Posted on 05/12/2014 8:12:34 AM PDT by mgist
Why did you create “injection clinics” at all?
Junkie culture exists because of heroin, not because it is illegal, junkie culture won’t disappear just because you tell them they can carry it in their pocket now, and buy it at the 7-11.
I don’t know why you think legalizing all drugs and all future drugs, and drug cocktails, and marketing and advertising them and the new drug combos will result in a more “fixed” in place percentage, that will thin itself out through deaths and overdoses.
We’ve spent billions protecting fools from the Darwinian consequences of their personal choices and lost a good bit of the Constitution in the process. Screw ‘em; put a 55-gallon drum of heroin and/or crack on every street corner and wait six months. Problem solved and society improved.
It’s just the way life works.
The four choices (really three, but for the sake of explaining my thoughts to you...) if heroine is legalized:
(1) Try and at some point, die from it.
(2) Try and not die, remain lifetime addict.
(3) Try, not die, then choose to quit because it is a waste of their life.
(4) Never try it, never die from it, never get addicted to it.
Look at smoking. Many have stopped smoking because it wastes their money, shortens their lives, and makes their life insurance higher. The very same effect will apply to heroine, except heroine is actually less addictive than nicotine.
Plus, if you do your research, even with the illegal use, gigantic police budgets to combat drug use, and all the deaths, in monetary considerations, alcohol is the most expensive drug ever. Opiate users don’t even mildly compare!
Make it legal, and the junky community aspect will fall apart. It won’t be cool any more. It will just be one more thing you can now destroy yourself with legally. Natural social deterrent.
Your nightmare scenario of most of the population of the US becoming heroine users is completely unfounded. Even with the coolness factor among junkies, heroine, while very popular in that community, is nothing as bad as alcohol.
We will have more junkies, not fewer.
Also, don’t start making bald faced lies, and phony positions, “Your nightmare scenario of most of the population of the US becoming heroine users is completely unfounded.”
You made that up out of thin air, you showed your true level of intellect trying that stunt.
I wouldn’t mind them repealing the 2005 Andro ban. That was grade A idiocy there...
Years ago, I'd wager we had a much more moral population. Decades of laws trumping morality have damaged the moral compass of large segments of the population enough that compared to the times when we had no drug laws, no open homosexuality, little birth out of wedlock, and single mothers were known as "widows", I can't honestly say I expect similar behaviour today to what happened then.
We also didn’t have all problems, all at once, like opium dens in 1775 Virginia, instead of 1875 in San Francisco.
Bald face lie? You really think every American in the USA is going to become a heroine junky? That’s a bald faced lie. I am not sure why you can’t look at prohibition and see what a disaster it is. Or look at the cartels pulling in Billions in Mexico, all because we as a people like to pretend that human behaviour as regards feel-good chemicals can be regulated.
You are the one attempting to deceive others, but even worse, you have already lied to yourself.
You are so obsessed with taking other people’s freedoms because you are afraid they will make bad decisions, and therefore shouldn’t be able to make such decisions, because that decision may not be yours, that you can’t see you are basically a tyrant in waiting.
Arguing with you is pointless, as you have already decided, without researching the subject. If you will note, heroine is now becoming the go-to drug of choice for older adults, because prescription opiates are being tightly controlled. So case in point: heroine use is really opiate use, and it appears to be a somewhat constant level, it’s just shifting out of the legal pain killers market, and into the illegal heroine market, because illegal stuff turns out to be cheaper and easier to get! But remember the key is SHIFT. There is not much evidence that opiate use is dramatically increasing, the demand is just shifting the cheapest and easiest to get option.
But you are set on your opinion as being the law of the land, so hey, “Imagine” you are the tyrant who would take everyone’s freedoms to control the consumption behaviour of just a few people.
What are you going to do when something better than opiates, cocaine, crack, ice, meth, and every other dramatically powerful drug is supplanted by simple to download code to a neural interface in your brain? Or virtual reality sex through neural interfaces? Will tyrant Ansel12 also outlaw that as well, simple data exchange? It’s coming, get used to it. May as well let the opiates have their last hurrah.
If you aren’t lying, then show me the quotes.
It is amusing to see such a passionate heroin promoter on FR, and him raging along as though it being against the law is some new, crazy idea from a fringe candidate or something.
A concern is that what I am hearing and what the official story is, are not exactly coinciding.
That anyone in their right mind would open the market to any more addictive and destructive drugs, especially ones with such a horrible track record is amazing to me.
Alcohol, cigarettes bad, but heroin OK? Really??
Not long after the Great Society kicked in, smack became a tool of destroying entire black communities (not being racist, that just seemed to be the place it hit hardest). With the erosion of the family values in those communities by welfare and the absolution of responsibility and stripping of authority of males in the community, the destruction was devastating in a social sense.
Now, other demographics family values have been subject to attack in pop culture, and the Caucasian male has been torn down on TV and by the constant meme of 'evil white male', so maybe the reintroduction of Heroin to the streets is designed to perform similar destruction in a white community with its family values eroded by divorce, unemployment, and dependency on the State. It would be coming at a time when many people's self-respect is at a low, and that is fertile ground to grow addiction in.
These things do have a pattern, and although it is stretched out over decades, it seems to be repeating, (not that any community will be well served by the reintroduction of smack).
The other addictive drugs have their target demographics: cocaine was for yuppies, MDMA for ravers and the young club set, crack was more of a street drug, Meth--any fool who would want to go faster.
LSD and mushrooms for those who wanted to be elsewhere...
Turn all that loose on a youthful population with little moral guidance from official sources, and who isn't in rehab or addicted will be struggling to keep their family clean, their neighborhood decent, and their self, family, and stuff safe.
No good would come of it, but drug lords and those on the take would get rich.
Having witnessed the destruction wrought, I wonder how any moral person could claim legalizing and taxing it (thus building government on the abject and avoidable suffering of others--if not the addicts, then those around them) is a good idea.
Those dealing it are the ones who gain, deal with them in the most harsh terms. For the users, rehab can take a year or more if successful. That is going to outweigh the gains, because the addicts aren't going to be the ones picking up the tab.
Libertarianism is the childish fantasy of just ignoring all drugs, those that exist, those that cartels and laboratories and garage chemists can up with in the future, and any combination they can come up with, and also the free marketing and advertising of those drugs.
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