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We Kill People Based on Metadata, Admits Former CIA/NSA Boss
New American ^ | Tuesday, 13 May 2014 11:00 | Alex Newman

Posted on 05/13/2014 4:04:19 PM PDT by robowombat

“We Kill People Based on Metadata,” Admits Former CIA/NSA Boss Written by Alex Newman

font size decrease font size increase font size Print E-mail “We Kill People Based on Metadata,” Admits Former CIA/NSA Boss Essentially confessing to mass murder and multiple other crimes, retired Gen. Michael Hayden, the former boss of both the NSA and the CIA, admitted that the Obama administration has been murdering people around the world based solely on the so-called metadata collected by U.S. intelligence agencies. The controversial insider’s remarks confirmed growing fears and warnings by critics of the out-of-control federal government that, despite efforts to downplay its unconstitutional spying and assassination programs, Americans have much to be concerned about.

Hayden, a retired general and operative for the globalist Council on Foreign Relations, led the National Security Agency starting under the Clinton administration until 2005 — the same NSA that whistleblower Edward Snowden had recently exposed lawlessly spying on Americans in violation of federal law and the U.S. Constitution. Before taking over in 2006 at the Central Intelligence Agency — the outfit that has carried out much of the federal mass-murder via drone program — Hayden oversaw the massive expansion of NSA’s targeting of Americans.

While credible analysts and critics widely suspect federal officials are still hiding the truth, proponents of the illegal NSA espionage schemes tried to downplay its actions as the “mere” collection of metadata, rather than the actual content of calls and e-mails. Thanks to Hayden’s remarks last month at Johns Hopkins University’s Foreign Affairs Symposium, though, Americans can begin to understand the enormity of the danger — even in the unlikely event that authorities are telling the truth about how far the assaults on constitutionally protected privacy rights actually extend.

“We kill people based on metadata,” Hayden admitted. The startling confession, which has sparked headlines around the world, came after Hayden agreed with another participant at the symposium that metadata can reveal “everything” about a surveillance target. The other participant, Georgetown University Law Center professor David Cole, had quoted NSA General Counsel Stewart Baker as saying, “Metadata absolutely tells you everything about somebody’s life. If you have enough metadata, you don’t really need content.”

Hayden agreed, calling the description on the usefulness of metadata “absolutely correct.” Elements of the NSA’s Orwellian, Fourth Amendment-shredding espionage regime targeting hundreds of millions of Americans officially came to light after former contractor Snowden leaked documents about it. The revelations sparked a massive public outcry, which officials tried to downplay by claiming that the only information being collected on Americans without warrants or even probable cause was metadata. That collected data, though, includes details such as who is communicating, when, where, for how long, with whom, and more.

Of course, it is now public knowledge that the Obama administration has murdered thousands of people around the world including women, children, and even an American teenager, using its drones and missiles. In fact, the White House even claims to believe it has the legal authority to murder its victims despite never charging or prosecuting them for a crime — much less securing a conviction in a court of law. Immediately following the shocking admission and a brief pause, though, Hayden tried to suggest that the mass-murder program relying on metadata does not apply domestically.

“But that’s not what we do with this metadata,” the former CIA and NSA boss said after pausing for a moment, perhaps realizing the gravity of the admission he had just made. “It’s really important to understand the program in its entirety, not the potentiality of the program, but how the program is actually conducted.” In other words, after admitting that the federal government murders people based on metadata — can you imagine if Putin admitted doing that? — Hayden quickly tried to claim that the information collected on Americans is not used for that purpose. At least not yet.

It was not clear whether such data played a role in Obama’s selection of the multiple Americans, including a 16-year-old boy in Yemen looking for his father, murdered by drone thus far. At the event, the ex-CIA and -NSA boss then continued trying to soothe public fears over the awesome powers usurped by the federal government.

According to Hayden’s version, the NSA has been obtaining phone records from companies since October of 2001. Much of the unconstitutional snooping regime has been justified under the misnamed “Patriot” Act. The NSA then “puts them in a lockbox” that is supposedly “under very strict limitations” in terms of access. Hayden then gave a hypothetical example of how a phone number connected to a supposed “terrorist” could be checked with lawlessly collected metadata to supposedly advance “national security.”

“What it cannot do are all those things that ... allows someone to create your social network, your social interactions, your patterns of behavior,” Hayden continued after dropping the bombshell confession. “One could make the argument that could be useful, [or] that could be illegal, but it’s not done. In this debate, it’s important to distinguish what might be done with what is being done.” With NSA bosses having been exposed lying even to lawmakers under oath, however, analysts say taking them at their word would be foolish at best.

Of course, the cat Hayden let out of the bag on metadata being used to select murder targets was not entirely a surprise to analysts who have been closely following developments in the growing cloud of scandal surrounding the NSA. In February, journalists Glen Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill, citing Snowden’s leaks and comments by U.S. officials, had reported essentially the same thing: that metadata collected by the NSA is used to pick targets for extermination. Numerous innocent people have “absolutely” been killed under the program, according to a former drone operator quoted in their Intercept report.

In reality, since no trials were ever conducted and all people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, critics say all of the victims thus far have been innocent — at least as far as the law is concerned. Estimates suggest thousands of people from Pakistan and Yemen to Afghanistan and Somalia — many of them simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, known as “collateral damage” — have been murdered by drones so far. Obama personally approves each assassination, the Nobel Peace Prize recipient confessed publicly.

Despite officials hiding behind the half-baked veneer of the terror war, the details and admissions offered by Hayden should be extremely alarming to everyday Americans. Indeed, in recent years, the federal government has produced official documents claiming that essentially anyone with an opinion it disagrees with may be a potential “terrorist.” That includes pro-life activists, liberty lovers, constitutionalists, libertarians, conservatives, Christians, environmentalists, states’ rights proponents, advocates for national sovereignty, veterans, Orthodox Jews, and more.

While the NSA lawlessly gathers the data, the CIA has been leading much of the assassination program. As The New American reported in 2011, the agency’s mass-murder-via-drone program accelerated quickly under the Obama administration as victims from Africa to Asia were executed by missiles dropped from the sky. Even Americans are fair game, the administration claims. The developments were so extreme that a former senior intelligence official told the Washington Post that the CIA had been turned into “one hell of a killing machine.” Critics said that in addition to a brazen violation of the U.S. Constitution, the global murder programs may constitute war crimes as well.

In his May 10 report about the symposium and Hayden’s admission there, Georgetown University’s Cole noted that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have come together to rein in some of the worst NSA abuses uncovered thus far. The effort, which would put a few tepid restrictions on the NSA’s ability to continue violating Americans’ rights, is known as the “USA Freedom Act.” However, he added in the New York Review of Books, much more needs to be done to properly deal with the issue. “The biggest mistake any of us could make would be to conclude that this bill solves the problem,” Cole said. Photo of Michael Hayden: National Security Law Journal

Alex Newman is a correspondent for The New American, covering economics, education, politics, and more. He can be reached at anewman@thenewamerican.com. Follow him on Twitter @ALEXNEWMAN_JOU.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cfr; cia; counterterrorism; hayden; killlist; metadata; michaelhayden; nsa; nsascandal
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1 posted on 05/13/2014 4:04:19 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Fast forward 10 years: "Back in 2014, we killed a "Freeper", named robowombat based on the metadata he collected from far-right, extremist websites that believed in the outdated Constitution, freedom, and other subversive beliefs".
3 posted on 05/13/2014 4:09:09 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: robowombat

These are actually very intelligent people. Imagine if they actually did something productive instead of Stasi crap.

(I know, I know. If we only knew what they really did for us behind the scenes... Jack Bauer..Enemies are everywhere, if you see something say something, have a “go bag”, have a communication plan, terror terror terror.)


4 posted on 05/13/2014 4:10:01 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: robowombat

Why of course...

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance” AND KILL YOU BASED ON METADATA.

CAPS MINE


5 posted on 05/13/2014 4:10:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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6 posted on 05/13/2014 4:12:07 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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7 posted on 05/13/2014 4:12:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: robowombat

No surprise. The whole world’s known this for a long time.


8 posted on 05/13/2014 4:12:44 PM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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Reminder to increase my daily dosage of meta-blockers.


9 posted on 05/13/2014 4:14:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

“You’ll never find us, but victim or perpetrator, if your number’s up... we’ll find you”.


10 posted on 05/13/2014 4:17:03 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: robowombat

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11 posted on 05/13/2014 4:17:51 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: robowombat

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12 posted on 05/13/2014 4:20:16 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Gene Eric

“Reminder to increase my daily dosage of meta-blockers.”

Meta-blockers come in various sizes (calibers)...fire on before being fired upon!


13 posted on 05/13/2014 4:20:40 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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14 posted on 05/13/2014 4:22:28 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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15 posted on 05/13/2014 4:26:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator. - - Freeper Balding_Eagle)
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To: robowombat; null and void; GeronL; Gene Eric
Support the 4TH, 5TH, and 6TH Amendments: Disband the NSA & CIA!
16 posted on 05/13/2014 4:26:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Oh Newman!


17 posted on 05/13/2014 4:32:33 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: robowombat

Nick Fury: The 21st century is a digital book and HYDRA learned how to read it.
...
Nick Fury: We’re gonna neutralize a lot of threats before they even happen.
Captain America/Steve Rogers: I thought the punishment usually came after the crime.


18 posted on 05/13/2014 4:40:59 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DCBryan1
What's all this NSA data collection about?
It's about using the collected metadata to build social networks.

The NSA has been creating maps of American citizens' social networks

Why do they want to do that?
What could social networks be used for in the hands of government? Consider:

Using Metadata to Find Paul Revere

How will such capabilities be used now?
How They Hunt


Is it already too late?...

19 posted on 05/13/2014 4:47:45 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: robowombat

The targets were killed because they’re terrorists.

The way you stop terrorists from finding a safe place to hide is to harm or kill those providing safe haven and protection to the terrorists.

This is how the U.S. has always dealt with pirates. It is appropriate for us to deal with terrorists in the same manner.

Does anyone have a problem with this?


20 posted on 05/13/2014 4:55:57 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

Kinda curious, how did Obama win your trust?


21 posted on 05/13/2014 5:06:16 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SatinDoll
Does anyone have a problem with this?

I have a problem with killing US Citizens without due process.

22 posted on 05/13/2014 5:12:49 PM PDT by IamConservative
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bkmk


23 posted on 05/13/2014 5:24:21 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: SatinDoll

Actually, yes, some SERIOUS problems, in that fedgov will NOT RESTRAIN ITSELF and limit targets to what they SHOULD be. They are all too willing to obey Obummer and spy on/target/kill because HE said so. Because his targeting list supercedes the clear language of the Constitution and other, legitimate laws of the Land.

Better question would be: why don’t you HAVE a problem with it???!!!???


24 posted on 05/13/2014 5:27:21 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: SatinDoll

Problem? Naw! Just go around killing Americans who fit a certain profile. Most of them are likely to be guilty of something.


25 posted on 05/13/2014 5:31:56 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee please come home we miss you! ~ Þ)
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To: robowombat
And you guys thought those of us in the US had it bad living with this pack of scoundrels and thieves in DC. The poor foreigners have hellfire missiles raining down on them. No wonder Russia is jamming the GPS over their land. Expect the rest of the civilized world to follow.
26 posted on 05/13/2014 6:03:12 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Is there anything to prevent employers from deciding not to give you a job or fire you because of what they learn about you from analyzing metadata?

Might insurance companies raise your rates or not insure you because of what metadata tells them about you (e.g., he buys a six pack of bud every few days at the supermarket, so he’s a high drunk driving risk)?

Might banks charge more to loan you money, or not loan you money at all based on what they find out about you?


27 posted on 05/13/2014 6:06:50 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: SatinDoll
Does anyone have a problem with this?

Only the hundreds of innocents who were murdered because your leader, the Great Emperor Zero, decided to fire hell fire missiles even though innocent civilians were present. GWB never okay-ed that kind of drone firing.

28 posted on 05/13/2014 6:07:12 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: robowombat

I sure hope they are.


29 posted on 05/13/2014 6:12:50 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: SatinDoll

“The targets were killed because they’re terrorists.

The way you stop terrorists from finding a safe place to hide is to harm or kill those providing safe haven and protection to the terrorists.

This is how the U.S. has always dealt with pirates. It is appropriate for us to deal with terrorists in the same manner.

Does anyone have a problem with this?”

Evidently, a fair number of forum members have qualms.

First, win the war. Then, worry about morality.

Anybody who believes it’s more important to be moral, than to win, has it backwards.

If we don’t win the war, it doesn’t matter if we’ve been moral or not. Because we won’t survive long enough to be moral, or immoral, or anything.


30 posted on 05/13/2014 6:22:00 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: robowombat

YouTube, 4 min:

Senator Cruz has to ask Holder FOUR TIMES if Holder considers it legal and OK to DroneBlast an American’s a$$ out of a Starbucks INSIDE of the USA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-e0OiCuBYI

FOUR TIMES he had to ask.


31 posted on 05/13/2014 6:23:24 PM PDT by gaijin
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You have to admit, the question was a bit vague. He didn’t even say if the American was a republican or democrat.


32 posted on 05/13/2014 7:01:24 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee please come home we miss you! ~ Þ)
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To: schurmann

You’re kind is winning the war alright. You have the Constitutional Republic on its knees.


33 posted on 05/13/2014 7:16:00 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97

First time I’ve seen the reverse misspelling of the word your.
You’re like one in a trillion.


34 posted on 05/13/2014 7:22:45 PM PDT by txhurl (Trump/Cruz '16, and everybody else for Cabinet members.)
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To: txhurl

Ah. Auto correct on my phone got ahead of itself.


35 posted on 05/13/2014 7:30:47 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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36 posted on 05/13/2014 8:01:50 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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37 posted on 05/13/2014 8:02:21 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void

The pogroms just keep on coming


38 posted on 05/13/2014 8:08:46 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nachum

The old expression was: “Stop! You’re killing me!” Usually told in the context of joke-telling.

Now the expression will become: “Stop the metadata! Obama is trying to kill me.” Told in the context of murderous Federal Oppression.


39 posted on 05/13/2014 8:09:33 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: robowombat

Good Lord, this was the plot line of tonight’s “Person of Interest” TV show.


40 posted on 05/13/2014 8:49:16 PM PDT by miele man
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Ping.

Thanks, Nully and Nachum.

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41 posted on 05/13/2014 8:58:45 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: SatinDoll
Define Terrorist:
A person who uses Terrorism in the pursuit of political aims. O.E.D

Define Terrorism:
The Unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and Intimidation in the pursuit of of Political aims. O.E.D

So Congress has authorized the use of Drones to kill person or persons unknown, without a court appearance both domestic and abroad , have they?

If Yes, this is an undeclared act of War against a sovereign nation.
If No, these are acts of Terrorism.

To give an example:
I use the web site known as FreeRepublic.
This in Obummers eyes is “counter Revolutionary” .
He gives the CIA the nod to launch a Drone attack.
Success or failure somebody is now Dead without due process of Law, in a country where state execution has been outlawed for 50+ years.
If my country hasn't authorized this action, which it legally can't ,it is an act of War.
As far as i’m concerned it is Terrorism, either way.
Now install this in an unstable middle eastern mind.....

Aiding and abetting the illegal actions of obarry is a terrorist action, by definition.
Use of Drones in a field of combat is one thing ,to use them against unarmed civilians going about their lawful business is quite another.
See how easy it is for an out of control ‘Terrorist in chief’ to create a whole new world of hurt for the American people.

Death without trial by a foreign totalitarian regime....charming.

42 posted on 05/14/2014 1:49:27 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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To: LucyT; null and void
Obama: I’m ‘really good at killing people’
43 posted on 05/14/2014 2:56:06 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: robowombat

No telling what else the cia/nsa can do.Wonder if they do this? Supposedly, this is from Snowden. I just picked it off of today’s American Thinker.If nothing else it sure makes you think.

“Worse than you think.

Hawaii, December 31, 2013
Transcript Courtesy Edward Snowden

VALERIE JARRETT: We’re arriving at Dulles around noon with your double, Barack.
OBAMA: A shame we gotta play these games just so I can kick back on the beach another week with the family.
JAY CARNEY: Reporters returning to Washington with us haven’t tumbled to the switch, sir.
JARRETT: Just received word, Barack. The Service has finished establishing a 25 square mile exclusion zone around the beach compound. Locals were temporarily relocated to Oahu as a, uh, precautionary measure to ensure privacy for Michelle and the girls during their extended stay without you.
JAY CARNEY: The Oval Office mock-up in the spare cottage
is set, sir. Later on, you’ll deliver that three minute statement I prepared about the need for everybody to be reasonable about the budget.
OBAMA: I can handle that.
CARNEY: We’ll pass out stills of your lookalike pacing the floor in the Residence, phone in hand, working legislators. At my press
briefings, I’ll say you’re reaching out to the principals in an effort to keep fiscal disaster at bay.
OBAMA: I am?
CARNEY: Sort of, in a secondhand way. Your impersonator will place dozens of calls to Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Reid, Hoyer and others, breaking the connection before any substantive discussion ensues.
JARRETT: Jay, call Jill Abramson at the Times. Tell her the president wants an editorial next Tuesday about GOP unseriousness.
OBAMA: The losers. Hey Miche, how about another Blue Hawaii, easy on the vodka. Forget the little umbrella.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/inside_the_obama_frat_house_comments.html#disqus_thread


44 posted on 05/14/2014 3:09:00 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: schurmann
First, win the war. Then, worry about morality.

If you define the war as EVERYONE that means us harm then the war will never be over. And it can be used to justify ANYTHING. The 'war' has not victory condition short of depopulating most of the earth (the more you kill the more enemies you make). It isn't sustainable unless we want to be a police state at war with the rest of the world. That is what you are proposing we be, FOREVER.
45 posted on 05/14/2014 5:29:12 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: robowombat

IOW, they’re keeping score cards on us and send in the drones or Breitbartize those who reach a certain score.


46 posted on 05/14/2014 6:05:29 AM PDT by bgill
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To: moose07
Terrorists, in our case here, are stateless. Islam has been at war with Western Civilization for centuries, and frankly, I believe that Muslims owe allegiance only to Islam, and to no nation.

Americans who go join with them in attacks against the U.S.A. are traitors.

We're no longer in a universe our grandparents would recognize and you're trying to force a naive template upon a crazed medieval situation.

47 posted on 05/14/2014 10:05:55 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll
The targets were killed because they’re terrorists.
The way you stop terrorists from finding a safe place to hide is to harm or kill those providing safe haven and protection to the terrorists.
This is how the U.S. has always dealt with pirates. It is appropriate for us to deal with terrorists in the same manner.
Does anyone have a problem with this?

There are several problems — one is how the label terrorist is applied, and by whom.
Another problem, particularly WRT drones, is that they are not an accurate weapon (as opposed to snipers) and incur collateral deaths. (You may think that a terrorist's friends and family deserve to die by virtue of their relationship to the terrorist — I do not; moreover I view such as an excuse to murder innocents.) In addition to this, metadata is being used to flag people as terrorists, but to act on this w/o verification [i.e. HumInt] it violates the gun safety rule of being sure of your target.
Third, there is the problem that the mechanics of point #1 could be altered so that, for example, protesting or disputing government claims [such as the recent militia standoff in Nevada] would be deemed de facto proof that those people were terrorists.

Given the recent revelations of Fast & Furious, the NSA's domestic espionage program, the IRS's politically-targeted molestations, and the general willingness to ignore the Constitution:
is it reasonable1 to trust the government with the ability to end life without trial?


1 — Leaving aside active the battlefield.

48 posted on 05/14/2014 10:34:33 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SatinDoll

The Crazed Medieval template does hold water, however us behaving in an uncivilised manner promotes the growth of terrorism.
The Medieval mind is not seeing their actions as evil, only ours, we are seen as the aggressor.
We must take the high ground and cease behaving as if we can kill with impunity , without due process , this make us as bad as them and this must not be the case against civilians.
How long before this ‘kill because i can’ attitude is turned on the American people themselves. How long before 85 year old Mr Smith in his pick-up truck is Hellfired for the ‘Common Good’ for speaking ‘out of turn’.
It will happen.

Yes ,those who join them are Traitors and must be dealt with as the legal system deems fit.


49 posted on 05/14/2014 10:47:58 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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To: moose07
How long before this ‘kill because I can’ attitude is turned on the American people themselves?

This is the central question on the issue — anyone who has not asked it is simply not thinking things through.

50 posted on 05/14/2014 11:20:37 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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