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New Genetic-Clock Research Challenges Millions of Years
Institute for Creation Research ^ | April 2014 | Nathaniel T. Jeanson, Ph.D.

Posted on 04/29/2014 9:11:43 AM PDT by fishtank

New Genetic-Clock Research Challenges Millions of Years

by Nathaniel T. Jeanson, Ph.D. *

Does a 6,000-year-old earth match the findings of modern science? Secular scientists have answered forcefully in the negative for generations. However, their arguments rest on the assumption of constant natural processes and constant rates, and new discoveries from ICR’s geneticists present a strong challenge to these claims.

Genetic “Clocks”

Ticking within every species is a “clock” of sorts that measures the length of time that a species has existed on the earth. Since DNA is passed on imperfectly from parent to offspring, each generation grows more genetically distant from prior generations. Consequently, with each successive generation reproductively isolated groups within species grow more and more genetically distant from each other.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; freeformfantasy; mitochondrial; notanewstopic
Figures adapted with permission from Answers Research Journal

* Dr. Jeanson is Deputy Director for Life Sciences Research at the Institute for Creation Research and received his Ph.D. in cell and developmental biology from Harvard University.

Cite this article: Nathaniel T. Jeanson, Ph.D. 2014. New Genetic-Clock Research Challenges Millions of Years. Acts & Facts. 43 (4).

1 posted on 04/29/2014 9:11:43 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

The Bible seems to support man being around for 6000 years, with a total repopulation after the second world-wide flood with Noah 5000 years ago. But I don’t see the Bible supporting the idea that the earth itself is 6000 years old. Who knows who long the earth was around before the first recorded world-wide flood in Genesis 1:2?


2 posted on 04/29/2014 9:20:23 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
Who knows who long the earth was around before the first recorded world-wide flood in Genesis 1:2?

James Ussher did a seminal work on this and came to the 6,000 year conclusion.

A running theory of mine is the duration of time in Eden is what is in question. I believe the dating of Adam's age came after the fall and that he and Eve had many, many children during their time in Eden. This is evidenced by Cain marrying in the land of Nod, east of Eden where there were presumably a good many people (offspring of Adam and Eve) where Cain built a city. Time, IMHO began after the fall and is thus recorded.

3 posted on 04/29/2014 9:34:34 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
Genesis 5:4 "After the birth of Seth, Adam lived another 800 years, and he had other sons and daughters"
4 posted on 04/29/2014 9:43:33 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: rjsimmon
A running theory of mine is the duration of time in Eden is what is in question. I believe the dating of Adam's age came after the fall

That's interesting. Could be. But all of this and (re)creation happened AFTER the first recorded world-wide flood in Genesis 1:2. Who knows how long the earth was around before Genesis 1:2?

5 posted on 04/29/2014 9:46:28 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: sr4402
Genesis 5:4 "After the birth of Seth, Adam lived another 800 years, and he had other sons and daughters

That was the point of my theory. All of this was relative to the fall and did not document the time spent in Eden. Seth was born long after Cain and Abel. To relative time frame is given for Cain's marriage and the birth of "other sons and daughters" leaving room for the possibility of children during their time in Eden.

6 posted on 04/29/2014 9:47:49 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: PapaNew
Who knows how long the earth was around before Genesis 1:2?

That was one of the salient points that Ussher made and that the Bible does document.

7 posted on 04/29/2014 9:48:59 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: fishtank
modern differences may trace back to the individual females that God created during days three through six of the creation week

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."2 Peter 3:8

And like a thousand years could be like a million years.

8 posted on 04/29/2014 9:49:20 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PapaNew
Who knows who long the earth was around before the first recorded world-wide flood in Genesis 1:2?

Careful now, evolutionary creationism is to be ridiculed by both sides, as the Creationist KNOW the history of the Word of God and the Evolutionists KNOW their theory is fact.

9 posted on 04/29/2014 9:49:21 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: PapaNew
Genesis 1:2

Re-read your post. Excellent question. The word Moses used for 'day' was and is recognized as a 24-hour period, so the presumption was that of a standard Earth day for each 'day' of creation.

10 posted on 04/29/2014 9:51:32 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
And like a thousand years could be like a million years.

Very true, but the Almighty does not NEED a million years, nor a thousand, to bring something into being.

11 posted on 04/29/2014 9:53:28 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Turbo Pig
evolutionary creationism

No, no, no. Gotta pay attention here. Creation as we know it began in Genesis 1:3 after the first recorded world-wide flood in vs 1:2. Creation, not evolution.

My point is, who knows how long the earth was around before Genesis 1:2 (ie. earth before the first world-wide flood in vs 1:2 and creation beginning in vs 1:3)?

12 posted on 04/29/2014 9:58:35 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: rjsimmon
Yes, and Genesis 1:2 was before "day" was made or recorded.
13 posted on 04/29/2014 10:01:06 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

You’re viewing Gen. 1:1 as an overview. I see that as the first creative acts on Day One. God had to first create space, and then He could hang earth in it.


14 posted on 04/29/2014 10:01:29 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: afsnco

How do explain Gen 1:1 followed by 1:2?


15 posted on 04/29/2014 10:02:39 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: rjsimmon
Very true, but the Almighty does not NEED a million years, nor a thousand, to bring something into being.

Very true. But Scripture says a day is not necessarily 24 hours. Time is a created thing. God is outside of time.

16 posted on 04/29/2014 10:04:01 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PapaNew

FWIW, only last week I heard an interview with an ancient language scholar (Dr. Michael Heiser) say that he knows of no serious linguist who takes the gap theory seriously because it’s not supported by the Hebrew. I am unsure what program I was listening to now, but I found a blog post on his website on the topic.

Genesis 1:2 and the “Gap Theory”
http://drmsh.com/2010/09/28/genesis-12-and-the-gap-theory/


17 posted on 04/29/2014 10:06:49 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: fishtank

How many more thousand years do we have left before our DNA degrades to the point of being unable to reproduce?


18 posted on 04/29/2014 10:20:29 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: fishtank

to all: fyi I don’t personally know Charles Clough, but if you read his bio, he is qualified to have an opinion on the Gap Theory (he doesn’t believe in it.)

http://www.bibleframework.com/about/clough/

Charles Clough was born in Brooklyn, NY and grew up on Long Island. Upon graduation from high school, Charlie received a scholarship to Massachusetts Institute of Technology. It was during his first semester at MIT that Charlie was led to Christ by a Campus Crusade for Christ staff member. Charlie met Carol while in college and they later married. Charlie completed his BS in Math and also did graduate work in atmospheric science at MIT.

After four years of active duty as a weather officer supporting Air Force operations, he entered Dallas Theological Seminary. Charlie earned the Th.M. in Old Testament Hebrew while at Dallas, graduating in 1968. His master’s thesis was entitled A Calm Appraisal of The Genesis Flood, which was a review and analysis of all the reviews and analyses of John Whitcomb and Henry Morris’ classic work The Genesis Flood.

By this time in his life, he had examined the philosophical foundations—rarely mentioned in contemporary education—underlying the extension of the scientific method for forensics (study of past events not reproducible in laboratory conditions). He concluded that no conflict exists between actual data and the Bible’s historical narratives. The oft-cited “conflicts” between forensically applied science and the Bible arise solely due to the philosophical speculations required to generate interpretive theories, not due to any actually observed data. While involved in Christian ministry to university students, he utilized this insight to present biblical truths as forming a basic framework for all of knowledge.

Continuing his work with the Air Force as a Reservist in the early 1980s, Charlie earned the M.S. in Atmospheric Science from Texas Tech University. From 1982 through 2006, he served as a staff meteorologist with the Department of the Army in charge of atmospheric measurements, modeling, and environmental applications to support weapons testing at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland. He retired from the position as Chief of the Atmospheric Effects Team.
Starting in the fall of 1995 Charlie began teaching a Thursday evening class at Fellowship Chapel in Jarrettsville, Maryland on his Basic Framework for Christian Doctrine. This series was completed in the Spring of 2002. All of the 224 MP3 lessons, class handouts, lecture transcriptions, and miscellanea are available for downloading from this website.

A well-respected Bible scholar, with a scientific background, Charlie is a much sought-after conference speaker and teacher. He is on the Board of Advisors and serves as a member of the Adjunct Faculty of Chafer Theological Seminary.

Charlie and Carol reside in Bel Air, Maryland. They are parents of four grown sons.


19 posted on 04/29/2014 10:22:44 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Dunno, but I think “How long was the earth around before Gen 1:2?” is a good question.


20 posted on 04/29/2014 10:30:18 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: rjsimmon

This does not take into account the expansion of time and space from the creation. About a thousand years ago Rabbi Nachmanides deduced the Big Bang from the Torah. MIT professor Dr. Gerald Schroeder extrapolates from that a remarkable reconciliation of the 6 days of creation and the 14 billion years of geologic time. His book, Genesis and the Big Bang, is fascinating reading.


21 posted on 04/29/2014 10:34:31 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: PapaNew

It’s a great question. I’ve asked it myself.


22 posted on 04/29/2014 10:35:07 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Hootowl

That sounds fascinating. I shall endeavor to find a copy. Thank you.


23 posted on 04/29/2014 10:39:57 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: .45 Long Colt
I'll share what I personally think. I think somewhere before Gen 1:2, Lucifer fell and "all hell broke loose" literally. Since Lucifer was apparently in charge of God's created realm, the universe, Lucifer and his realm became dark. IMO, that is why the universe is dark and why "the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep" (Gen 1:2).

IMO, what follows is God beginning to redeem His physical universe. The story of redemption is always a greater story than the story of creation. In this case, creation as we know it was also the beginning of God's redeeming His fallen, physical universe. Pretty cool, huh? All of the above is just my personal opinion.

However, later, we all know what happened. God redeemed something much more valuable than His physical universe: His prized creation, man, redeemed by the blood of His precious Son, Jesus. This redemptive work of Christ for man was much greater than the original creation and redemption of a fallen universe. The subject of the age of the earth and creation is interesting, but doesn't compare to the majesty and eternal value of redemption by the blood of Jesus Christ.

24 posted on 04/29/2014 11:03:18 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: fishtank; Admin Moderator
This is NOT News/Activism !
25 posted on 04/29/2014 11:14:54 AM PDT by tomkat (3% +1)
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To: PapaNew

“The subject of the age of the earth and creation is interesting, but doesn’t compare to the majesty and eternal value of redemption by the blood of Jesus Christ.”

Amen!


26 posted on 04/29/2014 11:19:55 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: rjsimmon

The Scriptures say that during the 800 years he had other sons and daughters. Able was born after Eden.


27 posted on 04/29/2014 11:42:21 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: fishtank
For the sake of calm, reasoned argument, you would do well to take the time to watch How the Earth Was Made - origins of geology(my description)
28 posted on 04/29/2014 12:35:23 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Sorry, I was unclear in the link description. The title of the video is How the Earth Was Made. I added “origins of geology” as a further description of the video. I do think it is well worth the time to view as it is well made and not impossibly technical. In other words, I can follow it. :-}


29 posted on 04/29/2014 12:45:19 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: sr4402
The Scriptures say that during the 800 years he had other sons and daughters. Able was born after Eden.

Not the point of my thesis and I am well aware of when Abel was born. My theory is that the sons named to Adam and Eve were AFTER the fall and eviction from Eden. I believe that Adam and Eve had lots of children while IN Eden. I first came to this conclusion after reading (for the umpteenth time) the punishment of Eve.

He told the woman, "I'll greatly increase the pain of your labor during childbirth. It will be painful for you to bear children." Gen 3:16.

The Lord "incresed" her pain. You cannot increase something that did not exist. He also said that it will be painful for you to bear children, implying that she has done so previously.

This is merely a working theory, but it fits into the narrative of Cain and leaving to find others and eventually marrying one.

30 posted on 04/29/2014 12:46:11 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: tomkat; Admin Moderator

I respectfully disagree.

How we think and what we think

has a direct bearing on what we do

and who we are.

This is a timely news article.

Do you think that the American Revolution was divorced from how the Founders thought about the interplay of religion, politics and philosophy?


31 posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:41 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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