[Orangedog]

Seems like these threads full of cognitive dissonance are getting more frequent. A lot of people just can’t wake up to the fact that it’s not right vs left. When there’s a boot pinning your neck to the ground it doesn’t matter if it’s the left boot or the right boot.

[OneWingedShark]

That's one reason I try to frame my political complaints into constitutional vs. contraconstitutional, or statism vs. liberty, or moral vs. immoral.
(The NSA domestic espionage is a good example of something that can be phrased in each of these three areas, and usually leaves a bad impression of the agency if seriously considered.)

[pierrem15]

Correct: it’s public employees (and their dependents, whether welfare queens or big banks) vs. the rest of us, who are slowly being forced to choose between serfdom or open revolt.