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Obama Climate Rules Can't Wait Until After Election
AP via manufacturing.net ^ | Thu, 05/08/2014 - 8:22am | Josh Lederman, Associated Press

Posted on 05/08/2014 7:13:35 AM PDT by palmer

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But Obama can't wait that long.

Unlike the Keystone XL oil pipeline, whose review the administration has delayed, probably until after November's elections, the clock is ticking for the power plant rules - the cornerstone of Obama's campaign to curb climate change. Unless he starts now, the rules won't be in place before he leaves office, making it easier for his successor to stop them.

So even though the action could bolster Republican attacks against some of this year's most vulnerable Democrats, the administration is proceeding at full speed. Obama's counselor on climate issues, John Podesta, affirmed that the proposal will be unveiled in early June - just as this year's general election is heating up.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; penandphone; yearofaction
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1 posted on 05/08/2014 7:13:35 AM PDT by palmer
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To: palmer

Why the rush? I’m sick and tired of these whinyass, “I want it now” politicians.


2 posted on 05/08/2014 7:17:06 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: palmer

Squirrel!


3 posted on 05/08/2014 7:19:00 AM PDT by 4Liberty (Optimal institutions - optimal economy.)
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To: palmer

My electric co-op sends out little brochures with the bills- you know, those things hardly anybody reads. But I do.

I was amazed to see how virulent they are against the global warning and carbon stuff. They write very strongly about electric rates rising severely. I wish more people read the stuff.


4 posted on 05/08/2014 7:23:08 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: palmer

“Under my plan, electricity costs will necessarily skyrocket.”

— Barry Hussein


5 posted on 05/08/2014 7:24:03 AM PDT by Argus
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To: palmer

Hurry up ... America’s not being destroyed fast enough!


6 posted on 05/08/2014 7:24:17 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: I still care

Our investor owned utility, PG&E, does the exact opposite. They try to convince you to use LESS of their product every year and to install enormously expensive solar on your house. Screw ‘em! Just produce enough electricity day and night to satisfy the demands of the residential, commercial and industrial customers — that’s all we ask.


7 posted on 05/08/2014 7:26:49 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: palmer

This is the link on my electric company’s webpage.

People cannot say they are not being warned.

http://www.nreca.coop/political-action/cooperative-action-network/


8 posted on 05/08/2014 7:30:09 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

See 8.


9 posted on 05/08/2014 7:30:45 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
They try to convince you to use LESS of their product every year and to install enormously expensive solar on your house.

I'm not an advocate of Solar Energy or a "greenie" by any stretch of the imagination --- but have you looked at the cost of solar panels lately?

I have, the prices have crashed. I started looking at them 4 years ago, the same set of solar panels and the kit for them that I can buy today for $400 cost over $2,000 4-5 years ago.

Calculating the number of watts I need to run my house during the day (excluding air conditioning in the summer) I can run my entire house (excluding A/C) on two panels and kits, cost $800 and I can install them myself. Payback period is under 2 years.

That's not bad really. Gets me almost "off the grid" were it not for needing A/C in the summer here.

10 posted on 05/08/2014 7:34:02 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: I still care

My electric coop said the same thing. Of course they had to be politically correct so they said (at the annual meeting) that they would do their best to incorporate small amounts of alternatives into the mix while trying to keep a lid on rates. In Virginia wind and solar stink so they are even more correct about that than say Arizona or Texas.


11 posted on 05/08/2014 7:34:13 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: usconservative
Payback period is under 2 years

Last time I checked, panels were about a buck a watt. Electricity is 12-14 cents around here and panels have a 20% duty cycle in summer, less in winter. Assuming that comes to 2kWh per year for each $1 of panel, that's 7 years at least to break even, probably more like 10.

12 posted on 05/08/2014 7:39:35 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: palmer

Dammit, we can’t wait - we need to destroy jobs NOW!


13 posted on 05/08/2014 7:39:52 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: palmer

Must get these rules in place NOW ,so no future President can change them , Ya Right


14 posted on 05/08/2014 7:44:58 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: palmer
Assuming that comes to 2kWh per year for each $1 of panel, that's 7 years at least to break even, probably more like 10.

Which is why I excluded my A/C in the summer and stated "almost off-grid." If I threw the A/C into the mix I'm betting you're right (or the payback's even longer ....)

My saving grace here in the winter is I heat my home with a woodburner w/convection action built into it. My furnace is primarily backup, so our electrical usage in the winter is pretty low. One TV, one Refrigerator, computer and some lights (which I'm always yelling at the kids to turn off.)

15 posted on 05/08/2014 7:46:13 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: palmer
Here's the line in the article that cught my eye and warmed my cockles:

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— Obama's presidency ends soon after, in January 2017.


16 posted on 05/08/2014 7:46:31 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

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17 posted on 05/08/2014 7:46:46 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: usconservative

Correction: Also would need alot more panels if including the A/C, thereby also driving the cost up and the payback out further ...


18 posted on 05/08/2014 7:48:54 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: palmer

The elite AGW leadership smell blood. A major point of the climate change scam is to politically dis-empower the energy industry by wrecking it.

It’s working.

“Duke Energy lost $97 million in the first quarter after reducing the value of a fleet of coal-fired power plants in the Midwest that it is trying to sell.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/duke-energy-posts-loss-coal-fleet-23619516


19 posted on 05/08/2014 7:54:31 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: usconservative
I think you are correct for assuming summer use is better, but the panels are still only going to produce maybe 25% of their rated power in the summer.

So being optimistic, taking a $1 panel that is rated for 1W, you get 1kWh per 4000 hours (1000 is 25% of 4000). So in a little less than 1/2 of a year you get 14 cents worth of electricity from that $1 investment for one sunny season.

20 posted on 05/08/2014 7:55:57 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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