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Separatists are demoralized. They can be finished off
Inforesist ^ | 5/9/2014 | Catherine Shapoval

Posted on 05/19/2014 8:02:47 PM PDT by WildSnail

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To: WildSnail

There are some good things there.

And some really bad things.

There is no “good” side in this. And that is why the US should butt out. And any foreign policy decided upon by this administration is guaranteed to be the very worst thing for America, at the very least.


21 posted on 05/20/2014 7:22:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dfwgator

See my snips in comment 18.


22 posted on 05/20/2014 7:23:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

LJ, GlobalResearch is a terrible source. It’s anti American, pro OWS, pro Global Warming...etc. I wouldn’t use them to critique Svoboda...and there are indeed some problems with their criticisms of Svoboda.


23 posted on 05/20/2014 7:51:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I’d like to know the specifics of the problems. I realize that GR has some real crap on it. So does every single other news source. That is the problem.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 12:33:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: FreeReign

Do you think Paul Craig Roberts is a notorious propagandist too? I’m curious what news outlet or journalists you deem more accurate. NYT?

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/29/western-looting-ukraine-begun-paul-craig-roberts/

Western Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun

Of course, his articles may appear on GR sometimes, so maybe that taints him?


25 posted on 05/21/2014 1:02:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
....”It’s possible, believe it or not, to not like EITHER side. And point out honestly what’s going on in Ukraine without taking Putin’s side”....

That is true, however to those who are insistent on taking a side they cannot be open to finding the truth. Instead will defend their mindset and oppose those who do not agree.

One thing we know...when debate is silenced truth will never be known.

26 posted on 05/21/2014 1:31:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: little jeremiah
I think it's absurd for the journalist to ‘frequently’ compare Maidan to the Anti-Kiev citizens who desire Self-Rule. Maiden was a violent coup of Ukraine's Nation Government. What is happening in Eastern Ukraine is a resistance to the unelected officials, who they see as fascists, supported by the US Gov. and a threat to the very Unity Maiden claimed.

Maidan was not in the middle of a war between outside factions as is happening in Eastern Ukraine.......nor have they had the financial backing of billions of dollars over a long period of time, or that of “organizers” to establish their intentions as Maidan had.

This has been a ground roots uprising of the people, and identified as that from the beginning until the Private Sector and their hired thugs began opposing and infiltrating their protests, just as they did with Maidan. Even the Atlantic Council and the international Leaders identify that Private Sector and their cohorts are a serious problem .....and there has been an effort in the EU now to call Private Sector a terrorist group..because they are.

However, you cannot even remotely convince those here, who somehow think Svodboda and Private Sector have reformed their ways, yet at the same time they refuse Russia that same reformation..... Dogs don't change their spots....and in Ukraine we are seeing this remains so.

Furthermore...any Journalist who steps into Ukraine knows well these are a violent and easily suspicious people...and that BTW with good cause. This guy knew the risk and also the brutality that might occur by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He assumed that risk all on his own.

27 posted on 05/21/2014 1:55:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: FreeReign; little jeremiah
All sources today are biased.....that's pretty apparent in our own country as the MSM appears to be just as anti-American in their supporting the Obama administration. I think it's better to see all sources regardless if we agree with them or not....it does give us then a broad understanding in why people think as they do and their perspective...and a better idea of what is happening worldwide as the MSM here is very lax in reporting world affairs.

Further....In Ukraine you have a suppressed people, and often violent, who have lived under one strong arm or another 'for generations'.......robbed and stolen from by their ruling government officials with no regard to the peoples affairs..... We ourselves have had only a taste of that suppression through the Obama Administration....and that for a very short time. So how Ukrainians see this crisis is beyond most understanding why they fight as they do now..and that all sides of the equation...and there are many in "divided" Ukraine.

28 posted on 05/21/2014 2:06:51 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tailgunner Joe
According to my information Russia has infiltrated Right Sector and Svoboda as well as many right wing groups in Europe.
29 posted on 05/21/2014 2:25:25 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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I’d appreciate what your sources are.

That would be interesting if Russians are killing ethnic Russians in Urkaine, burning them alive etc.


30 posted on 05/21/2014 2:56:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: caww

Yes, condemning the source but not proving the facts in the “bad” source... somehow not convincing enough for me.


31 posted on 05/21/2014 9:06:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
some info in the public domain:

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.se/2014/05/window-on-eurasia-right-wing-parties.html

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117838/putins-far-right-european-admirers-run-european-parliament-may

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/21/world/europe/europes-far-right-looks-to-russia-as-a-guiding-force.html

Jobbik MEP accused of working for Russia
http://euobserver.com/eu-elections/124156

32 posted on 05/22/2014 2:03:23 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith; UMCRevMom@aol.com

Many thanks for the links!

UMCRevMom, Ping to this post


33 posted on 05/22/2014 6:48:44 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: WildHighlander57

Thank you Adm Smith & Wildhighlander 57


34 posted on 05/23/2014 3:55:35 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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