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Veterans, PTSD and US Government Abandonment ^ | November 27, 2014 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 05/27/2014 4:28:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

Combat veteran Kryn Miner, 44, served 11 deployments in seven years. He suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and a traumatic brain injury after a bomb blast in Afghanistan in 2010 threw him into a wall. It was one of 19 blasts he endured over two decades of service to his country.

On April 29, Kryn died after being shot by his teenage son, who was acting in defense of himself, his mother and his siblings because Kryn had threatened to kill them and pulled out a gun. Prosecutors ruled that it was a justified shooting, absolving the teen from facing charges. It was a tragic ending to a stellar military career. But according to his wife, Amy, it wouldn't have happened if the U.S. government were as eager to care for veterans as it is to deploy them overseas in battle.

The 39-year-old widow explained to The Associated Press: "The truth of the matter is if we can't take care of our veterans we shouldn't be sending them off to war. It doesn't make sense. Because they're coming back and this is the result and it's happening more and more."

Kryn was laid to rest May 2. But other wounded warriors don't have to be if the U.S. government cares for America's best as it cared for them on the battlefields of war.

About 15 percent of veterans who served in Iraq or Afghanistan suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, according to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. Though estimates are lower for Gulf War vets, the percentage is even higher for Vietnam War vets.

Despite being stereotyped as a military-related illness, PTSD plagues a broad range of citizens (3.5 percent of U.S. adults) who have been impacted by personal assault or other types of trauma. PTSD can occur at any age, including childhood, according to Johns Hopkins Medicine.

The National Institute of Mental Health defines PTSD as "an anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to a terrifying event or ordeal in which there was the potential for or actual occurrence of grave physical harm. Traumatic events that may trigger PTSD include violent personal assaults, natural or human-caused disasters, accidents, and military combat. People with PTSD have persistent frightening thoughts and memories of their ordeal, may experience sleep problems, feel detached or numb, or be easily startled."

Speaking of medical military tragedies, who can stomach the latest political farce and cover-up from the Obama administration, the secret record keeping and delays in treatment at veterans hospitals that led to dozens of patients dying while waiting for care?

Even Jon Stewart noted this past week, "Here's what disgusts me: Somehow we as a country were able to ship 300,000 troops halfway across the world in just a few months to fight a war that cost us $2 trillion ... yet for some reason, it takes longer than that to get someone hurt in that war needed medical care or reimbursement -- all while we profess undying love for their service."

Speaking of utter neglect of America's best, Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi, a Purple Heart-decorated combat veteran who also suffers from PTSD, has remained in a Mexican prison since March 31, when he accidentally crossed the border into Mexico with three legally registered firearms in his vehicle, according to CNN. The Blaze explained that he had relocated to San Diego just days before and was still looking for a permanent place to live. That is why he still had most of his possessions in his car when he headed to dinner with friends only 1.7 miles from the Mexican border. Tahmooressi missed his intended exit. He was looking to circle back at the next exit, but it was too late; he had driven across the border. (The Blaze showed how easily this could happen to anyone by shooting video of a journalist on the same route.)

And what has been the White House's response to this Marine's undeserved and unwarranted incarceration crisis? To wait and watch for 100,000 signatures on a White House website petition asking for Tahmooressi to be freed. The website even explains, "Since incarceration his life has been threatened; sustained a neck wound requiring hospitalization and chained in a 4-point restraint." Does the president even consider how his present maltreatment is exacerbating his PTSD right now?

When the commander in chief resorts to hashtag diplomacy to free a decorated U.S. combat veteran from a groundless and unjust foreign incarceration only miles from our border, it should infuriate even his most ardent supporters.

Mr. President, you don't need to wait for 100,000 signatures by May 31 on a White House petition. You just need to get on the Oval Office hotline today and order Mexican officials to free that U.S. Marine immediately!

For Washington to play "out of sight, out of mind" with our veterans' lives and health is to abandon them and their families in their greatest hour of need. It intentionally delivers them to the wolves of this world and the many other battlefields of war aftermath.

America's best put everything on the line for us. The very least that we can do for them is ensure that they have proper health care when they return from the battlefields.

But if the U.S. government won't properly care for every last service member who risked it all, then we the people can -- one at a time. Let us start with those in our own families, neighborhoods and communities. Extend (another) hand of gratitude and express your appreciation for those who serve our country. Befriend a veteran. Help veterans' families. Give to groups such as the Wounded Warrior Project (

And if you or someone you know is being affected by PTSD, you can contact the Veterans Crisis Line by calling 800-273-8255 or by texting 838255. You also can chat confidentially with someone at Don't be afraid to call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room. The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline's number is 800-273-8255. There are more resources at

And for those so inclined, you can help Amy Miner and her children -- Lalaina, 18, Macintyre, 15, Trinity, 11, and Piper, 7 -- by sending donations to the Miner Family Fund. Go to

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; ptsd; veterans

1 posted on 05/27/2014 4:28:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’m baffled by the sentiments expressed in some of these articles. If the U.S. government didn’t give a sh!t about these military personnel when they were sent overseas, why would anyone expect the same government to give a sh!t about them when they came home?

2 posted on 05/27/2014 4:35:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Kaslin

Veterans should be getting deluxe care not the miserable share that is theirs.

3 posted on 05/27/2014 4:36:03 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Indeed they should, but instead it’s thank you for your service, now go away and don’t bother us.

4 posted on 05/27/2014 4:51:05 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Alberta's Child

This is happening because the people running the government are godless. Therefore, they want this to happen.

5 posted on 05/27/2014 4:52:06 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Kaslin

We’re asking fewer soldiers to do more...more deployments, more time in combat zones...more, more, more. Perpetual war is the new paradigm...we simply need mandatory military service to spread the load.

6 posted on 05/27/2014 5:06:49 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Kaslin

7 posted on 05/27/2014 5:09:16 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The “fourth estate”has morphed into a 5th column)
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To: Kaslin
Let me preface my remarks with I understand what today's veterans are saying and Obama not getting that kid out of Mexico is inexcusable.

Having said that, let me say this! This has been going on since there was a freaking VA. My husband is a combat, bronze star awarded real live freaking Vietnam Veteran and we are still fighting for benefits for him!

I am sorry that these guys are having a rough go. But try thinking about guys that came back here and not only were they not thanked, they were spit on and disregarded. People like John F'ning Kerry make we want to go ballistic. Sorry if anyone is offended but for the love of God! Why are today's vets anymore special then the others?

I just got a denial letter on our appeal. My husband served 1968-1969. Army, Air Cav.

8 posted on 05/27/2014 5:21:19 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Kaslin
Combat veteran Kryn Miner, 44, served 11 deployments in seven years. He suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder ...
The problem is that we have allowed veterans to claim PTSD who suffer from little more than a hangnail and other insignificant discomforts.
Then we throw guys with real problems, like Miner, into the same pot and they end up getting lost. He's just another "victim."
The VA was never designed to handle medical problems for vets with non-service connected injuries or hurt feelings.
For the vast, and still increasing, number of vets who still feel bad (i.e., "PTSD") because their drill instructor yelled at them in 1972, the only help they should get is a stern - get over it!
9 posted on 05/27/2014 5:25:49 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
Agreed, you will not believe how many guys are going in there and crying and getting 100% disability.

My husband married me 7 years ago. Prior to that for years he bounced from place to place and job to job, no one ever lived with him long. Why? He would not complain if he had a nail sticking out of his head. He had nightmares every night for years. I won't go into the whole thing, but I will say that I got him the help and he is much better, but it burns me up that these posers in many cases are getting 100%.

To me it's not the money. The Army sent him back damaged, they should have fixed him. Course had they fixed him, he would not have been available to meet me most likely. But I know some of this 100% is BS, from an inside source.

10 posted on 05/27/2014 5:39:43 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: defconw
But I know some of this 100% is BS, from an inside source.
I've known it's BS for decades. A former fellow Marine I worked with was an engineer (not a grunt) and brought home an NVA helmet he found in 1969.
Twenty years later he's at the VA whining he can't stop thinking about the guy who wore it. Oooooh, woe is me, PTSD, where's my money?

Two weeks ago I had lunch with a guy I went to HS with. He was Air Farce at Cam Rahn Bay ... i.e., in the rear with the gear.
During lunch he announces he's going to the VA because when TET Offensive broke out (45 years ago!), they made him put on a helmet and gave him a rifle, just in case.
His complaint? He was AF and never trained to fight and now he has nightmares. Oooooh, woe is me, PTSD, where's my money?
11 posted on 05/27/2014 5:57:08 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
OMG! I think they should not be able to claim PTSD unless they were actually in combat. Period. I don't even care about the money it's the freaking principle. My guy had his life crushed by these miserable bastards in the VA.

To this day their solution is take a pill. I hate these bastards and wish my husband would just go to a private doc, but he won't so that's that.

12 posted on 05/27/2014 6:02:31 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: defconw

There is no excuse for the way that our elitist govt has treated our vets. If they don’t want to treat our vets with the utmost respect, then don’t send them into harms way to do your dirty work. Typical RATS - they sent them into hostile situations,then spit on them (figuratively and literally). If they don’t want to take care of them keep them here and watch the rest of the world implode within itself. I wonder how long it would take?

13 posted on 05/27/2014 7:02:41 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: Cyclone59
Well exactly, the same idiots who spat on the guys back then are the idiots in charge now, with the exception of King Barack who was a child then, but look who he hung around with. A bunch of 60’s radicals.
14 posted on 05/27/2014 7:36:02 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: oh8eleven

I stand with President Bush on the issue of “PTSD”... Dubya insists upon dropping the word “Disorder” from the phrase, and insists that people start recognizing it as a condition that is actually an injury.

“Disorder” brings a stigma, like there is something “wrong” with the sufferer... when perhaps the problem is that someone is expecting to be able to bear the sudden change from being effectively abandoned in a hostile, dangerous environment to one at home... of no expectations, ambivalence, and casual disconnectedness.

It sucks coming home from war, and not having anyone to relate to.

15 posted on 05/27/2014 8:24:24 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

They need to get back to calling it “Shellshock.”

16 posted on 05/27/2014 8:25:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin

The VA for some reason seems to be graded on how many varied diagnoses they can accomplish for PTSD.
I have always had a disability rating for multiple shell fragment and bullet wounds. As I aged the injuries kept degrading my health and in my 50’s I went to the VA to be re-evaluated for the 70% rating I held since discharge in 1970. The re-evaluation ended up rerating the 70% to (by their fuzzy math) up to 140% disabled. By this time I needed a prosthetic to be able to walk so I welcomed the rating increase as I couldn’t work anymore. Part of my re-eval was to go thru the Agent Orange study as I served in, and my infantry unit patrolled in a heavily defoilated area. A part of the Agent Orange study was a 1 hour psych eval. As a result of seeing the psych for 1 hour having never seen a VA shrink ever before resulted in a 50% rating increase to 190% for a PTSD diagnosis which made no difference to my benefits but allowed them to add another PTSD diagnosis to their chart. I never got any attention to any health compaint for actual Agent Orange related conditions (at 64 I have chloracne around my eye sockets since 1968), But lo and behold have a PTSD rating I didn’t ask for and didn’t agree with. I firmly believe they have some sort of quota to meet with non specific injury ratings.

17 posted on 05/27/2014 9:09:00 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: Kaslin

America has a long history of abandoning its vets. This is not new.

18 posted on 05/27/2014 9:20:13 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: dfwgator
Exactly! It's a condition. Much of it is anxiety. It's like a feeling of impending doom and being hyper-vigilent. When people are extremely anxious it's very hard to concentrate and that leads to frustration which leads to self medicating for so very many of them.
19 posted on 05/27/2014 9:21:53 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: defconw

I didn’t agree with a lot George Carlin said, but if I were there for this, I would have given him a standing ovation.

20 posted on 05/27/2014 9:26:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: oh8eleven
H=There may be some fraud bet be careful not to trivialize PTSD

It's likely to have destroyed more lives than bullets.

21 posted on 05/27/2014 9:27:40 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: dfwgator
Right On! Right On! What they should have done is not take the guy out of a jungle and drop him directly back into the US with no counseling or screening.

In WWII, the guys came back on ships they could decompress. I also have to think that on those long ships home, the Doc's could identify the guys that were having a hard time still.

But they pluck him out, send him home and he has family and friends all clamoring for stories etc. They are not ready for all that hoopla yet.

22 posted on 05/27/2014 9:39:48 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: defconw

Also during WWII, EVERYONE was involved in the war in some capacity on the home front.

Like they said during Operation Iraqi Freedom. “We went to war, while the rest of America went to the mall.”

23 posted on 05/27/2014 9:50:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: defconw

yes, you have talk with people who have been there and done that. You have little to say to those who have not. PTSD is fear and isolation that will not go away.When the isolation is dealt with you can work on the fear.

24 posted on 05/27/2014 9:51:32 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
be careful not to trivialize PTSD
Me trivialize? I'm former USMC arty, spent 13 months in combat on the DMZ. I've suffered PTSD from the first day I landed on Parris Island, let alone VN.
What do I get for it - not a damned thing - it came with deal when I enlisted.
And your assertion that "PTSD likely to have destroyed more lives than bullets" is absolute BS.
PTSD is just an excuse for bad behavior, bad choices and bad lifestyle. It's the military version of the race card.
25 posted on 05/27/2014 9:56:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Mariner

It’s so hard to get him to talk about it.

26 posted on 05/27/2014 10:01:29 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: dfwgator


27 posted on 05/27/2014 10:03:12 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: oh8eleven

you are sadly misinformed

28 posted on 05/27/2014 10:54:20 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
I post my personal experiences and you reply that I'm misinformed?
Feckin' moron.
29 posted on 05/27/2014 11:02:33 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

I too have personal experience

30 posted on 05/27/2014 12:51:23 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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