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The 'Almost Exclusively White Phenomenon' of Conservatism
American Thinker ^ | 05/23/2014 | John Bennett

Posted on 05/23/2014 8:08:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

  Every conservative should consider the profound and possibly awful observation made by the New York Times’ Josh Barro (italics added):

The rush to stand with Mr. Bundy against the Bureau of Land Management is the latest incarnation of conservative antigovernment messaging. And nonwhites are not interested, because a gut-level aversion to the government is almost exclusively a white phenomenon.

If there were validity to Barro’s observation, then any anti-government political philosophy (that wished to survive) would seek to reduce immigration.

After all, America is rapidly importing economically poor, poorly educated, low-skilled immigrants.  Those immigrants generate racial inequalities, and inequality is then used to shame and guilt the majority.  This is the neurotic cycle I call “America’s never-ending shame.”  A constant influx of the “disadvantaged” guarantees a racialized political system and the growth of a Leviathan welfare state.

How can we verify that “a gut-level aversion to the government is almost exclusively a white phenomenon”?  For starters, we could look to numerous polls and opinion surveys, which are a better indication of Latino opinion that any self-serving GOP talking points.

The Pew Research Center recently explored Hispanic views about the role of government. Seventy-five percent of Hispanics want “a bigger government providing more services,” while only 19% prefer “a smaller government providing fewer services.”

Source: Pew Hispanic Center, Pew Research Center

Among Asians (the second-largest group of immigrants today) the result was 55% favoring big government to 36% favoring smaller.  In response to a similar question in 2002, far fewer Hispanics (55%) preferred bigger government; the trends are unfavorable for advocates of limited government.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conservatism; race

1 posted on 05/23/2014 8:08:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Question, If we are so awful us white folks, why do they keep wanting us to acknowledge them?
2 posted on 05/23/2014 8:11:54 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dude didn’t look at the chart. The longer Hispanics are in the country, the less they wanted big government!


3 posted on 05/23/2014 8:12:01 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, then all the Americans should go to Mexico and demand free stuff to make things fair....


4 posted on 05/23/2014 8:12:03 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: SeekAndFind

Now this is shocking.


5 posted on 05/23/2014 8:12:20 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yup. I use my white privilege daily to get free cars, free food, free money at the bank. Just walk in and tell them you want to use some of your “privilege” to get an extra couple thousand for walkin’ around money. Works like a charm. Ahhh. Utopia.


6 posted on 05/23/2014 8:12:58 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember the Alamo!


7 posted on 05/23/2014 8:14:29 AM PDT by februus
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To: SeekAndFind

And why do all these minorities want to immigrate to such a evil and racist white country...?

And then go about to change it to the hell hole they just left???


8 posted on 05/23/2014 8:15:22 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SeekAndFind

So when we hear the squawk that the “government” imprisons black men at a rate 3x that of white men, that has to be racist because Mr. Sharpton said so. But when TP fans claim that government is too big and in your face, that too is racist because there aren’t any black Al Sharpton supporters behind the guy in NV. And it isn’t racist, of course, when the IRS goes after conservative groups 1000% as often as they do black non-profit groups.

Honestly, I don’t know liberals keep all this stuff straight.


9 posted on 05/23/2014 8:15:48 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: 2banana

The people of Colorado would like to know that as well.


10 posted on 05/23/2014 8:16:32 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

You mean to tell me, that, the author of this article wants the folks that burned their own stores in L.A., sat on the porch while the water rose in New Orleans, to be counted as ‘conservatives’???????


11 posted on 05/23/2014 8:17:30 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: SeekAndFind

At that rate you’d have to wait for the sixth-generation Hispanics to catch up to the rate of the general population.


12 posted on 05/23/2014 8:21:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

I can’t understand why, but it sure seems like people WANT to be ruled over. Totally goes against the original premise of the United States of America.


13 posted on 05/23/2014 8:23:02 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: SeekAndFind
My card just arrived in the mail, and I can't wait to use it!


14 posted on 05/23/2014 8:24:47 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: SeekAndFind

According to the chart, it looks like the Mexicans are not coming here for work; they are coming here for all the free stuff. If work was the main objective, they would want less government - less police, less immigration, less social security review of workers, fewer inspections of the workplace from the FDA, EPA, Health & saftey, Fire, etc


15 posted on 05/23/2014 8:26:38 AM PDT by CoastWatcher
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a question of Judeo-Christian values. Who cares what damned color you are?


16 posted on 05/23/2014 8:27:56 AM PDT by onedoug
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“Here’s the word for word quote of the president’s most recent declaration against any and all who might disagree with his Big Government, no questions asked, agenda. They were spoken at a big money, California fundraiser:

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The truth of the matter is, is that the reason that we have not seen Washington address the core concerns of too many working families around the country is that you have a party that has been captive to an ideology, to a theory of economics, that says those folks, they’re on their own and government doesn’t have an appropriate role to play.

And our goal and our task in this midterm has to be to break that grip, that particular view, that particular wrongheaded vision this country has so that we can get back to the business of investing in the American people and investing in America’s future.”


17 posted on 05/23/2014 8:28:20 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s only fiscal conservatism that qualifies as a SWPL (stuff white people like).

You see, social conservatism is something virtually all ethnic and racial groups in this country can get behind. Hence, proposition 8 in California - the state’s population is majority non-white, yet it voted several times in favor of real marriage. Almost every racial and ethnic group in this country is going to be a majority-in-favor voting block against perversion.

Social liberalism is the “almost exclusively white phenomenon” the author of this piece should have identified, along with libertarianism.

If you want the minority vote in this country you’re not going to get it with a combination of social liberalism and fiscal conservatism, as a matter of fact that particular political blend a sure-fire way to send your party into total and complete obscurity. Anyone too naive or ignorant to realize that probably shouldn’t be voting in the first place.


18 posted on 05/23/2014 8:37:24 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: SeekAndFind

This should generate interesting discussion. The Bible makes no mention of race save for the decedents of Noah’s kids. I think we’d be wading into a scriptural mess if we made racial determinations off Noah’s curse on Ham. The apostles got into trouble when they exhibited the slightest hint of racism: Samaritans, gentiles, etc.

For me, that dispels the best case to be made for racism. The next best case is experience which, unlike the first one, has nothing to do with genetics. We know by experience that we’re more likely to have crimes committed against us by non-whites. This isn’t just perception or racism, it’s reality. It’s also a reality that countries with large black populations are pretty miserable places. This, in know way, is proof of white superiority, but is proof that something is wrong culturally.

Culture explains the disparity between perceptions of government. This is something we’ve lost sight of. Democracy, liberty, individualism is an Anglo-American discovery, so to speak. It developed out of unfettered access to the teachings of the Bible. It wasn’t until the the Bible was allowed to be translated into English that the common man had access to the whole council of God with no liturgical filter. The more people who read the Bible, the more people understand there’s no King, Pope, priest, aristocrat, noble or parliament that intercedes between you and God.

Anyway, Asians, Mexicans, Blacks, etc don’t have the heritage Anglo-Americans have. To the extent that people assimilate into Anglo-American culture, they understand the evils of government. To the extent the Anglo-American heritage is ignored, harangued, abandoned, the more people will turn to government.


19 posted on 05/23/2014 8:43:33 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“The longer Hispanics are in the country, the less they wanted big government!”

Given the rates for 3rd generation latinos, it will only take about 150-200 years for assimilation. So...shut the southern border down for 150 years? Works for me!


20 posted on 05/23/2014 8:44:09 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
The longer Hispanics are in the country, the less they wanted big government!

The pace of mindset change is distressing.

A hundred years ago, people came to this country with their sleeves rolled up, begging to get to work on improving their lot in life.

Now, they show up fat, hat in hand, looking for the free stuff.

21 posted on 05/23/2014 8:48:00 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Barro

Sponsor of the Trillion dollar coin. One of Barack Obama’s favorite columnists.


22 posted on 05/23/2014 8:50:01 AM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: CoastWatcher

That’s it.

We’re in an environment where demographic groups are being targeted for bribes and other benefits as well as being provoked based on them being the victims of discrimination, bigotry and racism.

The great provider and protector is ... the government. At least they are conditioned to believe that.

The problem is that at some point the government is going to start failing in it’s role. The current situation can only be strung out for so long before the predicable, inevitable decline occurs. At that point, then what?


23 posted on 05/23/2014 8:50:04 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: onedoug
It’s a question of Judeo-Christian values. Who cares what damned color you are?

The question of who is or is not "white" has changed with practically every generation. There were times in the 1800s when the Irish were not considered "white"; at the turn of the century the Italians were not considered "white," and Russian/Ukrainian Jews were certainly not considered "white" until well after WWII.

It is telling, I think, that more long-term-American Hispanics are beginning to think of themselves as "white": it doesn't mean they have dumped their heritage or are trying to "pass," but that they have accepted long-term-American values, and see themselves more as Americans than as an ethnicity, just as previous generations of immigrants have done.

The same thing could happen in one generation with American blacks, with only two actions: first, the re-establishment of the nuclear family, both within the black community and in inter-racial marriages, and second, the popular shaming of race-baiters--including people like Sterling, but also people like Sharpton, Cummings, and Holder.

24 posted on 05/23/2014 8:51:27 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: SeekAndFind

Solution: Government services with a USER fee not supported by taxes. THEN see how many people support it!!


25 posted on 05/23/2014 8:51:52 AM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
You wont find a more conservative person then a Cambodian clinging to his guns living in the US who had to flee the Killing Fields of Cambodia.

Oh for that matter Vietnamese clinging to their guns who had to flee their homeland on make shift vessels.

Oh for that matter Cubans clinging to their guns in the US who were abandoned by JFK on the shores of their homeland.

And you wont find a more conservative person then a Mexican who fled the drug cartels of his country so he could cling to his guns in the US.

They have all had children. They have all instilled conservative values on those children. They now number in the 10's of millions. And they will soon be coming for the tyrants.

26 posted on 05/23/2014 8:54:17 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s my answer:

Allen West
Ben Carsen
Herman Cain
Walter Willimas
Thomas Sowell
Angela McGlowan
Tim Scott
Artur Davis
Alan Keys
Clarence Thomas
Mia Love
Jesse Lee Peterson
Ken Blackwell
Larry Elder
Janice Rogers Brown

...and the list goes on.


27 posted on 05/23/2014 8:57:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: SoCal Pubbie

You suck at math, you know that?

Tell ya what dude, why don’t you start a coffee bar! I’ll buy a $1 cup of coffee from ya if you pay me $1.64 first. All you need to do to get rich is offer that same deal to 20,000,000 other folks, you’ll be making a loss on every sale, but hey you’ll make up for it in volume!

Sound like a good idea?

How about this one, because my ancestors have been here for generations you pay me $1.64 so I can buy your $1 cup of coffee. But my cousin who was born in this country but has recent immigrant ancestors, you gotta pay him $1.78 before he’d be willing to buy your $1 cup of coffee. Sound like a good deal to you?

How about my other cousins, all 25 of them, they just immigrated, so they won’t accept less than being paid $1.88 by you in order to buy your $1 coffee - I mean, they haven’t had as long to assimilate or accumulate wealth, they’ve got to rely on you to pay for their home, health care, education, drug habits, all that good business.


28 posted on 05/23/2014 9:00:46 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: SeekAndFind

Seventy-five percent of Hispanics want “a bigger government providing more services,” while only 19% prefer “a smaller government providing fewer services.”


That’s a leading question. Ask, instead “Do you want a bigger government charging more taxes, or a smaller government charging less taxes” and the numbers will flip right around.


29 posted on 05/23/2014 9:11:33 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind
a gut-level aversion to big government is almost exclusively a white phenomenon.

Thanks to the power and ability of the government to create money out of thin air, more and more people are suffering from the delusion that government is Santa Claus, or a empathetic nurturing parent that can provide them with free benefits that are costless to the citizens.

But white settlers of America of Anglo-Saxon descent wanted to promote a renaissance of Anglo Saxon primitive institutions on the new continent.The statutes of the Anglo-Saxons were like a breath of fresh air that furnished ancient principles of freemen that could become an inportant source of the model for the new government.

On August 13,1776,Jefferson wrote to Edmond Pendleton to convince him that Virginia must abolish the remnants of feudalism and return to the "ancient principles." He wrote:

"Are we not better for what we have hitherto abolished of the feudal system? Has not every restitution of the ancient Saxon laws had happy effects? Is it not better now that we return at once onto that happy system of our ancestors, the wisest and most perfect ever yet devised by the wit of man, as it stood before the eighth century?"

30 posted on 05/23/2014 9:13:43 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: demshateGod
Anyway, Asians, Mexicans, Blacks, etc don’t have the heritage Anglo-Americans have. To the extent that people assimilate into Anglo-American culture, they understand the evils of government. To the extent the Anglo-American heritage is ignored, harangued, abandoned, the more people will turn to government.

You are wrong to ignore genetics as a factor in personality traits. However, it is not inevitable that Conservatism not appeal to any particular group. The Leftist agitation of the past century has been largely successful, for example, in undermining the natural Conservatism of the American Negro--a major talking point when Booker T. Washington was the principal spokesman of the race. (See Booker T. Washington Address.)

When you write of "assimilation," you must not overlook the reality, that while America was clearly the land of the rugged individualist, the Anglo-Celtic culture appealed far more to a self-selected group in other nations, to whom those traits appealed (kindred spirits, almost certainly with some similar innate personality traits), who formed the preponderance of the 19th Century immigrants. (Those who did not fit that pattern, often crowded into Eastern Cities, which early in the 20th Century moved decidedly to the Left.)

With the increasing acceptance of Egalitarian/Collectivist values after the New Deal, this selection process broke down; with the adoption of the radical--indeed anti-White--immigration policy in 1965, which has actually subsidized immigration from lands with no social history or cultural parallels to that of earlier settlers (and, indeed the very opposite social norms, as related to individualism vs. group thinking); there has been a 180 degree departure from any likelihood for assimilation.

Frankly, I do not pretend to understand your apparent suggestion that we look to culture rather than genetics as the explanation for differing attitudes towards government. Specific people create specific cultures. Cultures will reinforce the personality traits that do well in any community; but culture, itself, reflects the result of the dynamic interaction between the unique individual types that live in a particular community.

William Flax

31 posted on 05/23/2014 9:15:15 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: SoCal Pubbie

> The longer Hispanics are in the country, the less they wanted big government!

Even if they were 40% Republican, it wouldn’t benefit us. Basic math. If you add 4 Republicans and 6 Democrats, it helps Democrats, not Republicans.


32 posted on 05/23/2014 9:37:37 AM PDT by BinaryBoy ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
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To: SeekAndFind

Exclusively tax payers all.


33 posted on 05/23/2014 9:39:57 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: SeekAndFind

You know what else is an all-white phenomenon?

Volunteering to help in times of disaster.

My brother-in-law was in New Orleans after Katrina. White people were there from all over the country, helping out every way they could. There were virtually no black people doing the same things.

But you’re not allowed to mention this.


34 posted on 05/23/2014 9:55:20 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: SeekAndFind

Why isn’t “bigger government with fewer services” an option?


35 posted on 05/23/2014 10:04:22 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republicans are obviously committing political suicide to support amnesty, UNLESS they’re big government Repubs.


36 posted on 05/23/2014 10:41:39 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Night Hides Not

I’s neerly bout whitern a glass o’ buttermilk an’ my great granpappy toted a musket fer Gen’ral Lee. Wherebouts kin I git me one o’ them ‘ere cards? Will they hold it agin me ‘cause granpappy ‘as too pore tuh own no slaves?


37 posted on 05/23/2014 11:56:27 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: woweeitsme

They don’t really want to be ruled over but they are willing to accept it in return for a free ride. Their ultimate goal is to join the ruling group and get a free ride too like all the worthless leeches who “work” for the government now.


38 posted on 05/23/2014 11:59:06 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: demshateGod
Noah’s curse on Ham.

Noah did not curse Ham. He cursed Canaan, the fourth of Ham's sons.

39 posted on 05/23/2014 12:05:06 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: jameslalor

I have no idea what you talking about. I simply pointed out the reality that Hispanic views of big government are changing as each generation grows up in this country. Your talking about coffee. I’ll bite. Try decaf.


40 posted on 05/23/2014 12:06:33 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: BinaryBoy

Not if the trend in the chart continues.


41 posted on 05/23/2014 12:07:55 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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