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Cruel or necessary? The true cost of wild horse roundups [Graphic Video warning]
NBC News ^ | May 14, 2013 | Lisa Myers and Michael Austin

Posted on 04/29/2014 6:15:10 PM PDT by blueplum

...This recent roundup ended a season of wild horse “gathers” in which the government captured and removed thousands of mustangs from nearly 32 million acres of public land in 10 Western states.

Afterward, the Bureau of Land Management reported new numbers likely to shock many Americans unfamiliar with the economics and politics surrounding the roundups: A record number of wild horses – almost 50,000 – are now living in captivity, far more than the 32,000 left on the range.

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In January 2013, a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order halting another roundup after Leigh produced photos of a BLM helicopter driving wild horses through a barbed wire fence

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Judge Miranda Du later lifted the order, but barred the BLM from using “hot shot/electric prod treatment” on weanlings and “rushed and aggressive loading tactics.”

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The Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971 states that wild horses and burros “shall be protected from capture, branding, harassment, or death,” but activists say the BLM program subjects them to that very treatment.

(Excerpt) Read more at investigations.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Nevada; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: animalabuse; blm; bundy; horses
"it's not the land, it's the water." Joan Guilfoyle, head of the BLM Wild Horse and Burro Program 2013

There are four times as many desert tortoises living in the wild right now than wild horses living in the wild.

The treatment of the Bundy cattle by the BLM is no surprise to wild horse advocates who've seen BLM animal cruelty up close, as the graphic video at the link douments. The BLM had become accomplished in running rangestock to death long before the appauling treatment of Bundy's cattle caused an outrage. It was only a matter of time before the practices used against wild horses carried through to treatment of all rangestock.

If any good can come from the destruction and maltreatment of Bundy cattle, perhaps it will be cattle ranchers finally hearing the voices of wild horse advocates and joining with them to ensure BLM abuse of ALL rangestock is brought to an abrupt and absolute closure.

and just because I'm feeling froggy, here's a side-connect between former DOI secretary Salizar, and his buddy Tom Davis:

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/14/17708998-the-case-of-the-missing-mustangs-what-happened-to-1700-wild-horses

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/11/u-s-secretary-of-interior-threatens-to-punch-out-local-reporter/#.U2AwIZtcZ8N

1 posted on 04/29/2014 6:15:10 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

i hate big brother. /winston smith, 1984


2 posted on 04/29/2014 6:24:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: blueplum

I made it 2 minutes through that...I can’t watch anymore. Does BLM stand for “Barbaric Land Management?”


3 posted on 04/29/2014 6:27:25 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: blueplum

Isn’t horse meat the foundation of a lot of dog/cat food?


4 posted on 04/29/2014 6:38:17 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Wild Mustangs are exported for human consumption.


5 posted on 04/29/2014 6:55:15 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: blueplum

There’s a lot of dog food going to waste.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 7:03:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: cloudmountain

I’m pretty sure horsemeat in petfood has been outlawed since the 70’s, at least in the US.


7 posted on 04/29/2014 7:04:35 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: cloudmountain

Horsemeat isn’t bad as people food.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 7:19:57 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: blueplum

If not culled, wild horses degrade the rangelands by overbrowsing. As long as the contractors hired do it an accepted manner, we should allow it. Wild means hard to control, so a few horses getting broken legs happens. Those are put down to limit suffering.

Once caught, not all get bought for riding or pets, the rest should go to slaughter or pet meat or exported for human consumption. Holding them for long times in pens is more cruel than prompt disposition.


9 posted on 04/29/2014 7:25:58 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: blueplum

I hate the BLM and their extraordinarily cruel treatment of these wonderful animals. Not watching the video link, I’ve seen all I can stomach of gorgeous little foals run down by helicopters until their hooves are ground off by rocks.

Here’s a link to American Wild HOrse Preservation, an organization that has the horses’ best interests at heart and often prevails over the BLM…but too often on a temporary basis. The bloodthirsty BLMers can hardly wait to murder another wild horse. http://org2.salsalabs.com/o/6931/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=1291006

Yes, I’m beyond logic, just furious and extremely sad.


10 posted on 04/29/2014 7:43:41 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: RicocheT
Good post.

I have a story for you, of how removed urban folks are from the reality. I was talking grizzly bears with a liberal vegetarian. She seriously advised that instead of wiping out all the grizzly bears on the coast of California, as was achieved by the mid 1800s, people could have (and still can) address the problem adequately by not leaving their garbage outside.

All you can do is shake your head.

11 posted on 04/29/2014 7:45:17 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: BerryDingle

“Wild Mustangs are exported for human consumption”

Not from this country. Get your facts right. There is no way you can sell a BLM branded horse for slaughter, especially overseas.


12 posted on 04/29/2014 8:26:33 PM PDT by rey
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To: rey; BerryDingle

But you can breed them for slaughter.


13 posted on 04/29/2014 8:30:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MrEdd

>> “Horsemeat isn’t bad as people food.” <<

.

It is forbidden by God.

Take your chances?

Not me!


14 posted on 04/29/2014 8:33:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: cloudmountain

>> “Isn’t horse meat the foundation of a lot of dog/cat food?” <<

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No.

Cheap brands use corn and soy with animal renderings for fake flavor.

Good brands use chicken, duck or trout for protein.
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15 posted on 04/29/2014 8:37:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: blueplum

There is no such thing as a wild horse in the US. These are feral horses. Many of these are horses that are dumped for various reasons, particularly a poor economy. There are very few that can trace their ancestry to the Spanish settlers.

By what reasoning should these animals stay and someone who pays for a lease and does mandatory improvements and manages the lease to have feed forever available out there be forced out? By what reasoning should the tax payer foot the bill for these animals and forego the income from the leases? In any of these videos does anyone see any reasonable amount of grazing available for these animals (Note that one horse eats considerably more than one cow calf unit). No one cries for the preservation of wild cows (and feral cows do exist).

We should note that this is what they want us to see. One woman says it is better they die of old age. Does anyone see any animals in the wild die of old age? They eventually slow down, become prey or fail to make it to food and water and starve or then become prey. No “wild animal” dies of old age.

They play on your sentiment. THey play you for a sucker. They lie and say they feel as you do. They never appeal to your logic or reason. Their entire pitch is the noble horse. Watch the documentray “Cloud” and tell me how noble the stallion that dismembers the colt is.

Read the NYT Magazine article about the lawyer who is suing for personhood for chimps. Do you really think it will stop there? THis animal sentimentality is a slope waaay more slippery than the gay marriage transgender issue.


16 posted on 04/29/2014 8:46:45 PM PDT by rey
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To: editor-surveyor

to be fair, Jesus made all things clean in the new testament. However, I would not eat horse out of ethics, I consider them like dogs... that’s to say man’s best friend.


17 posted on 04/29/2014 9:11:25 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: editor-surveyor
"It is forbidden by God."

Ummmm - tell that to Peter.

18 posted on 04/29/2014 9:31:40 PM PDT by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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To: editor-surveyor

No horse may legally be sold for slaughter in the US. If you breed a horse, it clearly is not a BLM horse, besides all BLM horses adopted are geldings and I believe all mares are spayed which would make breeding rather difficult.

There are some horses that are sold in the US and shipped to Mexico for slaughter. These generally go for under .10 a pound. No BLM horse may be transported across the border. At under ten cents a pound you would never cover the adoption fee even if you could somehow send them over the border.


19 posted on 04/29/2014 10:10:13 PM PDT by rey
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To: RicocheT
If not culled, wild horses degrade the rangelands by overbrowsing. <

this is the same argument being used nowadays by the BLM to force ranchers to cull cattle below numbers required to maintain water rights. Gophers destroy more rangeland annually than wild horses ever could.

Wild means hard to control, so a few horses getting broken legs happens.

. No doubt when you run any rangestock hard, the chances of them stepping in a gopher hole and breaking their leg is pretty high. But there's no legitimate purpose in running panicked rangestock to the point of exhaustion. If people become desensitized to animal atrocities, they can become desensitized to human atrocities.

The BLM has stated most wild horse fatalities during takings are caused by broken necks, head trauma and castrations. Only 1-1/2 percent of the BLM's wild horse program budget is actually spent on "population suppression". Tying tubes in mares and vasectomies in colts who are then returned to the wild to live normal lives would go a long way towards controlling populations without the need for inhumane takings, where broken legs, gashed faces, and broken necks are considered acceptable collateral damage, or for maintaining a caged herd of 50,000 animals with little to no chances of mainstreaming.

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20 posted on 04/29/2014 11:25:01 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Horse owner here.....thoroughbreds....Hanoverians.....TWHs

I really detest folks being cruel or murderous to horses.....but no I’m not PETA zealot with my sights on Shelbyville TN or the Derby or the Iroquois

Horses are no joke...they are tough and kick your ass but as a rule they don’t fear humans by nature anymore

Its just wrong

They can be so inspiring.


21 posted on 04/29/2014 11:35:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: editor-surveyor

Horses....saved from being what’s for dinner Jewish wise by having solid and not split hoove


22 posted on 04/29/2014 11:39:48 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, it is not.
In the book of Acts dietary restrictions are removed.
The Christian is free from the ceremonial food laws of Judaism.
I even get to eat bacon.


23 posted on 04/30/2014 2:52:17 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: rey

I like cows. I like horses too, tame and wild ones. I even like goats. And ‘feral’ barn cats. But the question of whether horses should take grazing precidence over cows or cows over horses on multi-use public land isn’t the point I’m trying to highlight. There are 88 million cows in the USA, 9 million domesticated horses and 30,000 wild horses. I’ll leave it at that.

Besides pointing out Guilfoyle admitting, it’s all about controlling water, my intent is to show video evidence that the BLM is no stranger to inhumane handling of animals, be it a Bundy cow, a Dunn or Gage bull, or a ‘feral’ wild horse or burro (or cat) in Utah with broken legs. Like the Utah roundup, the treatment of Bundy cattle wasn’t just a single case of “BLM goes on a wild an crazy weekend”. People who abuse four legged animals will abuse two legged animals. Labeling rangestock ‘feral’ is not permission to run animals to death, whether cow or goat or sheep or horse or burro. Is that overly sentimental? I don’t think it is.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 2:57:02 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Culling wild horses to protect the rangeland and the BLM taking owned cattle such as Bundy’s are different episodes. The rights of owners have to be observed. Wild horses have no owners.

Culling leading to slaughter or sales to new owners should be the main management step. Catch & release after castration or fixing mares is costly and should be done only on wild horses for special reasons, not as rangeland protection.


25 posted on 04/30/2014 10:40:53 AM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: rey

Then change the law - other animal meat can be exported!

you said — “Wild Mustangs are exported for human consumption”

Not from this country. Get your facts right. There is no way you can sell a BLM branded horse for slaughter, especially overseas.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 10:47:17 AM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: RicocheT

How are they different? Bundy’s cattle were labeled ‘feral’, too:

“The resolution claims many of Bundy’s cows have been running loose on the range for so many years that
they can no longer be considered domestic...and would be a menace to those handling them, it said.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57792018-90/utah-cattle-county-blm.html.csp

Sounds like a typical resolution to destroy wild horses, doesn’t it? Maybe it was that ‘feral’ labeling that led to the mindset it was ok to use Bundy bulls for shooting practice.

One doesn’t have to be a PETA drumbeater to realize different rules for handling rangestock is a beartrap, when ‘feral’ versus ‘domesticated’ is subject to arbitrary determination at the whim of some alphabet agency.

As for wild-roaming horses, just like Bundy cattle they also have owners, under 1971 Public Law 92-195 and 2009 H.R.429. I’d like their rights to humane treatment upheld as much as I want Bundy’s rights to humane treatment of his cattle upheld. I see no difference.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 5:10:08 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: MrEdd

No, no dietary restriction was ever removed. All you have to do is read the chapter fully, instead of inserting what you want to be true.

Peter declared the interpretation of his vision to be that he was not to call any MAN common or unclean. It had nothing to do with food.
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28 posted on 04/30/2014 7:40:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rey

The horses are mostly not remaining in the US.

There are no adoptions for the ones that BLM destroys.


29 posted on 04/30/2014 8:02:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: RicocheT; blueplum

Horses, wild or domesticated, are good for range land, just as cattle are.

The turf needs heavy animals to break it up, or invasive species like ‘cheat’ kill off the native grasses.
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30 posted on 04/30/2014 8:06:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

WHo cares what the BLM destroys? They are feral or abandoned, or overpopulated animals on land they manage. Were there too many cattle, wolves, deer, etc. their numbers would be reduced or they would be left to naturally thin. Now I agree that the Feds should not have all this land, and were it in private hands, they should be able to remove them. They are not native.

I know of no way to get a BLM horse out of country. It is a very difficult thing to do at best. Brand inspectors check aggresively for this. They certainly do not go for slaughter out of the US or in the US.


31 posted on 04/30/2014 9:08:09 PM PDT by rey
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To: rey

You’re a dreamer.

The BLM manages no land, nor should they.

Land management is for interested persons, not distant thuggish government.
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32 posted on 05/01/2014 7:22:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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