Posted on 05/09/2014 7:15:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today.
Francis made the appeal during a speech to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the heads of major U.N. agencies who met in Rome this week.
Latin America's first pope has frequently lashed out at the injustices of capitalism and the global economic system that excludes so much of humanity, though his predecessors have voiced similar concerns.
On Friday, Francis called for the United Nations to promote a "worldwide ethical mobilization" of solidarity with the poor in a new spirit of generosity.
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I have been a Catholic all my life. When a new Priest came to our Parish I always cringed when I discovered they were a Jesuit.
It didn't take long for Marxist liberation theology to creep into the Sermons. It was disheartening. I made sure to go to another Mass, one that was not held by a Jesuit trained Priest.
I was raised RC and left the ‘church’ some time ago. The ‘church”. Not it’s teachings. I remember as a little kid in catholic school wondering why the Vatican didn’t ‘redistribute’ all it’s treasures they taught us about when they told us that ‘we’ had to be giving. Seemed like a ‘well it makes sense doesn’t it?” kind of thing even to the mind of a child.
‘Do as I say, not as I do’ is not christian. It is not biblical, it is not rational in a functional capacity. It is to seize power and maintain control. I still very much believe in the basic doctrine of Catholocism. But current Catholics really need to reign in then now wholly out of control leadership that now has more in common with Khrushchev than Christ.
I received an email about 4/5 days ago about this. I just deleted it because I did not think anyone could be that stuck on stupid. Guess I should be paying more attention to them if I could remember what person/group sent it.
some organization got to this pope
the IRS and all income and payroll taxes should be abolished.
govt has no legitimate right whatsoever to tax income.
we need to put the federal govt back in it’s constitutional box and adopt a national sales tax which would be more than adequate to fund it.
Or whatever they have left after the lawsuit payouts and legal defense fees for their corrupt behavior.
After reading that report the other day I had a real eye opening...and felt a genuine disgust I did not think I was still capable of after swimming in the political sewer for so long now. I do not know of any other group outside the Democrat party with that big a per capita ‘issue’.
Your experience(s) have been much more informative than mine and we need to hear more stable critique or assessments such as yours, that do inform. Crisis brings common reactions immediately, rather than more thoughtful, informed considerations that are not based on sheer panic. We are in truly a new age from what I grew up to trust. Thx, very much.
I hope you do get the book. The exerpt I read sounds like you I would think.
Better is a simple, low flat income tax somewhere between 10% - 15%. If it gets off the ground, the Convention of States proposed by the Citizens for Self-Governance may propose a flat income tax.
taxing income ? NO on principle.
however i appreciate your thoughts
Well, you have an interesting argument, but his plain words are the redistribution of wealth. He is also talking about the legitimate redistribution; who determines legitimate? Also, it is really hard to justify the coercive actions of the state to take from some to give to others, with the attendant costs and loss of freedom, and call it "individualist."
Someone needs to point out to this pope that there is no such thing as being “generosity” with other people’s money. That is called Thievery and it earns you nothing but a trip to hell.
If men are to be ‘generous” as we agree they should, then they must do so by virtue of their own freewill not the force that is the State.
IMO, a legitimate federal government is one that is basically limited to protecting our lives and freedoms from without by maintaining a STRONG defense and intelligence community. Protecting our lives and freedoms within our borders is mainly a state judiciary function unless it's a Constitutional issue.
Thou shalt not steal.
“The dogma of papal infallibility only applies when the Pope makes a pronouncement on Church doctrine.
This isn’t Church doctrine. This is a brain-fart that was verbally expressed.”
Us non-Catholics are amused, by the innate ramblings of the nutcase in the Vatican. Perhaps he will decide to show us how its done by being “generous” with the church money. Maybe impose a tax upon all Catholics to pay for that “Generosity”
It won’t save a single soul, for a man who is left with no choice makes no choice to be kind and ‘generous’ to the poor. Nor will the select few politically popular ‘poor’ who recivie this “generosity” of our political leaders be themselves saved in soul, for living on welfare has the strange habit of rotting the soul within you much as it also robs a man of his ambition, spirit, and potential that is otherwise tested and pressed forward with the God given stressful tests of life.
God does not put people into ‘State welfare’ anymore than he makes them the victim of thief and slavery. Man does that to himself and other men, both individually and thou origination sometimes styling themselves as ‘Governments’.
This ‘pope’ of yours makes a mockery of God just as he would make slaves of his people.
“Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s... Caesar did not generate this wealth so why should Caesar take it? Giving to those less fortunate out of charity and generosity is one thing, but to have a corrupt government to forcibly take what people have worked hard to get and give it to people who may not deserve it but have manipulated the system is not charity.”
There is no such thing as charity at the barrel of a gun. That of course includes the Tax man.
I personally couldn’t help but notice the world ‘Legitimate’ I can’t help but think he has been made aware of the numerous Latin american attempts at redistribution who’s results have never been anything but poverty and destitution for all poorest most of all.
The Catholics have a pope that does not understand the underpinnings of economics and comes from a region that already reaps what he continually sews.
the federal govt has got to be severely limited and put back in its constitutional box.
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