Skip to comments.Paul Diverges From His Party Over Voter ID
Posted on 05/10/2014 8:46:41 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
Senator Rand Paul broke with fellow Republicans by saying that the focus on stricter voting laws to crack down on fraud alienates African-Americans and hurts the party.
Everybodys gone completely crazy on this voter ID thing, Mr. Paul said in an interview. I think its wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because its offending people. ... The bigger issue actually is whether you get to vote if you have a felony conviction, he said. Theres 180,000 people in Kentucky who cant vote. And I dont know the racial breakdown, but its probably more black than white because theyre convicted felons. And Im for getting their right to vote back, which is a much bigger deal than showing your drivers license. ... Mr. Paul becomes the most prominent member of his party and among the very few to distance himself from the voting restrictions and the campaign for their passage in states under Republican control, including North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin, that can determine presidential elections. Civil rights groups call the laws a transparent effort to depress black turnout.
Article Link: Paul Diverges From His Party Over Voter ID - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/us/politics/paul-says-gop-push-on-voting-laws-is-alienating-blacks.html?hp&_r=0)
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The second quote about getting felons to vote is even more disturbing to me than the voter ID -- which is very disturbing to me.
I don't care if we hurt the feeling of a bunch of corrupt people. If you are honest, showing an ID to vote shouldn't bother you.
I look at the huge teacher test changing parties that went on in Atlanta, and I immediately wondered if we can ever have an honest election when this many people are willing to cheat.
It really offends me that blacks claim to be offended by voter ID. It actually disgusts me and lowers my opinion of anyone that promotes that.
Anyway, it is also telling that the NYSlimes has shut down comments and seems to have elevated the pro vote fraud comments. You have to hunt down to find the reasonable comments and I don't recommend anyone waste their time even with the article. The important thing is we find out what Ryan is thinking.
Wow. Shortest Presidential campaign ever.
I wonder why the “African-Americans” have a problem with showing an I.D. Something stinks here. What are they up to?
I never understand this debate about voter ID.
In a world in which you need an ID to get on an airplane, enter a federal building, and to conduct various business transactions, why would that same reasoning not apply to voting????
And, the liberals act as if the Supreme Court didn’t rule that voter ID laws are constitutional. Instead, they continue to bring court cases on these laws in various states, and in some states, liberal judged have set aside voter ID laws, in defiance of the Supreme Court ruling on the subject.
How lower court judges can overturn voter ID laws when the Supreme Court has already ruled on the issue is beyond my pay grade. Has anyone else noticed that? And can anyone explain any legitimate legal reasoning behind this?
I agree, it is from the nyt and they are probably trying to take him out early. However some clarification from Paul is needed.
Paul needs to stop talking
An older article still relevant...
Minority turnout increased dramatically after Georgia voter-ID law
I think its wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because its offending people.
Well, we sure would hate for anyone to be offended, wouldn’t we. What a joke. He’s worried about offending people who are perpetually offended. That’s weak stuff.
Voting early and often.
“...the focus on stricter voting laws to crack down on fraud alienates African-Americans and hurts the party.”
Senator Paul, illegal aliens are illegal.
Felons are felons - I didn’t make them commit the felony, and I resent that you want to dilute my vote with the vote of a felon.
Voter fraud is fraud - and dilutes the vote of honest voters. Voter fraud is color blind, it dilutes the votes of every person, regardless of race. There is only one reason a person would oppose the elimination of voter fraud...well, besides pandering.
If you are OK with voter fraud, you are opposed all honest voters. You have lost my vote and my support...and that ain’t no fraud or felony!!!
Do the Pope and Rand Paul have the same PR advisors?
OK. So conservatives would vote for Rand Paul why?
And Senator Rand - this will not gain you ONE black vote, not even a fraudulent one!!
This guy is shaping up to take over for John McCain.
:: I think its wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because its offending people. ::
OK, if this quote is verifiable, I no longer supprt RP in any way/shape/form and will militate against him (yes, militate is the right term)in all venues.
(On corroboration) Rand Paul is not a patriot and should be shunned and treated as a tax collector and prostitute.
Oh...wait...he’s in WashDC; I am redundant.
Producing a photo ID alienates those who don’t have a legal right to vote, I’d say. Is it OK to say Rand Paul has his head up his a** on this issue?
Yeah, I agree.
For some reason, black have been brain washed or programmed to hate Republicans. Pandering doesn’t help us and probably hurts us with blacks who are free thinkers and already vote or are considering conservative voting.
Pandering definitely hurts with all conservatives.
> “And I dont know the racial breakdown, but its probably more black than white because theyre convicted felons.”
He just told the truth, insulted them, and lied about how he really felt just to get their vote. Now if that’s not a career politician I don’t know what is...
See ya, Rand.
> I wonder why the African-Americans have a problem with showing an I.D. Something stinks here. What are they up to?
Maybe they have some outstanding warrants because they didn’t appear in court for EBT fraud that the “man” filed against them to keep them down?
It’s funny how whitey doesn’t seem to have a problem with showing a voter I.D. According to the (WHITE) politicians, it’s only the “African Americans” who are “offended” by it. Hmmmmm.
Great point. I never thought of that. Arrest warrants.
Slip sliding away,
slip sliding away
You know the nearer your destination,
the more you're slip sliding away
Rand Paul is just another Ron Paul.
Like his father, he is a libertarian without principles.
Or, if you like, just that one basic, selfish libertarian principle: “whatever I want, I get, and nothing can stop me.”
Tks for posting
It was Republicans who helped push the 1965 Civil Rights Act. It was Republican Ronald Reagan who created the economic powerhouse that put AFrican-Americans in the Middle Class (I remember growing up in Mississippi in the 1960s...unless they were a preacher or Mortician, blacks lived in run-down shotgun shacks. In the 1980's they started living in good solid homes in fine neighborhoods).
How does the Black community repay the blood sweat and tears? By turning their back on those who helped them the most, while running into the arms of those whose ancestors murdered their men and raped their women. Every black man and black woman in America needs to clothe themselves in sackcloth and ashes for what they've done to the Republicans.
The reason is simple - when fraud is taking place, voters are discouraged and the vote of honest folks is suppressed.
Everyone is concerned about the “chilling effect” requiring ID supposedly causes. Nobody considers the chilling effect fraud has on honest folks.
Are you more or less likely to engage in a game of chance if you know it’s rigged? Are you more or less likely to watch a sporting event if you know it is rigged? (WWE fans are exempt from this question) Are you more or less likely to vote if you know the guy behind you has already voted twice? AND if you know the authorities don’t care...you are even less likely to vote, because you feel impotent.
Suppose you knew the guy behind you was voting for the third time, and mentioned it to the poll officials and they said, “yeah, we know, but we don’t want to cause a fuss”. I know I would walk out in protest.
How many in the black community know about the fraud taking place? Probably most of them, and it keeps the honest ones at home.
I really hate that Paul is lining up like this. I had a lot of hope for him.
How long before Paul starts chasing the Satanic vote?
“I wonder why the African-Americans have a problem with showing an I.D. Something stinks here. What are they up to?”
I don’t believe most black people do, it’s their leaders, the democrats and other socialist who “speak for all”. When I was circulating the Voter ID Petition in Mississippi the blacks I presented it to were as likely to sign as anyone else. Most people understand and respond to it being about “one legal voter, one legal vote”.
“What are they up to?” Of course we know those who object to it are the ones who believe they are entitled to steal the close elections.
> Great point. I never thought of that. Arrest warrants.
Well I used to be LEO and whenever I would question someone and ask to see their DL and they had an outstanding warrant either they would act like they were trying to find it and couldn’t, would smack their heads and say I left my wallet at home, or even try to show a fake ID or someone else’s they lifted, especially if they were involved in ID theft / credit card abuse cases. The vast majority of them were black that offered resistance and they weren’t questioned because they were black; it was usually because of suspicious activity and where they were, the time of night, the reputation of the neighborhood, plus the fact that they generally run around and party a lot in general. It wasn’t because I was being racist.
I’m willing to listen to what Rand Paul has to say about this subject.
Why do Blacks oppose showing ID? It makes no sense at all why this upsets African Americans. What’s the big deal about showing ID? Do they all vote 5 or 6 times and don’t want to give that up? I doubt it. They seem to take this very seriously, maybe we should too, and find out what it’s all about.
Dialog never hurt anyone. It can’t hurt to show them (African Americans) that we (Republicans) are willing to listen.
(On corroboration) Rand Paul is not a patriot and should be shunned and treated as a tax collector and prostitute. Oh...wait...hes in WashDC; I am redundant.
Bravo, bears repeating.
I am with you 100%. Rand Paul is just another pandering evil Statist.
This not the first time that Rand Paul has made statements that appear to intentionally separate him from conservative Republicans. He appears to be be posturing as the Republican antidote, neither conservative, nor mainstream.
Is it really worthwhile to have a dialogue when we already know the answers? Democrats oppose these laws because they make it harder to cheat. Blacks believe anything the Democrats tell them. Not much to really flesh out through talking.
He can kiss South Carolina goodbye, or did he already do that?
I suspect the Senator really believes this, but this issue has a lot to do with Thom Tillis winning the North Carolina senatorial primary, Tuesday.
He needs to stop running.
At least until he announces as a Democrat, which is what I think he plans to do.
Everything he has said that runs contrary to conservativism has been said calculatedly, at least IMHO.
Paul isn't a conservative, isn't even a Republican but is running as a pro-drug, pro-amnesty, anti-capitalist, ant-defense panderer.
Paul = the white Obama.
I really like Rand Paul because he stands up agains’t the police state and fights for our personal freedoms. That being said I’m coming to believe he will serve America better in the Senate and someone else should probably be President.
Blacks already vote for the Democrat party in the order of 90%. You don't fix that by becoming Democrat light. You fix that by convincing EVERYONE that conservative principles are best for them. Voter fraud is not good for anyone except crooked politicians.
Forget about this crackpot. I have heard enough of this idiot. If elected he will be GWB the second.
I totally disagree, but maybe it’s because I’m from FL.
The big issue here is people who vote in two states, or the dead voting. They vote at home and then they vote here. Two places. That’s why FL is a swing state. When we tried to clean up the voting rolls the St Pete Times superlib paper went nuts, ran down the lists until it found a legitmate voter disenfranchised, and went crazy on the story.
But I can tell you any number of folk who keep getting absentee ballots for folks who have been dead a very long time. These dead folks vote forever.
My friend actually had to go submit proof her dad had been dead for years before they finally stopped sending a ballot to her house every year.
And it’s a fine art, the way Dem workers canvas the nursing homes. I STILL REMEMBER (would LOVE to have that clip!) of after George Bush’s contested election, a local newscast of a VERY elderly transient type man saying, “I punched the second hole! That’s what I always do, Punch the second hole like I’m supposed to!”
Attention Paulbots: There’s a vacation special just for you.
The mothership is ready for you now.
Pack and leave now.
Two strikes on Rand Paul:
1. Pro-amnesty or wishy-washy at best
2. Anti voter id; not interested in protecting the integrity of electoral system; also wants to give felons the right to vote — bad idea. I do think that the penal system should be reformed where certain felonies can be expunged from the record after a certain period of good behavior. Australia expunges certain records after 10 years of good behavior. I think that is a good idea. However, I do not believe in giving unreconstructed felons the right to vote.
There isn't any. This is a blatant move to ensure vote fraud (and voter disenfranchisement) remain SOP.
sounds like the republicans and dems have cut a backroom deal.
The senate takeover with no tossups is now at 50d/50r.
iow no takeover.
Did any of you really believe that the powers behind the throne would give up control of trillion$ without a war?
This guy’s got a plan to win...He might succeed...