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To: Former Proud Canadian

What I want to know is why is the West going bonkers over Ukraine? It’s a bankrupt country - worse off than Greece. It doesn’t have oil or gas. And yet the US and the EU is willing to start a war over it. Why?


13 posted on 04/25/2014 2:08:51 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Canadian politicians see themselves as serving the interests of their constituents. Lots of Ukrainian Canadians in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Ontario also.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 2:11:49 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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Why?

Wealth.

All wars are economic in nature. The object is to get rich and be exempt from being cannon fodder.

17 posted on 04/25/2014 2:16:34 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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“What I want to know is why is the West going bonkers over Ukraine?”

International Energy Geopolitics....

Remember Syria?
The Saudi’s want a new gov in Syria, so they can build the gas pipeline project through Turkey, connecting to Europe directly.
There have been two competing projects, the Saudi’s, and Russia’s South Stream Project, which will bring gas directly from Southern Russia and the ‘Stan’s to Italy and Austria, bypassing Poland and Ukraine.

I wondered why after two years of civil war it was so imperative for Obama to attack Syria, and now we know.

Obama was suddenly going to bomb Syria, then Putin put a thin line of ships in front of him and said “NYET!”.

Destabilizing Ukraine was their way of “getting back” at Putin.

Bulgaria’s announcement yesterday that they are OK’ing the Russian project, instead of the Saudi one, ups the pressure on Obama by a BUNCH, I think.


19 posted on 04/25/2014 2:19:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Cowboy Bob
What I want to know is why is the West going bonkers over Ukraine? It’s a bankrupt country - worse off than Greece. It doesn’t have oil or gas. And yet the US and the EU is willing to start a war over it. Why?

Munich. Appeasement.

If history has taught us anything, it is that aggression anywhere in the world is a threat to peace everywhere in the world. When that aggression is supported by the cruel and selfish rulers of a powerful nation who are bent on conquest, it becomes a clear and present danger to the security and independence of every free nation. -- Harry S. Truman, 1951

I could find quotes from other presidents as well, if I wanted to look for them.

I'm not saying that this kind of thinking is right or that it suits every situation, but please, either look this stuff up or don't act like you haven't heard it before.

21 posted on 04/25/2014 2:26:18 PM PDT by x
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There is a wing here in the US govt that wants a war. They tried in Syria to take that from Russia now they are trying to take the Ukraine.

Why is beyond me. They keep failing to build any meaningful European consensus on it.

Just today we are seeing “Russian Spy Boats Off Florida” and “Russian Spy Planes Over .. somewhere”. This is nothing new. Whats new is trying to get us all spun up.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 3:01:43 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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Oh, and by the way. There will be no war over the Ukraine.

Obama and actors in the west will huff and puff and that's about it. Putin will move his chess pieces and end up with the eastern Ukraine.

There will be no NATO troops or planes sent to the Ukraine in the near future. Obama is not going to send forces there, and if you think any other NATO country will act independently of the US, you are wrong.

24 posted on 04/25/2014 3:04:39 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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Ukraine does have a large, untapped field of gas shale that Shell has or is signing leases to explore, develop, and frack. It’s estimated as the 3rd largest European reserve. Of course, both the EU and Russia are interested.


25 posted on 04/25/2014 4:04:23 PM PDT by alien_in_nm
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