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Tomorrow’s Stealthy Subs Could Sink America’s Navy
The Daily Beast ^ | 05.12.14 | Bill Sweetman

Posted on 05/12/2014 8:51:01 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 05/12/2014 8:51:01 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"America's stealthy sub killers of tomorrow could destroy any threat to America's Navy"

There, I have my own headline and it is just as valid as the articles title. Maybe's and could be's and crystal ball gazing, for every turn of technology there is a flip side.

2 posted on 05/12/2014 8:57:28 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

Sure, if Obama would stop the cuts.


3 posted on 05/12/2014 9:00:07 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Mastador1

Maybe. But I have a feeling after watching the F35 debacle, that the American MIC seems to be getting lazy, fattening up on big over-wrought and over-paid government defense contracts for what basically amounts to has-been junk.

Our military industrial complex has a superiority complex, and just like with the Germans in WWII, it’s going to take a painful reminder to get the MIC back on task.

Meanwhile everyone else sees our systems as the target to exceed. Computing power has gotten to the point, along with consumer level software, that the big advances we used our huge edge in computing power to achieve, is now accessible by our allies and enemies.

Funny thing is, the solution is not more money, it’s actually less. This market needs to get much more competitive.


4 posted on 05/12/2014 9:10:46 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Olog-hai

Congress holds the purse strings.


5 posted on 05/12/2014 9:17:51 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

Right. They’re only letting Obama “borrow” them for now.


6 posted on 05/12/2014 9:26:25 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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7 posted on 05/12/2014 9:28:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This, the threat from the modern diesels, is an extremely serious problem. But our problem is more institutional and political than it is technological.

In the cold war, this would have been a problem that was worked on and solved.

Now it is a tech backwater project. And the Navy is focused on advancing homosexuality, man weddings at the Naval Academy, improving the moonpig F-35, buying littoral combat ships that are a step backwards, etc.
And ASW has been gutted, the P-8 is great for program officers, but it is as big a loser as the F-35.

Its a fact that our ASW capability is far less than it was in 1991. And the threat is more dangerous.

But our problem is philosophical, not technological.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 9:28:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The P-8A also has no MAD system.


9 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:39 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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. . . Navy is focused on advancing homosexuality, man weddings at the Naval Academy, . . .

Yeah you hit the nail in the head with that, but F-35 is not moonpig because even Israeli air force ordered so many it.

10 posted on 05/12/2014 10:25:40 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: Mastador1

and then their’s this “An Iranian stealth submarine sinks before targeting a mock US carrier in an a naval exercise”

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/672198221/m/1360087113001


11 posted on 05/12/2014 10:37:44 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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Can U.S. satellites shadow submarines?

http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2012/08/satellite-detection-of-submarines.html

12 posted on 05/12/2014 10:58:34 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: jyro

That’s what they get for opening the window.


13 posted on 05/12/2014 11:09:16 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Aqua225

No matter what the technology is, nation needs to be lucky (ala favored by God). I remember reading about Midway when the Japanese sent all their search planes out after shooting down the first attacking American planes. All of them except one reported no US fleet, but the one that did no report in had had a broken radio and spotted the US carriers. The lack of report of US carriers nearby and the need to continue to bomb Midway Island caused the Japanese carrier commander to order the Japanese planes on the carrier deck to change from anti ship ordnance to HE ordnance used to bomb bunkers and facilities. In the middle of changing ordnance the next massive wave of American planes launched from the American carriers arrived and caught most of the Japanese planes on deck in the middle of rearming. All is needed to destroy or badly damage a Japanese carrier was one hit on all the planes on deck igniting a chain reaction. The rest is history. Luck or IMHO God hand played a role.
Today with the US living a licentious lifestyle and celebrating sodomy, thus mocking God, God does not take it well. The US alreay got nailed on 9/11 and seven years later suffered a financial meltdown. Have we repented as a nation. No. Well all that military technological superiority means nothing if every operation at the critical moment goes wrong and luck rests with the enemy. IAW if God turns against you, no matter what you use or do, you are FUBARed.


14 posted on 05/12/2014 11:09:48 PM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Like the “Salesman of the Century”

Guy is pushing a ‘stealth’ tank and going around giving speeches, getting people ready for the event, finally goes to the Pentagon, gets all the brass out on the North Parking lot to unveil his ‘new tank’.

Everyone gathers round, he says bring it on....there is silence and then a slight clunk, more silence and you can hear brakes release.

How is that? He said.

WOW said the Generals, I can’t see anything.

That is right Gentleman, can’t see anything. How many should I sign you up for.

YOU know that is a true story because that is how they foisted health care and Global whatever they are calling it these days on us.


15 posted on 05/12/2014 11:10:22 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak.".)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The title is incorrect.
“Tomorrow’s Stealthy Subs Could Sink America’s Navy”
It must read:
“Yesterday’s Subs Could Sink America’s Navy”
During war games Type 206/209 submarines killed many times US carriers and destroyers.
E.g. search for RIMPAC and “Chang Bogo” or U24 and Enterprise.


16 posted on 05/13/2014 12:40:26 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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“The P-8A also has no MAD system.”

That makes sense because the P-8/B737 is flying much to high (30,000 ft) for proper use of MAD sensor.

Btw, Indian P-8s are equipped with MAD. Maybe Indian P-8 will fly lower at 5,000 ft but then a turboprop engine would be the better choice...

The P-8 is faster than the P-3 but what about time on station? At 1,200 nm both aircraft have about the same loiter time (check out official B737 documentation for business jets with additional tanks). Additionally a P-3 could shut down the two outboard engines to save fuel.


17 posted on 05/13/2014 12:57:13 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

But the real question is, What are our Armed Forces doing to promote social justice, reproductive rights, and the LBGT community? LOL This is a very fascinating article. Thank you! I have been carefully watching, with some pleasure the diesel electric resurgence.


18 posted on 05/13/2014 1:55:32 AM PDT by golux
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To: Jeff Head

PING


19 posted on 05/13/2014 3:49:34 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Fee

I fully agree with your post.


20 posted on 05/13/2014 3:58:11 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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