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Paul Diverges From His Party Over Voter ID
NYTIMES.COM ^ | MAY 9, 2014 | JEREMY W. PETERS

Posted on 05/10/2014 8:46:41 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta

Senator Rand Paul broke with fellow Republicans by saying that the focus on stricter voting laws to crack down on fraud alienates African-Americans and hurts the party.

“Everybody’s gone completely crazy on this voter ID thing,” Mr. Paul said in an interview. “I think it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people.” ... “The bigger issue actually is whether you get to vote if you have a felony conviction,” he said. “There’s 180,000 people in Kentucky who can’t vote. And I don’t know the racial breakdown, but it’s probably more black than white because they’re convicted felons. And I’m for getting their right to vote back, which is a much bigger deal than showing your driver’s license.” ... Mr. Paul becomes the most prominent member of his party — and among the very few — to distance himself from the voting restrictions and the campaign for their passage in states under Republican control, including North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin, that can determine presidential elections. Civil rights groups call the laws a transparent effort to depress black turnout.

Article Link: Paul Diverges From His Party Over Voter ID - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/us/politics/paul-says-gop-push-on-voting-laws-is-alienating-blacks.html?hp&_r=0)


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionfraud; fraud; voterregistration; votestealing
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ok, it is a hacked up story and probably takes him horribly out of context, but this is disturbing and he needs to clarify.

The second quote about getting felons to vote is even more disturbing to me than the voter ID -- which is very disturbing to me.

I don't care if we hurt the feeling of a bunch of corrupt people. If you are honest, showing an ID to vote shouldn't bother you.

I look at the huge teacher test changing parties that went on in Atlanta, and I immediately wondered if we can ever have an honest election when this many people are willing to cheat.

It really offends me that blacks claim to be offended by voter ID. It actually disgusts me and lowers my opinion of anyone that promotes that.

Anyway, it is also telling that the NYSlimes has shut down comments and seems to have elevated the pro vote fraud comments. You have to hunt down to find the reasonable comments and I don't recommend anyone waste their time even with the article. The important thing is we find out what Ryan is thinking.

1 posted on 05/10/2014 8:46:41 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: FreeAtlanta

Wow. Shortest Presidential campaign ever.


2 posted on 05/10/2014 8:47:51 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I wonder why the “African-Americans” have a problem with showing an I.D. Something stinks here. What are they up to?


3 posted on 05/10/2014 8:49:04 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I never understand this debate about voter ID.

In a world in which you need an ID to get on an airplane, enter a federal building, and to conduct various business transactions, why would that same reasoning not apply to voting????

And, the liberals act as if the Supreme Court didn’t rule that voter ID laws are constitutional. Instead, they continue to bring court cases on these laws in various states, and in some states, liberal judged have set aside voter ID laws, in defiance of the Supreme Court ruling on the subject.

How lower court judges can overturn voter ID laws when the Supreme Court has already ruled on the issue is beyond my pay grade. Has anyone else noticed that? And can anyone explain any legitimate legal reasoning behind this?


4 posted on 05/10/2014 8:50:46 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: FreeAtlanta

Rand Paul...Foot...Gun...Bang!


5 posted on 05/10/2014 8:51:10 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I agree, it is from the nyt and they are probably trying to take him out early. However some clarification from Paul is needed.


6 posted on 05/10/2014 8:51:16 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: FreeAtlanta

Paul needs to stop talking


7 posted on 05/10/2014 8:52:07 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Texas Eagle

An older article still relevant...

Minority turnout increased dramatically after Georgia voter-ID law

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/03/minority-turnout-impacted-by-georgia-voter-id-law/


8 posted on 05/10/2014 8:52:16 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: FreeAtlanta

“I think it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people.”

Well, we sure would hate for anyone to be offended, wouldn’t we. What a joke. He’s worried about offending people who are perpetually offended. That’s weak stuff.


9 posted on 05/10/2014 8:52:42 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Voting early and often.


10 posted on 05/10/2014 8:54:11 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: FreeAtlanta

“...the focus on stricter voting laws to crack down on fraud alienates African-Americans and hurts the party.”

________________________________

HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 05/10/2014 8:54:43 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Senator Paul, illegal aliens are illegal.

Felons are felons - I didn’t make them commit the felony, and I resent that you want to dilute my vote with the vote of a felon.

Voter fraud is fraud - and dilutes the vote of honest voters. Voter fraud is color blind, it dilutes the votes of every person, regardless of race. There is only one reason a person would oppose the elimination of voter fraud...well, besides pandering.

If you are OK with voter fraud, you are opposed all honest voters. You have lost my vote and my support...and that ain’t no fraud or felony!!!


12 posted on 05/10/2014 8:55:22 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: FreeAtlanta

Do the Pope and Rand Paul have the same PR advisors?


13 posted on 05/10/2014 8:56:03 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: FreeAtlanta

OK. So conservatives would vote for Rand Paul why?


14 posted on 05/10/2014 8:56:15 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: FreeAtlanta

And Senator Rand - this will not gain you ONE black vote, not even a fraudulent one!!


15 posted on 05/10/2014 8:56:31 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: FreeAtlanta

This guy is shaping up to take over for John McCain.


16 posted on 05/10/2014 8:58:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

:: I think it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people. ::

OK, if this quote is verifiable, I no longer supprt RP in any way/shape/form and will militate against him (yes, militate is the right term)in all venues.

(On corroboration) Rand Paul is not a patriot and should be shunned and treated as a tax collector and prostitute.
Oh...wait...he’s in WashDC; I am redundant.


17 posted on 05/10/2014 8:59:38 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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To: GilesB

Producing a photo ID alienates those who don’t have a legal right to vote, I’d say. Is it OK to say Rand Paul has his head up his a** on this issue?


18 posted on 05/10/2014 8:59:44 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: GilesB

Yeah, I agree.

For some reason, black have been brain washed or programmed to hate Republicans. Pandering doesn’t help us and probably hurts us with blacks who are free thinkers and already vote or are considering conservative voting.

Pandering definitely hurts with all conservatives.


19 posted on 05/10/2014 9:00:05 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Texas Eagle

> “And I don’t know the racial breakdown, but it’s probably more black than white because they’re convicted felons.”

He just told the truth, insulted them, and lied about how he really felt just to get their vote. Now if that’s not a career politician I don’t know what is...


20 posted on 05/10/2014 9:00:17 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: FreeAtlanta
Against voter ID.
Supports Mitch McChinless. (There is an obsure backdoor family connection.)
Not against amnesty for illegal aliens.
ObamaCare too big to be repealed.

See ya, Rand.

21 posted on 05/10/2014 9:01:18 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

> I wonder why the “African-Americans” have a problem with showing an I.D. Something stinks here. What are they up to?

Maybe they have some outstanding warrants because they didn’t appear in court for EBT fraud that the “man” filed against them to keep them down?


22 posted on 05/10/2014 9:02:32 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: FreeAtlanta

It’s funny how whitey doesn’t seem to have a problem with showing a voter I.D. According to the (WHITE) politicians, it’s only the “African Americans” who are “offended” by it. Hmmmmm.


23 posted on 05/10/2014 9:03:09 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: jsanders2001

Great point. I never thought of that. Arrest warrants.


24 posted on 05/10/2014 9:04:00 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Rand Paul is losing ground fast.

Slip sliding away,
slip sliding away
You know the nearer your destination,
the more you're slip sliding away

25 posted on 05/10/2014 9:04:51 AM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Rand Paul is just another Ron Paul.

Like his father, he is a libertarian without principles.

Or, if you like, just that one basic, selfish libertarian principle: “whatever I want, I get, and nothing can stop me.”


26 posted on 05/10/2014 9:05:23 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Nice link

Tks for posting


27 posted on 05/10/2014 9:07:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: FreeAtlanta
The problem is the ungratefulness African-Americans have for the Republican Party. 400,000 Republicans died in a war to free their ancestors (opposed by Democrats and Whigs, aka, Moderate Republicans). Hundreds more Republicans were harrassed and murdered by the Democrat Military and Domestic Terrorist Arm the KKK.

It was Republicans who helped push the 1965 Civil Rights Act. It was Republican Ronald Reagan who created the economic powerhouse that put AFrican-Americans in the Middle Class (I remember growing up in Mississippi in the 1960s...unless they were a preacher or Mortician, blacks lived in run-down shotgun shacks. In the 1980's they started living in good solid homes in fine neighborhoods).

How does the Black community repay the blood sweat and tears? By turning their back on those who helped them the most, while running into the arms of those whose ancestors murdered their men and raped their women. Every black man and black woman in America needs to clothe themselves in sackcloth and ashes for what they've done to the Republicans.

28 posted on 05/10/2014 9:08:11 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The reason is simple - when fraud is taking place, voters are discouraged and the vote of honest folks is suppressed.

Everyone is concerned about the “chilling effect” requiring ID supposedly causes. Nobody considers the chilling effect fraud has on honest folks.

Are you more or less likely to engage in a game of chance if you know it’s rigged? Are you more or less likely to watch a sporting event if you know it is rigged? (WWE fans are exempt from this question) Are you more or less likely to vote if you know the guy behind you has already voted twice? AND if you know the authorities don’t care...you are even less likely to vote, because you feel impotent.

Suppose you knew the guy behind you was voting for the third time, and mentioned it to the poll officials and they said, “yeah, we know, but we don’t want to cause a fuss”. I know I would walk out in protest.

How many in the black community know about the fraud taking place? Probably most of them, and it keeps the honest ones at home.


29 posted on 05/10/2014 9:08:12 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Amagi

I really hate that Paul is lining up like this. I had a lot of hope for him.


30 posted on 05/10/2014 9:08:19 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

How long before Paul starts chasing the Satanic vote?


31 posted on 05/10/2014 9:11:41 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“I wonder why the “African-Americans” have a problem with showing an I.D. Something stinks here. What are they up to?”

I don’t believe most black people do, it’s their leaders, the democrats and other socialist who “speak for all”. When I was circulating the Voter ID Petition in Mississippi the blacks I presented it to were as likely to sign as anyone else. Most people understand and respond to it being about “one legal voter, one legal vote”.

“What are they up to?” Of course we know those who object to it are the ones who believe they are entitled to steal the close elections.


32 posted on 05/10/2014 9:11:48 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

> Great point. I never thought of that. Arrest warrants.

Well I used to be LEO and whenever I would question someone and ask to see their DL and they had an outstanding warrant either they would act like they were trying to find it and couldn’t, would smack their heads and say I left my wallet at home, or even try to show a fake ID or someone else’s they lifted, especially if they were involved in ID theft / credit card abuse cases. The vast majority of them were black that offered resistance and they weren’t questioned because they were black; it was usually because of suspicious activity and where they were, the time of night, the reputation of the neighborhood, plus the fact that they generally run around and party a lot in general. It wasn’t because I was being racist.


33 posted on 05/10/2014 9:12:41 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: FreeAtlanta

I’m willing to listen to what Rand Paul has to say about this subject.

Why do Blacks oppose showing ID? It makes no sense at all why this upsets African Americans. What’s the big deal about showing ID? Do they all vote 5 or 6 times and don’t want to give that up? I doubt it. They seem to take this very seriously, maybe we should too, and find out what it’s all about.

Dialog never hurt anyone. It can’t hurt to show them (African Americans) that we (Republicans) are willing to listen.


34 posted on 05/10/2014 9:13:20 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: FreeAtlanta

35 posted on 05/10/2014 9:16:12 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
OK, if this quote is verifiable, I no longer supprt RP in any way/shape/form and will militate against him (yes, militate is the right term)in all venues.

(On corroboration) Rand Paul is not a patriot and should be shunned and treated as a tax collector and prostitute. Oh...wait...he’s in WashDC; I am redundant.

Bravo, bears repeating.

I am with you 100%. Rand Paul is just another pandering evil Statist.

36 posted on 05/10/2014 9:17:08 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: FreeAtlanta

This not the first time that Rand Paul has made statements that appear to intentionally separate him from conservative Republicans. He appears to be be posturing as the Republican antidote, neither conservative, nor mainstream.


37 posted on 05/10/2014 9:17:12 AM PDT by Eva
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To: faucetman

Is it really worthwhile to have a dialogue when we already know the answers? Democrats oppose these laws because they make it harder to cheat. Blacks believe anything the Democrats tell them. Not much to really flesh out through talking.


38 posted on 05/10/2014 9:20:07 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Obviously, Senator Paul is trying to win in New Hampshire, where Democrats, "Independents" and people from Taxachusetts decide who wins that State's presidential primary.

He can kiss South Carolina goodbye, or did he already do that?

I suspect the Senator really believes this, but this issue has a lot to do with Thom Tillis winning the North Carolina senatorial primary, Tuesday.

39 posted on 05/10/2014 9:23:18 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: svcw
Paul needs to stop talking

He needs to stop running.

At least until he announces as a Democrat, which is what I think he plans to do.

Everything he has said that runs contrary to conservativism has been said calculatedly, at least IMHO.

Paul isn't a conservative, isn't even a Republican but is running as a pro-drug, pro-amnesty, anti-capitalist, ant-defense panderer.

Paul = the white Obama.

40 posted on 05/10/2014 9:26:19 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: FreeAtlanta

I really like Rand Paul because he stands up agains’t the police state and fights for our personal freedoms. That being said I’m coming to believe he will serve America better in the Senate and someone else should probably be President.


41 posted on 05/10/2014 9:28:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
There is nothing about the color of your skin that influences how you think about eliminating fraud and abuse. Anyone who thinks that it does, is a racist.

Blacks already vote for the Democrat party in the order of 90%. You don't fix that by becoming Democrat light. You fix that by convincing EVERYONE that conservative principles are best for them. Voter fraud is not good for anyone except crooked politicians.

42 posted on 05/10/2014 9:30:00 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Forget about this crackpot. I have heard enough of this idiot. If elected he will be GWB the second.


43 posted on 05/10/2014 9:45:07 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: FreeAtlanta

I totally disagree, but maybe it’s because I’m from FL.

The big issue here is people who vote in two states, or the dead voting. They vote at home and then they vote here. Two places. That’s why FL is a swing state. When we tried to clean up the voting rolls the St Pete Times superlib paper went nuts, ran down the lists until it found a legitmate voter disenfranchised, and went crazy on the story.

But I can tell you any number of folk who keep getting absentee ballots for folks who have been dead a very long time. These dead folks vote forever.

My friend actually had to go submit proof her dad had been dead for years before they finally stopped sending a ballot to her house every year.

And it’s a fine art, the way Dem workers canvas the nursing homes. I STILL REMEMBER (would LOVE to have that clip!) of after George Bush’s contested election, a local newscast of a VERY elderly transient type man saying, “I punched the second hole! That’s what I always do, Punch the second hole like I’m supposed to!”


44 posted on 05/10/2014 9:46:46 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Attention Paulbots: There’s a vacation special just for you.
The mothership is ready for you now.
Pack and leave now.
PLEASE!


45 posted on 05/10/2014 9:48:07 AM PDT by jim999
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To: FreeAtlanta

Two strikes on Rand Paul:

1. Pro-amnesty or wishy-washy at best
2. Anti voter id; not interested in protecting the integrity of electoral system; also wants to give felons the right to vote — bad idea. I do think that the penal system should be reformed where certain felonies can be expunged from the record after a certain period of good behavior. Australia expunges certain records after 10 years of good behavior. I think that is a good idea. However, I do not believe in giving unreconstructed felons the right to vote.


46 posted on 05/10/2014 9:52:40 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
And can anyone explain any legitimate legal reasoning behind this?

There isn't any. This is a blatant move to ensure vote fraud (and voter disenfranchisement) remain SOP.

47 posted on 05/10/2014 9:56:41 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

sounds like the republicans and dems have cut a backroom deal.

The senate takeover with no tossups is now at 50d/50r.

iow no takeover.


48 posted on 05/10/2014 9:58:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Did any of you really believe that the powers behind the throne would give up control of trillion$ without a war?


49 posted on 05/10/2014 10:04:22 AM PDT by jim999
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To: FreeAtlanta

This guy’s got a plan to win...He might succeed...


50 posted on 05/10/2014 10:08:41 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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