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Cliven Bundy and a nation of cowards
conservativenews and views.com ^ | 04/25/14 | Dwight Kehoe

Posted on 04/26/2014 8:05:08 PM PDT by kindred

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To: kindred

I learned a long time ago that press personnel can be issue baiters for whatever cause they choose. There is no honor when matters come to making a story. A person has to be very, very careful when dealing with modern day press personnel and Mr. Bundy has just been given a lesson in a time frame past his generation. I say this from being older than Mr. Bundy and having experience in dealing with the press.


21 posted on 04/26/2014 9:44:51 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: GilesB
and I’m much more forgiving of his error.

Error? ERROR?!?!?!?!

Horseshit!

He spoke the truth. The democrat party has made welfare slaves of a huge fraction of the black population in America. They're bought and paid for ... with OUR tax money ... and they do their masters' bidding.

22 posted on 04/26/2014 9:48:04 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

Try to follow - it isn’t a matter of truth or false. One can speak the truth and still make a mistake, as Bundy did here.

It doesn’t matter that he was right - and I’ve said I think he is right in what he said - what matters is in saying it, he hamstrung his case, and for no good purpose. There was no chance that saying what he said would help his cause - all it could do is hurt it, and it has.

This was predictable, so it was an error to make a statement, even a true statement, that was harmful to his case with no chance of helping it.

He should have stayed focused on his cause, it was all going his way - now, not so much.


23 posted on 04/26/2014 9:56:01 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: kindred; Jim Robinson
This is a Republic of the several States; the notion of nation can be twisted to say that a central government (prone to tyranny) knows best.

We know better.

24 posted on 04/26/2014 10:07:38 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Cicero

What about the millions of “negroes” that ow their own businesses and the even more numerous poor whites on welfare? Why in the world would he pick out some blacks?


25 posted on 04/26/2014 10:10:16 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: GilesB

Try not to be a condescending jackass.

I’m sick of a hypersensitive, eager to be offended society in which everyone must walk on eggshells to avoid falling afoul some unwritten speech rule invented by the communists in Big Media.

SCREW IT!

Hurt his cause??

I’ll tell you what’s hurting his cause:

YOU ARE!!! You and all the other supposedly conservative morons who are jumping his case because some simpering faggot at the New York Times told you to. Cut it out. You’re disgusting. That goes double for supposed conservative leaders like Beck, Hannity, and the increasingly insane Rand Paul.


26 posted on 04/26/2014 10:13:48 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

It is hard NOT to be condescending to someone so devoid of strategic thought.

I don’t take my cues from anybody - I heard about it, then listened to Bundy say what he had to say, did not listen to anybody else before forming my opinion that he made a grave strategic error. I don’t care what he was talking about, I don’t care if it was PC or not, all I care about is that it derailed Bundy’s cause, and his cause was on the way to doing serious damage to the BLM, the feds and Harry and the kid.

I suppose, in your pursuit of speaking the truth, if you were introduced to your pastor’s (or boss’s, or important customer’s) heavyset wife you would feel obliged to spout, “Gee, you’re fat!” wouldn’t you? Well, it would be true, so you would be right! And instead of walking on eggshells you will speak the truth...and be set free! Right? No, it would be a strategic mistake - just like Bundy’s statement was.

The only thing that should matter for Bundy is if he helps his cause. He didn’t, he hurt it. And the damage was predictable. So you tell me, is doing something that predictably hurts your legitimate interests a smart thing, a good thing, the right thing?

I’m hurting his cause? Hardly!! I only dream my words have so much impact - but if I could speak to Cliven, I would say the same thing to try and help him regain his focus. I’m speaking here in what I fear is a futile attempt to get the discussion back on track - but idiots like you want to keep it off topic in order to prove what? That you have no idea how to win a debate?

You are so ignorant of what is actually happening that you expend your energy defending the correctness of what he said (when I have never said he was wrong in what he said, only in saying it) - which is EXACTLY what Harry and the Whores want you to do. What they don’t want is for us to ignore what he said, and stay focused on grazing rights and BLM and Harry’s felonious pocket-lining and federal force and intimidation of citizens. So you go right ahead and do exactly what Harry Reid is hoping you will do. I will condescendingly pat you on the head, and talk to folks who have a clue.


27 posted on 04/26/2014 10:38:38 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Cicero

BUMP!


28 posted on 04/26/2014 10:38:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: kindred

I remember the adage,’there is no such thing as a stupid question’. Guess Bundy wasn’t given that leeway.


29 posted on 04/26/2014 10:41:16 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: GilesB
I don’t take my cues from anybody

So you say ... your actions prove otherwise.

all I care about is that it derailed Bundy’s cause

"It" did nothing. A militant homosexual communist at the New York Times tried to derail Mr. Bundy. You're helping the queers in Big Media. Shame on you.

30 posted on 04/26/2014 10:54:44 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: kindred
I stopped trusting the so-called “conservative” talk show weenies when they BLATANTLY failed to notice in 2008 that Obama was very likely ineligible to be president. Then they ignored it AGAIN in 2012. Coulter even had the audacity to call the Article 2, Section 1, defender CRANKS and used the KKK to push home her point.

My conclusion:

If hardcore tyranny comes to this nation. Rush, Hannity, Beck, Levin, Coulter, and the rest will prostitute their talents to the fascist oligarchy. They will lick the jack boots crushing our necks. Bet on it.

31 posted on 04/26/2014 10:58:01 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: GilesB
Missed this whopper first time through:

I’m speaking here in what I fear is a futile attempt to get the discussion back on track

Horsecrap! Again. If you were serious, you'd be talking about BLM overreach, Jackbooted thugs, screwed up land rights, and Harry Reid's corruption.

But you're not. You're on several threads, ranting against Mr. Bundy.

32 posted on 04/26/2014 10:58:23 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: GilesB

I am beginning to think you are a paid troll.


33 posted on 04/26/2014 11:00:35 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: NorthMountain

You’re a fool - that’s what I’ve been talking about. I didn’t change the subject, Bundy did of his own free will, and you toddled right along after him - doing exactly what Harry wants you to do.

You exemplify poor strategy. The reporter’s sexual orientation has nothing to do with the issue - so you please Harry again with your bile. And the reporter did not entice Cliven to say what he said, Cliven said it voluntarily.

Do you have any family caught up in the BLM grazing rights battle? If not, then don’t try to preach to me about the subject at hand.


34 posted on 04/26/2014 11:16:23 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: wintertime

I am supposed to by intimidated by your insipid musings?

I have family in the fight, for your information - fighting the same fight, and the same folks as Bundy was fighting.


35 posted on 04/26/2014 11:18:23 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: NorthMountain

No, I’m railing against his foolish strategic faux pas - trying to get thinking folks to stop chasing the racial red herring and get back on the trail.

I think Judge Jeanine heard me.


36 posted on 04/26/2014 11:41:44 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: kindred

bkmk


37 posted on 04/27/2014 2:15:45 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? ;-)
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To: NorthMountain

Bravo...! Sunshine patriots (LOW INFORMATION VOTERS) turn traitor when the rubber hits the road.


38 posted on 04/27/2014 3:33:16 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: GilesB

Yeah! Right!


39 posted on 04/27/2014 4:43:40 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: GilesB

Very eloquent and I agree with you. Shame Bundy didn’t have someone there to warn him about what the media would try to do to help the Reid cause.

I still don’t know what was asked Bundy in order to get his opinion on race. Had nothing at all to do with his cause.


40 posted on 04/27/2014 5:03:32 AM PDT by dforest
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