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UKRAINE:
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty ^ | Saturday, May 24, 2014 | By Charles Recknagel

Posted on 05/23/2014 9:22:01 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

Donetsk is the largest city in eastern Ukraine, with a population of nearly a million people. But it appears that many -- if not most -- of its voters will not be able to take part in Ukraine's presidential election on May 25 because of the climate of fear separatists have established on the city's streets.

The fear is measurable in the scarcity of election campaign banners on main boulevards and the almost total absence of people handing out election flyers just days ahead of the vote.

Local journalists say the rare campaign banners that are visible belong almost entirely to a single party, the Party of Regions, which in recent years has been the strongest in eastern Ukraine. Its candidate is Mykhaylo Dobkin, who favors a united Ukraine but with greater independence for its regions and is widely regarded as more pro-Russia rather than pro-West.

Yet even his campaign workers have stayed off the street, journalists say, for fear of being attacked by militants of the separatist, self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic. The separatists, who have declared the Donetsk region independent and urged Russia to annex it, have vowed to block the May 25 election and have been working hard to do so.

Oleksiy Matsuka, the editor of the "Novosti Donbassa" news site, says that armed militants have repeatedly broken into the campaign centers set up by the presidential candidates. "They smash equipment like fax and copying machines and computers and destroy election brochures," he says.

Matsuka, whose site is critical of the separatists, recently moved to an undisclosed location outside the city due to fears for his personal safety.

Climate Of Fear, Intimidation

The intimidation of campaign workers mirrors the intimidation of election commission staff. A member of the executive commission for one election district in Donetsk says that representatives of the Donetsk People's Republic visited his district's office on May 22.

Five men wearing flak jackets and carrying clubs demanded the election workers turn over boxes of ballot forms, claiming that "the people" were against preparations for the election. As other armed men stood outside, the visitors removed documentation that included the names and addresses of the commission members. They then presented the commission chairman with a receipt for the material seized.

Other election commission representatives say they have come under similar pressure.

Valeriy Dudarenko, deputy head of another local election commission in Donetsk, recently told the media he expected 60 out the 88 polling stations in his district to be working on May 25.

Ukrainian election officials said on May 23 that the separatists had so far seized more than half of the election commissions in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

Kyiv has been encouraging local voters to register in neighboring areas outside of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, although the deadline to do so was May 19.

Constant Threat Of Violence

Local journalists say armed separatists have been able to do so much to disrupt preparations for the vote because they have effectively instituted a reign of terror in the city.

Olena Zashko, an RFE/RL Ukrainian Service correspondent in Donetsk, says the armed militants mainly keep to the area of the regional administration building they have seized downtown and its adjacent park. But when they do move outside of their base, they do so with a level of deliberate violence that terrifies ordinary citizens.

The intimidation strategy has been on full display as pro-unity supporters have gained new energy recently from the decision of regional powerbroker and tycoon Rinat Akhmetov to stand by Kyiv. Akhmetov, who controls the Donbas region's steel and mining industry, has condemned the separatists as "thugs" and called for peaceful rallies against them.

Yet when hundreds of pro-unity supporters attended a rally in Donetsk's Donbas Arena stadium on May 20, separatist militants reportedly waited on the outskirts of the event to ambush individuals who separated from the crowd, beating them with hammers.

Journalists say similar risks await cars that participate in now daily shows of support for Ukrainian unity by driving through the city at noon blaring their horns. Thugs waiting on street corners hurl rocks at the cars or race out to smash their windshields with bats. "I saw with my own eyes how the separatists chased two cars, attacked and destroyed them completely," RFE/RL's Zashko says.

Residents say the most feared institution in Donetsk today is the regional administration building, which the separatists have occupied for six weeks. The 11-story facility that serves as headquarters for the Donetsk People's Republic is ringed by barricades and barbed wire, and has become notorious for the interrogations and beatings rumored to take place on its fifth and sixth floors.

People targeted by the separatists are snatched off the streets of Donetsk in broad daylight by men in balaclavas and taken into the building. Those who were later released say they were repeatedly beaten, abused, and threatened with death for opposing the self-declared republic


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1 posted on 05/23/2014 9:22:01 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Thanks
The only way you know of this is through FR. Have yet to hear of any of this through our media.


2 posted on 05/23/2014 9:33:18 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Thanks
The only way you know of this is through FR. Have yet to hear of any of this through our media.


3 posted on 05/23/2014 9:33:41 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

BING TRANSLATION: Sergey Jamb, pastor and coordinator of the prayer tent in Donetsk.

There are problems, but it could be worse, most importantly, stayed alive, no fractures ... Badly beaten with whips and batons.

Anyone that knows God: it is necessary to intensify prayers. The impression is that the seven evil have gotten into separatists. Hatred, cruelty, anger, going wild.

This kind goeth out by prayer and fasting. I propose to maximize prayer.


4 posted on 05/23/2014 9:34:32 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: mosesdapoet; tcrlaf; little jeremiah; All
I think it's more than ridiculous for this writer to say it's the separatists/sefl-defenders of the East which have caused this fear when that's hardly the case.... There's been an evacuation issued from all sides as a result of the Keiv Government Leadership , and Right Sector stating they are going to "Mop UP" the East.

Furthermore... it's all over the news and the Internet that the Kiev Government and the Right Sector have been 'bombing the East' “all week”long....even FR has threads of this and videos/photos showing so.

Additionally even one of the Presidential Candidates claimed responsibility for some of the artillery shelling of tanks...and we all know other Oligarchs have their militias running wild in the east.

There are many questions of who is doing what...what we do know is there are swarms of armed militias there, hired by various people, Kiev Army and who they hire, and the Right Sector all fighting there and all have a political agenda.........some want to see enough bloodshed to "force" war between Russia and the US.....others want war because they can't fight and win without some major country coming in with them.........the people/citizens want everyone but there own fighters out of there.

And then to lay blame on any one group is beyond ridiculous when even the fighters can't tell each other apart!

To add more to the problems...Kiev Government and the Right Sector, who have been working together, now have a great deal of political infighting between them which began in the last couple weeks.

If you back up to a couple weeks ago...Many cities in the East who voted for the referendum wanted and were given the green flag they could vote in the Pres. election. But after Keiv's army began shelling and destroying their communities buildings, and shooting at their people, they made it clear they were not going to vote because of the shelling...which has only escalated.

Right Sector wants to retain their Government representation.....and they have feared if the East votes it would deter their agenda....the right sector favors Yulia T. who has stated if she doesn't win the Pres. position she would rise her people for another Maidan Protest. She knows who has the majority now and it isn't her...in fact she's trending far behind the frontrunner. She is as ruthless and cunning as any other and will stop at nothing to regain her power in the Government.

So there is no way any can point to 'who' is causing fear in the East....when you have the area saturated with militia's, Keiv's army , hired thugs, and all the nutcases that have jumped on the bandwagons for the thrill of fighting.

5 posted on 05/23/2014 10:09:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

And still, the dying goes on.

Ukrainian mothers in Western blocked a crossing into Poland yesterday, to protest their kids being conscripted and sent straight to war with no training.

The Horlivka rebel group is going after the Right Sector Donbas militia, hard.

Several reports that the Donetsk Airport fell to the rebels tonight.

The Ukrainian Army is a real mess, they can’t seem to even feed their troops in the field, and Defections are WAY up. Shooting your own people that refuse to fire on civilians will do that. Several rumors via twitter that the Army in the Southeast may be near a full-scale revolt.

And tonight, there are several reports that the Slovyansk group has gone on the offensive, after the shelling of civilian areas of the city yesterday. Per several tweets in the last hour or so, the 51st Airmobile Brigade is surrounded, and contact with the HQ has been lost, they aren’t responding to radio calls.

And all of this could have been easily avoided. A lesson Europe seems to be learning, a bit too late.

And I don’t think the election is going to solve much, because I just don’t see RightSector/Svoboda handing over power without even more bloodshed.


6 posted on 05/23/2014 10:22:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww

The Two leading Pres. candidates.. Poroshenko and Yulia Tymoshenko are bitter rivals and have had on ongoing feud since the Orange Revolution......Tymoshenko believes and claimed publicaly she is the “only one” who can save Ukraine....now that it looks like her bitter rival is going to get the Presidency she is going to do all she can to prevent it.....Eastern Ukraine would vote for her rival.


7 posted on 05/23/2014 10:23:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

If Poroshenko wins the election, I just don’t see any that RightSector/Svoboda gives up the hold on the Kiev Government without a fight.

And I certainly don’t think there is any way that Igor Kolomoisky steps down voluntarily.


8 posted on 05/23/2014 10:31:17 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Militia backed by ‘presidential candidate Oleh Lyashko’ takes credit for assassination of separatists...reported here in the Gov. run Keiv Post:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/militia-backed-by-presidential-candidate-lyashko-takes-credit-for-murder-of-russian-backed-separatists-349093.html

I have tried to make it clear that Ukraine Politics is vicious and brutal but I think people still can’t grasp the degree these people will go to....including hiring armed militias to create fear and chaos. ...and even war if it takes that.

Thank you for the summary of the latest... like you I do try to keep abreast of what’s happening....I saw the separtists had surrounded the airport earlier today but didn’t know they had taken it.....and I knew militias are fighting each other but difficult to tell which ones...so thanks for some clarity in a very messy battlefield....I just read about the 51st Brigade being surrounded.....I suspect more throughout the night as the push by Keiv Gov. and Right Sector is pretty much in full swing.

Unfortunately the citizens are being shot in the crossfire...then you have the criminal element hurting people because they can hide in the fog of war. Terrible mess....war always is and the innocent do suffer and die.


9 posted on 05/23/2014 10:37:56 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf; caww

The “little writing men” on the net

Many have seen and and are now seeing the collapse of several generations of Russian liars and know
for sure that the truth cannot do anything but triumph in a civilised country, in the long run.
Not on in Russia, but possibly in Ukraine.............

And if the lie wins–then you get such darkness, such madness, such a triumph of the scumbags,
that it really does not matter who you are in that country–a journalist, a miner or a FR putinista,
. The main thing is–you are not a citizen, but a lying slave, there is no country, just a kingdom
of lies. Like Russia.

And I understand for sure that the people who today pose as impartial and yet sow hatred, lies, and division
received such a task from their owners–to turn us into Russia. Every scumbag tries hard where they are–
the “little green men” in Crimea, the “little subversive men” in Sloviansk, and

the “little writing men” on the net.....


10 posted on 05/23/2014 10:40:03 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: caww; tcrlaf

The “little writing men” on the net

Many have seen and and are now seeing the collapse of several generations of Russian liars and know
for sure that the truth cannot do anything but triumph in a civilised country, in the long run.
Not on in Russia, but possibly in Ukraine.............

And if the lie wins–then you get such darkness, such madness, such a triumph of the scumbags,
that it really does not matter who you are in that country–a journalist, a miner or Free Republic putinista,
. The main thing is–you are not a citizen, but a lying slave, there is no country, just a kingdom
of lies. Like Russia.

And I understand for sure that the people who today pose as impartial and yet sow hatred, lies, and division
received such a task from their owner–to turn
Ukraine into Russia.

Every scumbag tries hard where they are–

the “little green men” in Crimea,

the “little subversive men” in Sloviansk, and

the “little writing men” on the net.....


11 posted on 05/23/2014 10:43:05 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: tcrlaf

I think Poroshenko has it wrapped up for Pres. He’ll have a mess in the Gov. for the reasons you stated...Svoboda is NOT going to hand over their reins by any means....as soon as the US leaves the Gov. on it’s own they will be at each throats and more than likely a continued mess as in the past.

Kolomoisky has more than enough to pay his way to any who might oppose him...the bribes will not stop because there’s a new President....they’re all on the take to the one who pays most...and Kolomoisky’s got it to throw around wherever he desire. Known to bribe Judges and then some as well. He is one crooked,corrupt individual...known as ‘Mafia’ of Ukraine...which is why he’s so vicious and doesn’t blink.


12 posted on 05/23/2014 10:44:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Every scumbag tries hard where they are–

the “little green men” in Crimea,

the “little subversive men” in Sloviansk, and

the “little writing men” on the net.....

They want to destroy the elections...


13 posted on 05/23/2014 10:50:38 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: tcrlaf
Just a reminder why Poroshenko will win..

.....During the Maidan protests where he paid for food, water and firewood for protesters, he was careful to play both sides. He stated clearly..... “Russia isn't our opponent, but our partner,” .... “Understand, Euro-Maidan is not a movement away from Russia, but from the Soviet Union.”

Putin saw that in one of the Russian Newspapers no doubt so I think he figures he can work with him....as it needs to be for Ukraines sake.....the thorn in everyones side will be Private Sector.

I think possible enough will be discovered, when the dust settles, that the RightSector is to blame for so many deaths and destruction that Poroshenko will get enough support to get them out of Government for that.....but it won't be easily done.

14 posted on 05/23/2014 11:01:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“Russia isn’t our opponent, but our partner-
That is outright stupid......
Sounds like he’ll be screwed over by Putin....

.....Every scumbag tries hard where they are–

the “little green men” in Crimea,

the “little subversive men” in Sloviansk, and

the “little writing men” on the net.....

They want to destroy Ukraine...


15 posted on 05/23/2014 11:13:46 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: caww
Braid is gone....Taking last-gasp DRASTIC measures! Tymoshenko goes for a beehive LOL.....via @euromaidan


16 posted on 05/23/2014 11:20:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: hubel458

“They want to destroy Ukraine...”

Your bias is showing, yet again.

Nobody on FR wants to “Destroy Ukraine”. But, given how deeply the Obama Administration is involved in all of this, the LAST thing I’m going to trust are a bunch of Obama-backed wanna-be Nazi’s, that took over the government in a violent coup.

Or have you forgotten how all the Dem pundits went on air after Putin made a fool of Obama over Syria, saying “there are other ways to get at Putin!”. Well, you are seeing the results of them “trying to get at Putin”.

The events since the fall of the government have spoken for themselves, for the most part.


17 posted on 05/23/2014 11:23:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
"the Donetsk Airport fell to the rebels tonight"

Who are the rebels? I'm trying to follow this. The Russians/pro-Russian say the government are the rebels. The pro-Ukraine (Nationalists) say the pro-Russians are the rebels.

Then the...I don't know what.

It looks a lot like Bosnia/Serbia in 1994.

Everybody was Mafiya.

18 posted on 05/23/2014 11:26:12 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: caww

That’s about the best summary I’ve seen to date; only leaves out the machinations of the US/EU and whoever else. But as far as the various factions and elements within Ukraine, it could not be said better. I’ll copy it!


20 posted on 05/23/2014 11:30:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: KitJ

“Who are the rebels? I’m trying to follow this.”

If I’m describing it, the Separatists are “the Rebels”. They are rebelling against the Kiev coup government, hence....


21 posted on 05/23/2014 11:34:23 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

You two seem to want too, as well as obongi,

and he didn’t care about Maidan it was soros and EU

that financed. Us just gave foreign aid over years,.

He don’t know dung from shinola, let alone Ukraine.

And his tepid response means damage to Ukraine and that

he and putler are commies/fascists of the same stripe...

the “little writing men” on the net.....

They want to destroy Ukraine...


22 posted on 05/23/2014 11:37:07 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: tcrlaf

Multiple reports, even from Euromaidan PR, that Right Sector militia men are involved in operations in the east.


23 posted on 05/23/2014 11:39:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

Kiev coup government— lies—

The elected Rada voted him out, like impeach and he left,
with his friends 80 billions...

Like if congress impeach obongi he’d be expected to leave.

‘’the little writing men and their lies....””


24 posted on 05/23/2014 11:44:28 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: caww

EuromaidanPR and the Kiev post were trumpeting for a week how the “Donbas” Right Sector was moving through towns, getting closer to Donetsk. They also said the Pro-Russians were “fleeing for the border”.

OOPS....
Last night they got their a***s handed to them, and events of the last 2 days clearly show that not only are they not leaving, but have gained the upper hand against the disorganized Kiev troops and militias, tactically.


25 posted on 05/23/2014 11:48:21 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: hubel458

Blah, blah, blah.
I say tomato. you say to-ma-to.

Events have spoken for themselves, no matter how hard you try to deny it.


26 posted on 05/23/2014 11:50:10 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww; tcrlaf

Well they came to rescue of UKR Army unit under attack

yesterday........... is that an operation........

............ you object to............

Since Kolo and Akmetov have paid leave, their work force

to go and demonstrate in favor of UKR, in favor of

elections, help patrol Maripol and drive out terrorists

YOU TWO HAVE WENT ABSOLUTLY BONKERS ON HERE, LIKE

YOU ARE OM KREMLIN TROLL NET PAYROLL.............


27 posted on 05/23/2014 11:52:07 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: hubel458

Hardly anybody showed up for Akmetov’s “Demonstration”. His workers obviously don’t support it.

Akmetov is shocked, just shocked, to find that separatism is going on in Donetsk. And he’s just trying to cover his butt after Kiev threatened to nationalize his assets. He’s playing both sides, which is apparently his history.

In addition, the Russians are starting to hit back at some of the coup-supporting Ukrainian Oligarchs. Just yesterday they got Cyprus to freeze the assets of the coup-appointed Oligarch Governor of Donetsk, Sergei Taruta.

If you recall, it was the protest against his unelected appointment by Kiev after the coup, that kicked off the whole mess in the Southeast.


28 posted on 05/24/2014 12:02:35 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: hubel458

“YOU ARE OM KREMLIN TROLL NET PAYROLL.............”

lol...
What does it pay?
It’s going to be a great weather weekend, and I could use some gas for the plane.


29 posted on 05/24/2014 12:03:52 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

quote-have gained the upper hand against the disorganized Kiev troops and militias, tactically.

CORRECT— why, well your russian stooge yanu decimated
the UKR army down to a small fraction of what it was.

And newly formed militias without formal training,
no proper coordination can have problems....;

But is that a reason for Ukraine to be subjugated
to russia.......

Many thousands of ‘’little writing men’’ are shafting UKR


30 posted on 05/24/2014 12:10:25 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: tcrlaf

quote-Akmetov is shocked, just shocked, to find that separatism

wrong— investigations showed he encouraged it to

start with, as he has until now been putlers buddy,

but now getting cold feet as he is not sure that

the east will suceed in leaving, federating with russia

and he be left the big cheeze in putlers retinue.

BUT KOLO WHEN HE TURNED HIS GUYS LOOSE SHAFTED THE

CERTAINTY OF THOSE PLANS....


31 posted on 05/24/2014 12:20:51 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
"But it appears that many -- if not most -- of its voters will not be able to take part in Ukraine's presidential election on May 25 . . ."

LOL.

Since day one of their coup the Kiev Kiddies have been planning to ignore the voting results from the Southeast and several regions in the East as well. The Kiev Kiddies didn't even offer token resistance to Russia moving into Crimea nor did they react to protests and the seizure of armories in East and Southeast Ukraine once their proud Parachute Brigade all joined the locals. That is, they didn't react until the IMF told them that without control of those areas their loans would be reconsidered.

From the way they behaved, they wanted Russia to take over the Southeast Ukraine along with Crimea and did everything they could to make it as easy for them as taking Crimea was. Unfortunately for them, Putin isn't as stupid as they are. While Crimea was and is critical to Russia, Putin knows that if he just waits a while he'll probably have Southeast Ukraine handed to him on a silver platter by Ukrainians and Europeans anxious to have Russia take control there.

While the Kiev Coup Kiddies and the Right Sector types didn't resist the Russians in Crimea, they're now happy to have the chance to to kill fellow Ukrainians they call "ethnic Russians" or "terrorists" for doing exactly the same sort of things the Kiev Kiddies themselves were doing several months ago. That's all you really need to know to see through all the lies out of Kiev and the media who when told to jump ask "how high".

The Kiev Coup Kiddies are the public face of a loose alliance of organized crime groups, that's all. They couldn't gain power under the rules that have held sway since Ukraine independence, so they used a mob to take power. Whatever middlemen they were dealing with convinced them the EU and NATO would rush right in and keep them in power. Now they know the middlemen they were dealing with are every bit as stupid as the Kiev Coup Kiddies leadership is. Not only has Putin behaved differently than they expected him to, the EU and NATO have as well.

Anyone who thinks the Naziboys will go quietly into the night when their allies now in charge don't win the upcoming elections is just plain stupid.

32 posted on 05/24/2014 12:28:48 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: hubel458

“investigations showed he encouraged it to start with,”

That’s what I said, though sarcasticly. Now that he finds his own money at risk, he tries to play both sides, only his employees aren’t cooperating.


33 posted on 05/24/2014 12:32:17 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: hubel458

stick it up youer backside you obama lover!


34 posted on 05/24/2014 1:15:21 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Rashputin; tcrlaf; little jeremiah
...”Kiev didn't react until the IMF told them that without control of those areas their loans would be reconsidered”....

That's right...further...Kiev Gov. was ‘expecting’ Nato and US troops to assist them... even though they're not a NAto member. Once it was apparent that wasn't going to happen they resorted to “forcing” the issue, (Odessa), which by the way is standard operations when “asking” doesn't work....

US nor Russia would be pressured to fight a war neither wanted...both said they would not go to war over Ukraine.... Coupled with The Soldiers did not want to shoot their own people Keiv Leadership resorted to using Private Sector to do their dirty work, just as they did in the Maidan Revolution...and with the Odessa Massacre. Now some within the Private Sector are rebelling against Keiv Gov, along with the Oligarchs who support Private Sectors representation in Keiv Gov and fear loosing their power..... so there are instances where it's being reported they are shooting each other.....it's been said the 30 soldiers shot for not fighting was done by Private Sector.

You alluded to the possibility Keiv Gov. may not really want the Eastern areas and would be happier if they didn't have to deal with them....there was an effort/debate to draw up Ukrine 'without' the East....Keiv Leaders determined that they'd be better off in retaining and holding their power. However, the EU/US denied this for the economic loses of the industrial areas and the revenues Keiv would need to function and re-pay the vast loans to IMF etc.

Now there's a complete total cluster of warring parties throughout Ukraine....politically and in the battle areas......multi-layered with various agendas to control Ukraine and retain or gain power. Lots of money floating to control those in the field of play..on and off the field of battle.

This election is not going to change the dynamics of Ukraine overnight by any means. If Porsh. wins as I believe he will...he's going to play some hard ball with whomever is in the way and will have the US support, and Russia's to do so.

Yesterday news in Kiev Post stated..Keiv welcomes Russia acceptance to the outcome of the elections....thus already moving in the direction Porsh is going to take the new Gov. They would have never headlined this were they not positioning for the changes ahead. This has riled the Private Sector greatly.

35 posted on 05/24/2014 8:06:15 AM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
......gained the upper hand against the disorganized Kiev troops and militias, tactically.”.....

Tipping point perhaps and why they are now so successful and have been in these past few weeks.....”special forces” generally come in at tipping points, once more, to push war zones to one side or the other.IMO these soldiers have been involved all along...but moreso at this time and larger numbers sufficient to push this war and assist the Separatists/Anti-Kiev forces.

36 posted on 05/24/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
ROTFLOL...... Sec. o state Albright met 'Past' Yulie Tymoshenko in support 'of elections'....though in the video she makes it clear she does not represent the US Gov. Tymoshenko is really digging at the bottom of the barrel for support.

(via Kiev post....video at site)

"Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeline Albright expresses support for the Ukrainian presidential elections in meeting with candidate Yulia Tymoshenko Tymoshenko Tymoshenko."


37 posted on 05/24/2014 8:35:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Residential Candidates of Ukraine...voting is today...


39 posted on 05/24/2014 8:46:10 AM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
Ukraine's Maidan Square...stocking up for the next Maidan winter????


40 posted on 05/24/2014 8:49:34 AM PDT by caww
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Ukrainians will elect a President who wants one Ukraine and will be a pro West executive.

He will be smart enough to develop closer US and EU ties will being “diplomatic” towards Russia.

Russia can blame its own provocative actions for this coming tilt toward the Western sphere.


41 posted on 05/24/2014 8:53:56 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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42 posted on 05/24/2014 8:57:14 AM PDT by caww
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Agree except that Posh is already to do business with Putin.....Kiev news”....Kiev welcomes Russia's Acceptance of Election results”..change is already moving toward communication between Russia and Kiev....it's a given Posh is going to win.
43 posted on 05/24/2014 9:00:57 AM PDT by caww
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The Russians have accepted the election results because their annexation attempt failed in the East.

Ukraine will always have a relationship with Russia due to the energy connection.

But make no mistake, Russia with its actions, has guaranteed a strong tack to the West’s orbit.


44 posted on 05/24/2014 9:14:14 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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Did you marry some mail order Russian whore or something?


45 posted on 05/25/2014 3:54:03 PM PDT by Clemenza (Lurking)
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