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Vietnam and China face off in South China Sea
Reuters ^ | 5/7/2014 | Nguyen Phuong Linh and Michael Martina

Posted on 05/07/2014 10:03:42 AM PDT by mojito

Vietnam said on Wednesday a Chinese vessel intentionally rammed two of its ships in a part of the disputed South China Sea where Beijing has deployed a giant oil rig, sending tensions spiraling in the region.

The foreign ministry in Hanoi said the collisions took place on Sunday and caused considerable damage to the Vietnamese ships. Six people sustained minor injuries, it said.

"On May 4, Chinese ships intentionally rammed two Vietnamese Sea Guard vessels," said Tran Duy Hai, a foreign ministry official and deputy head of Vietnam's national border committee.

"Chinese ships, with air support, sought to intimidate Vietnamese vessels. Water cannon was used," he told a news conference in Hanoi. Six other ships were also hit, other officials said, but not as badly.

Dozens of navy and coastguard vessels from both countries are in the area where China has deployed the giant rig, Vietnamese officials have said.

"No shots have been fired yet," said a Vietnamese navy official, who could not be identified because he was not authorized to speak to media. "Vietnam won't fire unless China fires first."

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...Hanoi has strongly condemned the operation of the drilling rig in what it says are its waters in the South China Sea, and told China's state-run oil company CNOOC to remove it.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: barrysbigstick; china; opec; redline; southchinasea; taiwan; vietnam
I see the Chicoms have wasted no time in crossing another of Barry's red lines.
1 posted on 05/07/2014 10:03:43 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

China´s massacre in Spratly islands [real footage 1988]
http://youtu.be/Uy2ZrFphSmc


2 posted on 05/07/2014 10:09:18 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: mojito

Maybe Ho Chi Minh can fix this. What the hell do the Vietnamese need oil for? They have to fill up their water buffalo?


3 posted on 05/07/2014 10:11:28 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mojito
It is time to warn China. Open the china South Sea up by stationing a large unit of American, Japanese, and Taiwanese forces and warn China any aggression will result in positive action.

Well a thought but with communists King Obama, never happen. This fool is a coward and hides when anything really happens.

4 posted on 05/07/2014 10:12:12 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me

Taiwan and China are on the same side here.


5 posted on 05/07/2014 10:14:54 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Logical me
Zero's “pivot” to Asia entails lots of running away.

Big Barry was just in Asia last week and telling the Chicoms to behave themselves.

Like everyone else, they laughed at Barry and said, “make us.”

If the Chicoms aren't careful, Barry will issue a press release calling Chinese actions “unhelpful.”

6 posted on 05/07/2014 10:17:44 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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7 posted on 05/07/2014 10:18:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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Vietnam said on Wednesday a Chinese vessel intentionally rammed two of its ships
Too bad, so sad. Maybe the VN gubmint will pass a Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
8 posted on 05/07/2014 10:21:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: mojito

Easy to see why the Chinese are getting aggressive. With a weak and docile U.S. administration, now is the time to push territorial ambitions. Not to justify such behavior, but they’re simply taking advantage of the strong hand they’ve been dealt. And in the absence of any push back, even more aggression should be expected.

Obama has essentially given them carte blanche to intimidate their neighbors. Our foreign policy is a disaster.


9 posted on 05/07/2014 10:23:23 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: mojito

We spent years and billions of dollars trying to help Vietnam and keep the Chinese from taking them over. They thanked us by killing 55,000 Americans. I will worry about Vietnam when their leaders come to the United States and stand in front of the Pentagon and says to the news cameras, “We’re sorry! We were wrong! Please forgive us for being so stupid!”


10 posted on 05/07/2014 10:23:33 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mojito

I guess I hope they both lose. But I hope the V.Cong takes a bunch of them down before that.


11 posted on 05/07/2014 10:25:03 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: mojito

Am I the only one getting a little concerned at the thumbing of noses from both China and Russia both?


12 posted on 05/07/2014 10:35:07 AM PDT by autumnraine
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No but there isn’t a whole lot we can do about it without getting rid of Obama and making serious changes in our entire government.

Personally I think Russia and China are working together to break us and Obama just sees his opportunity to bring us down to size.


13 posted on 05/07/2014 10:40:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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I wonder if Vietnam will kick China's butt again.

Waiting for the Sinos to come in and say China didn't get it's butt kicked...

5.56mm

14 posted on 05/07/2014 10:43:33 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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Is the Domino effect finally coming home to roost?


15 posted on 05/07/2014 10:50:26 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: mojito
The Chinese would be far more dangerous if they had pursued a peaceful rollup of Southeast Asia. Using their money and military to pull countries under a protection/mutual gain umbrella (like we did with the rest of the world).

The path they've chosen is causing all their neighbors to arm to the teeth and to get into bed with us.
16 posted on 05/07/2014 10:51:22 AM PDT by Daus
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I've always wonder why the Chinese continually bully their neighbors.

It's as thought the concept of “playing nice” was not just foreign to them, but temperamentally impossible for them to comprehend. That old adage about getting more flies with honey than vinegar never seems to have occurred to them.

And they're supposed to be such a brilliant people.

17 posted on 05/07/2014 11:01:21 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: VanDeKoik
I guess I hope they both lose. But I hope the V.Cong takes a bunch of them down before that.

Not likely.If China moves in they won't tiptoe around like Washington ordered our guys to do.They'll come in with guns blazing.Unlike us they won't give a rat's hindquarters about casualties,military or civilian....Vietnamese or Chinese.

18 posted on 05/07/2014 11:07:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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Vietnam won the last war with China. Of course China didn’t give it 100%.


19 posted on 05/07/2014 11:19:25 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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So the Chicoms are doing in the region what Japan did to them in the 1930’s with the “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere”, which is mercantilism & militarism combined.

No discussion yet about Vietnamese hatred for China which goes back thousands of years. For a thousand years Vietnam was a conquered province of the Han Chinese Empire, and it has been over a thousand years since the Vietnamese regained their independence from China, and that is as yet fresh in the collective memory of Vietnam.

Heard this while I was in Vietnam: while Ho Chi Minh & his Viet Minh were fighting the French after WWII, they received an offer of massive military aid from the newly established Communist Chinese regime of Mao Tse-tung.

His top general Vo Nguyen Giap recommended accepting the aid at once as it would tip the balance militarily. Ho Chi Minh exploded in anger:

“Are you out of your mind!!? I would rather smell French s*** for the next ten years than smell Chinese s*** for the next one thousand years!!”


20 posted on 05/07/2014 11:19:58 AM PDT by elcid1970
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“I wonder if Vietnam will kick China’s butt again?”

Possible, but less likely. China’s military is moving away from the large-scale, militia-type force that it had during it’s revolutionary period thru the 1980’s and toward a more modern force.

Last I checked the Vietnamese military was not much more modern than it had been when the Vietnam War ended.

Probably the biggest factor would be the terms of combat: where the fighting takes place and so forth. If it’s an air/naval fight in the South China Sea, bet on China.


21 posted on 05/07/2014 11:22:35 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Daus

They aren’t getting in bed with us, they are arming themselves up.

Most of East Asia isn’t real happy Japan is ramping up.


22 posted on 05/07/2014 11:22:58 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mojito

One party systems need external conflict to distract and contain the disaffected masses. If Dong Sixpack isn’t seething with nationalist rage against Japanese soldiers from 70 years ago, or those pesky Vietnamese, Philippinos, etc., he might just look around and wonder what the Party has done for him lately. Can’t have that.


23 posted on 05/07/2014 11:31:01 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: blueunicorn6

The Chinese have been disliked and distrusted in SE Asia for centuries.


24 posted on 05/07/2014 11:54:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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I do believe that both China and Vietnam still claim to be communist countries.


25 posted on 05/07/2014 12:47:23 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: redgolum
They aren’t getting in bed with us, they are arming themselves up.

Phillipines To Let US Build Military Facilities on Bases
26 posted on 05/07/2014 1:09:03 PM PDT by Daus
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To: autumnraine

Lucky the Chinese didn’t sink the boats and kill the crews. Next time Vietnam will not be so lucky. Maybe the Vietnamese can get the Liberal Left in China to protest—maybe some Chinese Movie Stars could march in Beijing? Kerry could come and link arms in support of Vietnam? It worked on us—but will not work on China.


27 posted on 05/07/2014 1:18:08 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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Thanks mojito.
"On May 4, Chinese ships intentionally rammed two Vietnamese Sea Guard vessels," said Tran Duy Hai, a foreign ministry official and deputy head of Vietnam's national border committee. "Chinese ships, with air support, sought to intimidate Vietnamese vessels. Water cannon was used," he told a news conference in Hanoi. Six other ships were also hit, other officials said, but not as badly.

28 posted on 05/07/2014 2:05:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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