Posted on 05/03/2014 2:38:05 PM PDT by Sam Troy
Three years after Barack Obama released his birth certificate from the White House, Randy Foreman asks congressmen if they care about the issue.
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Refrain from sending me private messages. Thanks so much.
Here is a update: More congressmen confronted on Obama’s fraudulent birth certificate!
http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/05/full-report-must-see-tv-congressmen.html
There is a significant difference between a scanned PDF image of any birth certificate which is optimized by software for easy viewing on a computer screen and the original hard copy Certificate of Live Birth which resides in the office safe of the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics and can be released for inspection under “an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.” (Hawai’i Revised Statutes 338-18(b)[9]
Congress has never held a single minute of hearings on this issue in six years because the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle let the Republican Party know, back in 2008 that the original birth certificate is legit.
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”—[Former] Governor Linda Lingle
What Hawaii statute gave Lingle tangible interest to have the birth certificate examined? She is not a family member. And what Hawaii statute gave her authority to go on the nationally syndicated Rusty Humphries radio show and make the statement Obama was born at Kapiolani without providing any evidence. And why couldn’t Abercrombie do the same?
We can reverse the “arrow” of space a lot easier than we can reverse the “arrow” of time.
To the best of my knowledge the governor had no statutory authority but it would be up to her own appointee, the Director of Health (Chiyome Fukino, MD) to determine tangible interest and it would be up to the person named on the vital record, Barack Obama, to challenge the disclosure of information from his confidential birth record. I would bet that both governors consulted their Attorneys General for legal opinions before saying or doing anything.
Governor Lingle did not release the vital record, she reported on its existence and revealed some data from it. Since there were no challenges to her doing that, any legal issues remained dormant.
Governor Abercrombie commented on the authenticity of the birth record in a press release accompanying the release of copies of the long form in April, 2011:
“Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: ‘Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President’s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawai’i. State officials of both parties have verified that President Obama’s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.
“President Obama’s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawai’i. The State of Hawai’i has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President’s request for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.’”
http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/
Good questions, but Lingle doesn’t need any authority. She is a politician. Politicians always speak the truth. They never lie. Ditto Abercrombie. Whatever they said is the truth, bank on it.
& as you know, Benghazi was merely the result of a Youtube video backlash. Plenty of politicians said so.
Lots of pols told us if we liked our drs & health ins., we could keep them. So both those things are absolutely true also.
Think how many politicians have told us Global Warming is real. That must be true also.
Mitch McConnell, a Republican, tells us the Tea Party is a greater threat than Democrats. We need to believe this is true. Politicians, particularly GOPers, don’t lie.
McCain said Obama would be fine fot the country; we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency. That must have been true also. After all, McCain is a GOP politician, is he not?
Boehner tells us amnesty is good. He’s also a GOP politician, so that must be true also.
Bottom line, if Lingle & Abercrombie said it, then that is the end of the story. Politicians never lie.
Right, Obots?
“Trust, but verify.”— Ronald Wilson Reagan
Anyone who doesn’t trust the statements of politician Governors Linda Lingle and Neil Abercrombie can go to a judge and convince him or her that in accordance with Hawaii law there is probable cause to distrust the assurances that have been offered. A judge can then issue a court order to inspect the original birth certificate in order to verify or impeach those politicians’ pronouncements.
Hawaii Revised Statutes
§338-18 Disclosure of records.
(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
Without all the legalese: get a court order, get to inspect the birth certificate.
Oh come on, nobody doubts Abercrombie’s honesty and integrity. ‘Honest Neil’, they call him, since he is famed for his straight shooting, unflinching trustworthiness.
Think about it. He was telling the truth when he said he was present at Obama’s birth, wasn’t he? So that makes him the ONLY person present when Obama was born:
” “Maybe I’m the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby [Barack Hussein Obama II] was born.’ “
[This statement is so like another that comes to mind:
‘I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.’
You believe them both, right?]
Bottom line, nobody doubts Abercrombie’s honesty. Everyone believes that Neil and Neil alone was there when Obama was born. So why would anybody need to check up on him? If Abercrombie says it, it must be true.
Right, Obots?
As I said, a court order for inspection of the vault edition birth certificate can either confirm or impeach what Abercrombie had to say and what Governor Lingle said before him.
A congressional subpoena for the vault edition birth certificate could also accomplish the same thing as a judge’s order.
There is no need to take any politician’s word for it.
If you want to go to the courts in HI, do so. It’s your ide—your baby. Knock yourself out.
As for me, I don’t need the courts to tell me Abercrombie is a lying liar. (1) I’m not an Obot, and (2) I’m not stupid. Thus, I figured it out for myself.
ide = idea
It doesn’t have to be a court in Hawaii. A “court of competent jurisdiction” is a statutory court of law in any jurisdiction within the United States.
I’ll leave the lawyering to the members of the bar.
Also, as I mentioned, a congressional subpoena from an investigative committee in the House of Representatives would work just as well.
A person need not be an “Obot” nor believe a single word from the mouth of Neil Abercrombie in order to want to get to the bottom of this issue once and for all.
So you area suggesting I do something you won’t do? Why? You are the one promoting the idea. I have no interest in it. Why not stop wasting time with your worthless suggestion? Either you do something with it, or leave me alone on the subject. I’m tired of hearing about it.
As for establishing that Abercrombie is a brazen liar, as I said before, no court intervention is necessary to prove the point. Abercrombie proved it himself. He’s not a good liar. He’s a clumsy, ridiculous liar. But he did show us one thing: he is willing to lie, however stupidly, on Obama’s behalf. The ‘on Obama’s behalf’ being the critical part. Since Abercrombie has a pattern of lying for Obama’s benefit, he has no credibility. You don’t need a judge to establish this fact. Abercrombie established it himself, in spades.
In a more general vein, where on earth did you get the idea that a politician saying something makes it true? Liberals believe that if a prog pol says something it’s true. Conservatives believe almost no politicians. There are a few, a precious few, whose word we respect. But they have proven themselves trustworthy. Principally, they have shown themselves willing to buck the establishment and weather the storm of abuse that ensues. These rare pols have earned the respect of conservatives. No others have.
So what are you trying to prove with your, ‘A politician said it so it must be true’ mantra? It’s naïve at best. Naïve because, hint hint, pols lie. They lie for a wide range of reasons, including but not limited to self-aggrandizement, expediency, votes, in order not to ‘rock the boat’, and to please those in power. Some, like Obama, lie pathologically. But however it may be, politicians lie. If you want to argue, ‘A politician said it so it must be true’, I suggest you find someone even more naïve than yourself. Perhaps then you will have a receptive audience.
I am not suggesting that you do anything. You, I and others are discussing an issue on a blog, nothing less, nothing more.
There have been more than 300 civil actions filed on this issue. I am suggesting a possible alternative approach for judicial or congressional action which has not been utilized yet as far as I can tell. In my humble opinion it would be best if an attorney were to seek a court order.
If my idea of seeking a court order or a congressional subpoena doesn’t make sense to you, then so be it; to each his own.
If you’re not making a suggestion to me, what are you doing? If you have an idea and you think it’s a good one, by all means follow through. I’m not the person to come to about it, however. That’s why I have no idea why you keep posting your idea to me. It serves no purpose.
My bad must have hit the wrong reply button sry.
Off to clean my glasses.
I’m having a discussion in a forum, that’s what I’m doing! My posts are not about you nor to you. I am posting to anyone reading this thread. There is absolutely no reason for you to respond to my posts specifically.
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