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Paul: 'Difficult to turn the clock back' on O-Care
The Hill's Ballot Box ^ | April 25, 2014 | Alexandra Jaffe

Posted on 04/25/2014 7:28:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) admitted Friday it’s “difficult to turn the clock back” on ObamaCare, but proposed making the law voluntary as a possible fix for consumers.

“I think it’s going to be difficult to turn the clock back. People get assumed and accustomed to receiving things, particularly things that they get for free,” he told a crowd of students at Harvard’s Institute of Politics on Friday.

Paul’s comments echo those of other Republicans who have admitted it will be difficult to fully repeal the law after some of its more popular provisions took effect. The potential 2016 presidential candidate said he ultimately doesn’t think repeal is possible without Republicans controlling the House, the White House and with close to 60 votes in the Senate, like Democrats had when they passed the law.

But he predicted the cost of the law could ultimately have dire effects, suggesting they could “bring down local hospitals” or hamstring state governments.

In the meantime, Paul offered a fix.

“I think one of the practical things you might be able to do, and I think the public at large might accept this, is to make ObamaCare voluntary. You make it voluntary, basically you get rid of the coercion,” he said, presumably by eliminating the penalty those without insurance are required to pay, known as the individual mandate.

He said he may keep some parts of the law, like the subsidies to help poor Americans afford insurance, or the Medicaid expansion -- two of ObamaCare's more popular provisions but potentially its more expensive.

“Does that get rid of the subsidies? Not necessarily, or the Medicaid. But I think also we’re going to find out we can’t afford to have everybody on Medicaid, we can’t afford to have everybody on subsidized insurance,” Paul said.

The Kentucky senator also railed against President Obama for the idea of the law in the first place, telling students gathered at Harvard’s Institute of Politics on Friday that Obama “says that you are not smart enough…to choose your own insurance.”

Paul, who signed up his family for insurance under ObamaCare used his son’s plan as an example. He said it includes coverage for a number of unnecessary procedures “because the president says he’s too dumb and can’t buy an individual product that would cost him a lot less and wouldn’t have as many things included.”


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Besides drones and wiretapping, is there anything he's actually conservative on? Bueller? Bueller?
1 posted on 04/25/2014 7:28:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course he would see no problem in scrapping O’Care for a single payer system where everybody is on the Gov’t. Res.


2 posted on 04/25/2014 7:30:00 PM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Difficult does not equal impossible.


3 posted on 04/25/2014 7:30:01 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh man this country is going down hard.

And the rest of western civilization with it.

And it is no longer some distant event. We will not survive Obama.


4 posted on 04/25/2014 7:30:49 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Absolutely wrong, Rand.


5 posted on 04/25/2014 7:31:23 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Very disappointing whine on Rands part.


6 posted on 04/25/2014 7:33:07 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Really............makes me wonder.

Load’o’Crap........nothing about O’Care is free.


7 posted on 04/25/2014 7:34:26 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So then, I guess that when the going gets tough, the uuuuhhhhhmmmmmm...

At least it wasn’t over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

And let’s not forget, since our representatives are so underpaid, that we should not expect them to undertake the really, really difficult things.

I swear, if these nancy boys were our rulers back in the days of the revolution, we all would be kissing the Queen’s ass today...


8 posted on 04/25/2014 7:34:52 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Paul: 'Difficult to turn the clock back' on O-Care

More difficult than living with it?

9 posted on 04/25/2014 7:35:39 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: cuban leaf

At this point, it looks like the best possible outcome is total collapse of the US Federal Gov sometime before November 2016.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 7:36:06 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With the exception of Arizona, Americans turn the clock back every fall. NEVER SAY NEVER! It’s time for Americans to draw their own red line against communism.


11 posted on 04/25/2014 7:36:09 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: cuban leaf

Sadly, you’re correct. There’s no way we survive Obama. None.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 7:36:10 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These politicians have no will anymore.

THE US GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.


13 posted on 04/25/2014 7:36:21 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
People get assumed and accustomed to receiving things, particularly things that they get for free

So effin what?!?! Oh, they [takers] wouldn't vote for the DOUCHEBAGS THAT FOISTED IT ON US anymore?

14 posted on 04/25/2014 7:36:50 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We have NO ONE to fight for us, anymore.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 7:37:23 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well Rand, the difficult is do-able and the impossible just takes a little longer!!! (unless you become just another serial compromiser!!!)


16 posted on 04/25/2014 7:37:50 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Due to rapidly increasing cost of ammo, there will be no warning shots!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The man just talked himself out of contention for POTUS. And what about that comment on abortion the other day? He shows about the equivalent moral fiber that John F'n Kerry does.

PTUI!!



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O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

17 posted on 04/25/2014 7:38:24 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rand has been to goofy as of late.


18 posted on 04/25/2014 7:38:38 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: pax_et_bonum

It is not as difficult as other stuff that is going to have to be done to keep the country from going under. This is one of the easier things that needs to be done.


19 posted on 04/25/2014 7:39:26 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So, what we have here is the GOP slowly caving on Obamacare while simultaneously rushing to legalize all the illegal criminals that are here now, and millions more to come.

What the hell are these guys good for anyway?

I say jack.

20 posted on 04/25/2014 7:39:29 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: jospehm20

Correct-o.

:-)


21 posted on 04/25/2014 7:41:17 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We tried telling people. No one wanted to listen. So we all get what THEY asked for.


22 posted on 04/25/2014 7:41:36 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The acorn doesn’t fall far from the oak tree.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 7:41:58 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Chuckster
"At this point, it looks like the best possible outcome is total collapse of the US Federal Gov sometime before November 2016."

I agree.

Regime changes is the best solution.

Of course it's inevitable anyway. NO regime in history has survived a currency collapse.

Some new form of government always emerges from the ashes.

24 posted on 04/25/2014 7:41:58 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Makes you wonder whether he already fell for a staffer?


25 posted on 04/25/2014 7:42:49 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m done with Rand Paul.


26 posted on 04/25/2014 7:43:11 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re already crafting cop outs for failing to repeal this pile of merde.

There’s no hope.


27 posted on 04/25/2014 7:43:47 PM PDT by Argus
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To: pax_et_bonum

Exactly.

And who cares if it is hard. Just do it!

So when a fireman goes to Paul’s house, which is on fire with family on the second floor screaming to be saved, the fireman has a ligit excuse that it is too hard?

He gets paid to do hard things.

Get at it.

By the way, there is another fellow in DC that talks about how governing is hard...

What is his name...

Obumbler????

The shine is gone from Paul as far as I am concerned.

Elect Ted Cruz!


28 posted on 04/25/2014 7:43:47 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Costly yes, impossible no.
What man has created, man can tear asunder.
It will be less costly than keeping it.
It's not the law that's entrenched, it's politicians who staked their careers on it.
To heck with them all.

29 posted on 04/25/2014 7:43:59 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: pax_et_bonum
Difficult does not equal impossible.

Of course not but Paul's being honest. Undoing it will be very difficult now that the machinations are in place (and some Republican voters are actually benefiting from it).

To use a couple of cliches, elections have consequences and you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. When Obamacare fails, it will be replaced by single payer. We're not going back. We don't have a time machine or a magic "do-over" button.

30 posted on 04/25/2014 7:44:17 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Chuckster

I was kinda thinking an asteroid strike or something like a Carrington event is going to be needed.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 7:44:17 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Rand Paul seeks new allies among Romney 2012 team
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3148697/posts

Rand Casts a Paul Over Life Debate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3148624/posts

Rand Paul Backs Work Visas for Illegal Immigrants
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3147968/posts

Are you ready for Bush/Paul 2016?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3148406/posts

Rand Paul: On Gay Marriage GOP Needs to ‘Agree to Disagree’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3147932/posts

Don’t Ask Rand Paul Why He’s Supporting Mitch McConnell
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3145547/posts


32 posted on 04/25/2014 7:44:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I think one of the practical things you might be able to do, and I think the public at large might accept this, is to make ObamaCare voluntary"

An intriguing idea ...

You could offer a product and people could either:
a) Buy it
b) Not buy it.

Could this be a workable model for the health insurance industry?? Has any country ever tried this?
If such a concept worked, could it be extended to other products, such as milk or bread?? Imagine a world where you could choose to buy bread -- or not buy it!

This is genius. It will need a name. I suggest: ObamaMarket.

33 posted on 04/25/2014 7:44:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; xzins; Jim Robinson

Rand has become Romney with bad hair.


34 posted on 04/25/2014 7:45:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what a l**p D**k


35 posted on 04/25/2014 7:45:25 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what part of o’care is free?
If it is free then shouldn’t everyone be automatically enrolled in it? everyone who pays taxes that is. The IRS knows who they are.


36 posted on 04/25/2014 7:45:48 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: ClearCase_guy

“An intriguing idea ...”

MADNESS!!! We cannot EVER be allowed choice. Especially not free choice. Are you some kind of nut? People would get ideas and then what would happen to the climate?


37 posted on 04/25/2014 7:47:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Arm up, as the day of the soap box and ballot box may be drawing to a close.

Who would have ever thought such a statement about America could be even slightly possible?


38 posted on 04/25/2014 7:47:58 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: cuban leaf
I have said that for three years. Friends have left the country, one who is French left for Spain and has complete coverage there so long as he is not in France. His wife recently underwent a cancer surgery (in the US), she survived and now has full coverage with her husband. Admittedly they are taking advantage of the French law, but that is where it ends. Everyone is taking advantage of another, exactly where we are with Obamacare; the producers are paying the subsidies for the non-producers. The end is near, every politician sees it, yet we are still headed off a cliff. Stop this insanity!!!!
39 posted on 04/25/2014 7:48:30 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Boy is this guy a dissapoinment !


40 posted on 04/25/2014 7:48:31 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: GladesGuru

Anyone paying attention for the past 10 years or so.


41 posted on 04/25/2014 7:49:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: old curmudgeon

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

:-)


42 posted on 04/25/2014 7:49:45 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps, God will tear this apart.


43 posted on 04/25/2014 7:50:33 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Washington is a very seductive place. The trappings of the establishment are hard to resist. Cruz rides the train to work and is ignored by his colleagues, for instance. Rand has endorsed Mitch, so methinks he has chosen the dark side. Pity, and I want my money back.


44 posted on 04/25/2014 7:50:37 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ever hear of “The Contract with America” and “The Welfare Reform Act”?

Paul is a jackass loon but, gotta keep him around.

Need to fire Boner, Can’tor and McFawnel.....


45 posted on 04/25/2014 7:52:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

7m signed up... it’s not that difficult

of course, there are 535 people salivating over the power and money that will come from it... so don’t expect those people to shut it down anytime soon


46 posted on 04/25/2014 7:52:47 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: HMS Surprise

He had gone off rez on a bunch of stuff...all serious stuff and he still has a couple of Freepers running around the threads with the devotion of a new Scientologist making excuses for him. Just watch they will arrive soon.


47 posted on 04/25/2014 7:53:20 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Repeal or this is us...


48 posted on 04/25/2014 7:54:24 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: HMS Surprise

Don’t believe everything you read in the funny papers, especially about Ted Cruz:

Ted Cruz’s big show
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3147948/posts


49 posted on 04/25/2014 7:54:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kill it. Now...

...before it kills us.

50 posted on 04/25/2014 7:54:39 PM PDT by Gritty (Gun controllers aren't afraid of guns but a country where the individual has power-Dan Greenfield)
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