #1 political problem: the $4 trillion government. I agree that Rand needs to be very well prepared for these efforts.

4 posted on 04/25/2014 12:11:34 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

I agree....hope you have your flame resistant clothes on


5 posted on 04/25/2014 12:15:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I know. At this point, I think I’m so charred that it doesn’t affect me anymore. Thanks for the encouragement.


6 posted on 04/25/2014 12:17:38 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew; Nifster

Reagan was a deeply passionate and effective pro-lifer, his influence still resonates among the pro-life movement and some wasn’t reversed until 1996 under Clinton. Rand Paul clearly isn’t very pro-life and is starting to seem almost Romney/rino like on the issue.

Rand Paul isn’t just revealing weakness on abortion, he has also come out in support of big government by calling for an end to opposition to the left/libertarians on gay marriage and social issues.

Paul is running to head the federal government which controls gay marriage in the military, federal employment, and immigration, and federal policy on abortion, in regards to federal hospitals and foreign policy.


7 posted on 04/25/2014 12:22:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Based on Reagan’s record and his avoidance of the Roe v. Wade issuer during the campaign, you would have never even voted for him in the primaries.

I love Reagan and his presidency. I know what our primary issue must be. You see it differently. So be it. I am for Ted Cruz but Rand Paul has not said anything at this point to drive me away from supporting him if he is the nominee


8 posted on 04/25/2014 12:34:46 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Beagle8U

“In the same interview he said Republicans have overstated the voter fraud, ..”

Yikes, has he been sleeping? Rand sure is naive, or else he’s a closet Dem.

Here’s another leftist Dem position he has:

“Rand Paul: Iran Wants Nukes Because It “Feels Threatened”

snip http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/02/16/rand-paul-iran-wants-nukes-because-it-feels-threatened/

We’ve got to get the word out about Rand Paul. He is NOT what too many people THINK he is.


9 posted on 04/25/2014 12:40:36 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Nifster

That is a stupid thing to say, how can you say something so silly about reality, as though the 1980 election hasn’t happened yet?

That reality has already happened, Reagan had that campaign, and I supported him, largely because of his conviction for life.

Another silly thing you are trying, is trying to switch the thread over to “the” primary issue, rather than this conversation of how Rand keeps moving left on issue after issue, on this thread it is abortion.

We keep learning how Romney like Rand is, as he continues floundering and contradicting himself on issues that he shouldn’t be so confused about what his beliefs are, with the over all drift being that he is revealing his inner liberalism on issue after issue.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 12:50:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Sun

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/23/rand-paul-gop-might-be-over-selling-voter-fraud/


11 posted on 04/25/2014 12:51:59 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: ansel12

I remember the 1980 campaign and there were PLENTY of people not willing to turn out for Reagan because he wouldn’t make statements to their liking.

People didn’t vote for him in the primaries because he was divorced, too old, not pro life enough, stupid, a B grade actor.....any of dozens of idiotic reasons. It was nip and tuck for awhile.

Don’t go off on me as if I am some pariah. IF we do not come together on a good conservative candidate then all of those elites you fear so much will ram another doofus onto the ticket. I have already said my guy is Ted

If you think Rand is some how the same as Hilary or any other dimorat then you are confused. He is a libertarian at heart and he is being very consistent.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 12:58:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
Don’t go off on me as if I am some pariah.

Don't tell me something this stupid, ""Based on Reagan’s record and his avoidance of the Roe v. Wade issuer during the campaign, you would have never even voted for him in the primaries.""

It is stupid on so many levels. What kind of person would post that to such a huge Reagan fan as I, who has actually already lived through that primary and know who I supported.

I also don't recall Reagan having such a tough time in the primary, the first column is Reagan's.

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13 posted on 04/25/2014 1:12:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: GIdget2004

I’m a little disconcerted that Rand Paul has been bouncing all over the place lately but in all honesty the President of the United States is not able to overturn Roe v Wade. Paul says he is personally pro-life. I believe him.

To be fair I have not heard Ted Cruz ranting about overturning Roe v Wade either.


14 posted on 04/25/2014 1:15:03 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I haven’t noticed Ted Cruz weakening on abortion as this thread points out, Rand Paul is doing, have you?

This also fits in with Paul’s moving left on all social issues, including gay marriage.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 1:20:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“I haven’t noticed Ted Cruz weakening on abortion”

I didn’t say he was. I said I have not heard him ranting as in rabidly advocating for the the overturn of Roe v Wade in any recent interviews.

Why hold Rand Paul to a higher standard than Ted Cruz?

Rand Paul says he is pro life and opposes abortion. I believe that is what Ted Cruz also believes.

If you can link me to a video showing Ted Cruz promising to work tirelessly to overturn Roe v Wade I will take back the first part of this post.


16 posted on 04/25/2014 1:43:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

What a strange way to drag in Cruz and protect Paul.

Rather than introduce a straw dog, why not deal with the issue at hand, there is no new news to discuss about Cruz and abortion, but there is this reporting of Paul’s weakening on his abortion position, just as he has done on other issues that libertarians are famous for opposing conservatives on.

“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”

Rand Paul on abortion: “We’re not changing any of the laws until the country is persuaded otherwise”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3147758/posts


17 posted on 04/25/2014 1:54:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Beagle8U

“He is a full blown moron!”

Actually just the opposite. He’s too intelligent for many morons to understand him.

He speaks the TRUTH. He is a tenth amendment guy. The abortion issue should be left up to the states.

He makes a valid point. Until “THE PEOPLE” decide on life issues, nothing is going to change. Rand Paul is a realist.
He is 100% pro life, the country isn’t. It is divided evenly on the abortion issue. If you remove exceptions, it drops to 20%.

Myself, the only exception I would support is for the LIFE of the mother. This is almost NEVER an issue. If one of them has to die, why let BOTH die?

Pregnancy due to rape or incest is no reason to MURDER a baby.

Just remember that we abhor and totally reject one person OWNING another human being.

Women do not OWN the baby in their womb. It is NOT part of HER body.


18 posted on 04/25/2014 2:07:46 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
Aside from abortion policy in military and federal hospitals.

Reagan describes his federal pro-life efforts here. “”Over the first two years of my Administration I have closely followed and assisted efforts in Congress to reverse the tide of abortion-efforts of Congressmen, Senators and citizens responding to an urgent moral crisis. Regrettably, I have also seen the massive efforts of those who, under the banner of “freedom of choice,” have so far blocked every effort to reverse nationwide abortion-on-demand.””

One resulting success is mentioned here.
“Moreover, Reagan’s putting the Mexico City Policy during his presidency to cut off taxpayer-funding of groups that promoted and performed abortions in other nations has saved literally millions of lives in the decades since.”

19 posted on 04/25/2014 2:13:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Beagle8U

Thanx for the link.


20 posted on 04/25/2014 2:40:25 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: GIdget2004
maybe it was inarticulate....

Then Rand Paul has been having a whole lot of "inarticulate" moments lately. He's OVER as a serious candidate for constitutional conservatives.

21 posted on 04/25/2014 2:46:47 PM PDT by grania
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To: GIdget2004

Career political dynasts, the Paul’s, sure seem to enjoy toying with the libertarian rubes.


22 posted on 04/25/2014 2:51:17 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: GIdget2004

What if the country were evenly divided on assisted suicide? You have got to make decisions according to your conscience and fight all out for them, win, lose, or draw. Cruz strikes me more of the type.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 2:52:38 PM PDT by inpajamas (http://outskirtspress.com/ONE)
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To: ansel12

Like I said show me the money er video. Otherwise I’m not buying the BS.

All the possible GOP candidates say they are pro life. I believe all of them. End of story.


24 posted on 04/25/2014 3:29:27 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Wow, it is worse than I thought, no wonder pro-lifers are shaken at his cavalier attitude about abortion it echoes his other statements on retreat from marriage and social issues, I guess you read post 19.

See if you hear this same thinking expressed in his video statements on abortion.
“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”

Now hear him on abortion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKVafMddTg


25 posted on 04/25/2014 3:59:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

All the possible GOP candidates say they are pro life. I believe all of them. End of story


26 posted on 04/25/2014 4:23:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Did you think that of Mitt Romney?


27 posted on 04/25/2014 4:24:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

I’m still waiting for you to provide evidence that Ted Cruz has been any more vocal about stopping abortion and overturning Roe v Wade than Rand Paul. Whats the holdup?


28 posted on 04/25/2014 4:30:35 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ansel12

breathe. cool your jets a bit. Most of the big wins came AFTER the initial battles in Iowa and the north east. Remember what it was like.

I didn’t say you didn’t vote for him but there were the nay sayers and the single issue voters who didn’t.

You have consistently ignored my statement that I am for Ted Cruz. And as much as it may bother you I prefer Rand Paul to ANY dimorat


29 posted on 04/25/2014 4:31:37 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You clearly want to keep going on about Cruz, do what you want, I will post on the thread topic, Paul and his shifting position on abortion.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 4:40:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Nifster

In every post you make up some irrelevant claim about something unrelated.

You just make up something out of thin air for every post, from Reagan to it bothering me about you preferring a republican over a democrat.

Rather than making up posts for us, why not just respond to what we actually are posting.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 4:44:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

So what you are saying is that you really cannot provide any evidence that Cruz or any other possible candidate for the GOP nomination is any more adamant about overturning Roe v Wade than Rand Paul. Right? :-)


32 posted on 04/25/2014 4:45:17 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Paul campaigned for Romney, and like Romney,
Rand Paul wants to change the GOP party platform and move it to the left, this gay marriage, social issues, and now, abortion, seems to tell us that he is not what we were led to believe that he was, when he was running for the Senate.


33 posted on 04/25/2014 4:46:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I will choose what I will research and post, and on which thread, and right now, you are ignoring anything related to this thread and Rand Paul, and his position on abortion.


34 posted on 04/25/2014 4:48:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Rand Paul is on record as being pro life and anti abortion. Show me some evidence that he has changed that position. Link me to a video or an interview. I can’t just take your word for it now can I? Trust but verify.


35 posted on 04/25/2014 4:52:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ansel12

Why don’t you acknowledge what I have said??? In each post I have said I am a Cruz fan. Paul is a libertarian (as I have suggested more than once). Libertarians are loosey goosey on lots of things.

Don’t bother to reply. Save you energy for fighting the real bad guys....the dimorats and commies who want to destroy our country


36 posted on 04/25/2014 4:53:41 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You mean video like I just linked for you, in post 25?

I notice you keep pretending that we are discussing something else, and you keep using the broad terms like “Rand Paul is on record as being pro life and anti abortion.” repeated over and over, ignoring what this thread is about, his movement to a more vague and troubling place, which is disturbing the pro-life movement and conservatives.

Watch the video, that isn’t a pro-life warrior, that it is very Romney like.


37 posted on 04/25/2014 4:58:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

So you are admitting that you are unable to link me to an interview or a video of Ted Cruz putting forth a stronger pro life position than Rand Paul. OK. Just so we are all clear on that.


38 posted on 04/25/2014 5:02:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Nifster

Fine, you are a Cruz fan, no one has said any different.

I was addressing the stupid and strange elements of your posts directed at me, and your using Reagan in your aggressive defense of Rand Paul and his abortion position.

You may want to read your first couple of posts on this thread, rather than pretending that we were talking about Cruz.


39 posted on 04/25/2014 5:03:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Great, so this is the Rand Paul supporting strategy, just troll on threads and hijack them away from Paul.


40 posted on 04/25/2014 5:04:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

I have only asked for facts. You have stated a position on a candidate that you cannot support with any factual evidence. If you could you would already have provided it.

The fact of the matter is that no other candidate for the GOP nomination that I am aware of has or is pushing a stronger position on abortion than Rand Paul. In fact most of them are concentrating on the economy and foreign policy. Other than stating that they are pro life they are all fairly quiet about abortion as far as I can ascertain.

Again if you have evidence to the contrary please provide it for all of us freepers to read.


41 posted on 04/25/2014 5:15:48 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Are you reading this thread at all?, Why would you start slipping into that girlish silliness, rather than actually say something meaningful.

Are you going to just try to kill every Paul thread, while refusing to engage in discussing him and the thread topic?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3148624/posts?page=41#41

Rand Casts a Paul Over Life Debate
Patriot Post ^ | 04/25/2014 | Tony Perkins
Posted on 4/25/2014 11:48:21 AM by GIdget2004

Republicans are still months away from kicking off the presidential race – and that’s a good thing for front-runners like Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who could use the extra time to hone their messaging. In four years, the Kentucky leader has won over plenty of fans for his solid record on a whole range of issues, including life. But today, it isn’t his record that’s concerning people – it’s his rhetoric.

Wednesday, in a sit-down with former Obama insider David Axelrod, Sen. Paul surprised a lot of conservatives with his nonchalant attitude on abortion and his role in ending it. As president, Axelrod wanted to know, how hard would his White House push to overturn Roe v. Wade? The Senator’s answer: not much. With the country so evenly divided on the issue, he thinks an incremental approach is best. “I think the debate is about when life begins,” said the lead sponsor of the Senate’s Life at Conception Act. “Is it okay for an eight-pound baby to be aborted one week before delivery?”

Asked what his personal opinion on life at conception is, Sen. Paul said, “My personal religious belief is that life begins at the very beginning.” But, he explained, America is evenly divided between “all life and no abortion, or all abortion and no life… I think the law will come down in between.” Later, he said, “The country is in the middle, [and] we’re not changing any of the laws until the country is persuaded otherwise.”

Maybe it was inarticulate, or maybe these are the Senator’s real feelings, but that last comment certainly set off alarm bells for social conservatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at patriotpost.us ...


42 posted on 04/25/2014 5:27:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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