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RIA Novosti says: Secret Cable Reveals Russia Warned US in 2008 Meddling in Ukraine Could Split Coun
RIA novosti copied onto Russia List.org Blog ^ | 5-13-2014 | RIA novosti copied onto Russia List.org Blog

Posted on 05/13/2014 9:22:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf

A secret cable released by Wikileaks on Tuesday revealed that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned Washington as far back as 2008 that US-EU-NATO meddling in Ukraine could split the country in two.

“Following a muted first reaction to Ukraine’s intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition, stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion as a potential military threat,” said the 2008 cable classified by William Burns, than US Ambassador to Moscow and currently the US Deputy Secretary of State.

“NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains ‘an emotional and neuralgic’ issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene,” the cable said.

The Russian foreign minister also emphasized that Moscow was convinced that the alliance’s enlargement was not based on security reasons, but instead was a legacy of the Cold War. Moreover, he warned, joining NATO was unlikely to strengthen democratic governments.

(Excerpt) Read more at russialist.org ...


TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: civilwar; nato; putinsbuttboys; russia; surrendermonkeys; ukraine
Well, this is certainly interesting...

I remember this being talked about, and dismissed, back then as:

"Sarah Palin's INSANE PARANOIA!!!".

1 posted on 05/13/2014 9:22:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

2008? So this is Bush’s fault. /sarc


2 posted on 05/13/2014 9:27:58 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: tcrlaf

This is step #1 of a strategy to blame Bush.


3 posted on 05/13/2014 9:28:44 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: Scutter

“This is step #1 of a strategy to blame Bush.”

Coming as it does from RIA, I don’t believe so.

More like an “I told you so, but you didn’t listen!” to Obama....
Now let’s see if the US Mainstream Media picks it up.


4 posted on 05/13/2014 9:35:02 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

5 posted on 05/13/2014 9:46:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: tcrlaf

Well, yeah. The Russian Foreign Minister warned us that Russia would have to intervene if Ukraine joined NATO. The context was then Ukrainian President Yushchenko applied to join NATO, and the Russians freaked out.

We respected the wish of Russia and did not consider Ukraine’s application to join NATO, instead “helping them reform” for the application process. Which was basically politically correct code for “No, because Russia.” Georgia got the same treatment, again for obvious reasons. Complaint was duly respected.

If they wanted to join the EU however...well it wasn’t going to happen anytime soon anyways. Ukraine is too corrupt. But what was rejected by Yanukovych was an Association agreement with the EU. Just that was too much for Russia’s fragile ego.


6 posted on 05/13/2014 9:46:19 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: tcrlaf

This is EXACTLY what I have been saying all along.


7 posted on 05/13/2014 9:47:03 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: tcrlaf

NATO certainly failed to defend Europe from an Islamic invasion. In fact it assisted the Islamic invasion into Kosovo. France will soon be an Islamic State with Nuclear Submarines. How the heck are the French gonna live without wine ?


8 posted on 05/13/2014 10:44:19 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: tcrlaf

I don’t know TCRLaf, Obama wasn’t sworn in until 2009.

There may be something to that warning date at that.


9 posted on 05/13/2014 10:52:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
There may be something to that warning date at that.

The RATs could go with that, but we have Hillary's reset button and Obama's promise of flexibility.

10 posted on 05/13/2014 11:00:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette
No doubt about that.  The thinking on my part is that this was leaked..., and could it have been done with that date to get 'the one' off the hook.  Can't rule out that possibility.  Hey, it's worked for five years.


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11 posted on 05/13/2014 11:07:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: tcrlaf

Sounds like we have one more thing to thank Obama for.


12 posted on 05/13/2014 11:19:13 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Citizen)
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To: tcrlaf

BS

Why not use Tass, Izvestia, Pravda or RT...oh, you do use them


13 posted on 05/14/2014 12:04:17 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: tcrlaf

“Us (today) NATO and EU = NWO (New World Order, aka AGENDA 21 - mixed in with Muzzie encroachment that has already taken over the EU.

No why on earth would the Russians in the Crimea and eastern Ukraine want to go with Russia over them?

Let’s remember that Putin didn’t “invade” the Crimea. He was asked to protect them from the above encroachment that would come through Ukraine. Note that his troops were deployed straight to the Ukraine border, protecting the Crimea - there was no fighting in the Crimea.

I wonder if the Sheeple will ever get over swallowing whatever the media/politicians spews as whole cloth - especially now when we can read all other sources -


14 posted on 05/14/2014 12:37:20 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: tcrlaf

Russia has been meddling in Ukrainian internal political affairs, deliberately dividing the Ukrainian population into antagonistic Russian and non-Russian groups, and murdering and oppressing non-Russian Ukrainians since decades before NATO ever came into existence. Russia has no moral or legal right to dictate the foreign affairs of the Ukraine or any of its population, pro-Russian or anti-Russian.


15 posted on 05/14/2014 1:29:06 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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16 posted on 05/14/2014 1:39:00 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Scutter
Well....

Bush Urges NATO Membership for Ukraine, Georgia

17 posted on 05/14/2014 2:28:52 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: WhiskeyX
Russia has been meddling in Ukrainian internal political affairs,

And the U.S. and the EU haven't?

18 posted on 05/14/2014 2:30:33 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: All

Whatever it is..

It’s the usual propaganda from the rogue state of Russia.


19 posted on 05/14/2014 5:21:35 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: Timber Rattler

Dispelled many times. Making you a repeat propagandist when the spew you troll, you knows is BS.

Bush merely brought it up. NATO rejected membership for Georgia and Ukraine, quickly and outright.


20 posted on 05/14/2014 5:23:28 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: tcrlaf

Lies, all lies.

21 posted on 05/14/2014 5:26:51 AM PDT by McGruff (#BringBackOurJobs)
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To: rbmillerjr
Dispelled many times. Making you a repeat propagandist when the spew you troll, you knows is BS.

Wow, so because I don't agree with you chest beaters about Russia, I'm now a propagandist and troll despite all the big battles I've been through here on this forum over the years. Nice. Real nice

Bush merely brought it up. NATO rejected membership for Georgia and Ukraine, quickly and outright.

Bush did a lot more than simply bringing it up. He actively worked for it. NATO's European members rejected Ukrainian membership after Russia objected mightily to it and began rattling its sabers.

Just to keep things in perspective, how did the U.S. react when the Soviet Union backed Castro in Cuba and then put nuclear missiles there? What about Grenada? And then Nicaragua? seems like there is some serious hyprocrisy going on with these threads.

22 posted on 05/14/2014 6:11:15 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

” because I don’t agree with you chest beaters about Russia, I’m now a propagandist and troll despite all the big battles I’ve been through here on this forum over the years. Nice. Real nice”

No. You are a propagandist troll because you keep posting the same thing, knowing that NATO rejected membership to Georgia and Ukraine, outright.


23 posted on 05/14/2014 6:57:54 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr
No. You are a propagandist troll because you keep posting the same thing, knowing that NATO rejected membership to Georgia and Ukraine, outright.

Talk about demands for groupthink...the libs could not do it any better.

Anyway, the rejection is NOT the issue, the issue is that the U.S. did indeed try to drive NATO right up to the Russian border despite earlier promises not to do so, which the Russians viewed as a clear threat and continue to do so. That's why Putin is doing what he's doing, but y'all won't take your rah-rah blinders off and instead insist on taking measures against Russia that would ultimately lead to World War III, if you had your way.

24 posted on 05/14/2014 7:34:19 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Talk about demands for groupthink...the libs could not do it any better.”

LOL, if you want the right to express your propaganda without a response, you’ve come to the wrong place.


25 posted on 05/14/2014 8:01:08 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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