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Kentucky Guv: Either McConnell Is Clueless Or Misleading On Obamacare
talkingpointsmemo.com ^ | 5/28/14 | Daniel Straus

Posted on 05/29/2014 5:22:14 AM PDT by cotton1706

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To: Impy
I don't want either the liberal Grimes or the liberal McConnell to win. McConnell is the greater evil in all of this, since he provides critical republican leadership that has promised to crush conservatives, and supported Reid's agenda with critical procedural votes.

I promise that I will work to politically destroy any liberal republican candidate.

The easy solution is for the GOP to run conservative candidates that accord with the party platform, and don't attack conservatives. That seems to be out of the question.

/johnny

61 posted on 05/29/2014 6:55:20 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

“If you wanted the Senate to be a more conservative body you wouldn’t want to replace a Senator with a career ACU rating of above 90 (over 30 years, mind you; it’s been even higher the past few years)”

Aahh. The ACU Lifetime rating falsehood, where politicans can use their votes from twenty years ago to give them cover for last year or the before that. Here are McConnell’s ratings from other agencies and his average. It’s not above 90%, it’s 83%. And if you leave out the ACU (which protects incumbents), his average is 78%.

As I’ve said many times, if McConnell was a back-bencher with his voting record, I would support him. But his insidious and scheming actions over the past several years show that he should be thrown out of office. His Debt Ceiling scheme alone disqualifies him for another term. He ceded the borrowing power from the legislative to the executive, his plan saying that the debt ceiling would go up automatically unless the congress by two-thirds vote disallowed it, which the executive veto. This is just one of the many government-protecting “deals” he has come up with. I want us to be rid of him.

McConnell (KY) - - 83% (Average) - 80% (Heritage) - 87% (CFG) - 92% (ACU) - 73% (FreedomWorks)


62 posted on 05/29/2014 6:56:20 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I don't advocate the election of any liberal of any party.

Don't expect me to vote for a liberal republican candidate, even if the race is close, though.

/johnny

63 posted on 05/29/2014 6:57:35 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tennmountainman

So you’re hoping that the 90% liberal Democrat will defeat the 90% conservative Republican, and say that “he had it coming”? Let s say that McConnell does deserve to lose—why would *you* want the liberal Democrat to win? Freaking Todd Akin deserved to lose in MO in 2012 for his stupidity, but I still would have crawled over broken glass to elect him, since the alternative (6 more years of the liberal Democrat McCaskill) was far worse. If you truly believe that McConnell will lose and wish to make that prediction for the record, be my guest, but making it a self-fullfilling prophesy by working for McConnell’s defeat is not worthy of a FReeper.


64 posted on 05/29/2014 6:58:39 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: GeronL

“Best buddy ... in the GOP” ???

Ever heard of a guy named “Richard Nixon”? Between cementing LBJ’s Great Society into place AND going down in a massive scandal that ushered in the Congressional classic 1974 and Jimmy Carter I think you lack a lot of historical perspective on this matter.

McConnell is an a**hole. But attacking him with overwrought hyperbole and histrionics only serves to undermine your own position.


65 posted on 05/29/2014 6:59:35 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: cotton1706

Exactly. These Bushites hate facts.

Plus, one could have a 90% conservative rating and vote for Amnesty.


66 posted on 05/29/2014 7:00:09 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Impy
Madness, hoping a liberal democrat will get elected to the Senate over an 85%+ conservative Republican, absolute insane madness.

Impy, Impy, Impy...

Please don't throw around that "85%+ conservative Republican" rating here, it doesn't fly. It's worth crap. Anyone with half a functioning brain cell knows that it's manipulated to fool the rubes. How? Easy. You place enough votes on extremely inconsequential - but "conservative" things, which ups your supposed "rating", then backstab conservatives on the important votes. Voila! A "conservative" rating!

That so-called "conservative rating" thing isn't worth a smelly Obama. Go peddle it somewhere else.

67 posted on 05/29/2014 7:01:12 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine
Let me apologize to all Kentuckians in advance, but, I have had direct dealings with Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, he is the single most foolish of all the governors I have ever en-counted.

You have obviously never met Andrew Cuomo.

68 posted on 05/29/2014 7:03:49 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: cotton1706

I don’t have the time ir the inclination to dissect each of those vote ratings and their methodology, but it suffices to say that Grimey’s scores would be in single digits by every single group you mentioned. That is why none of those conservative groups want Grimey to be elected. The ones who want Grimey elected are the ADA, the LCV, AFSCME, the ACLU, and you.


69 posted on 05/29/2014 7:03:55 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

No, I’m hoping KY conservatives send a really big message to McConnell
and the GOPe’s.

You will pay a price if you trash the same voters you will need to win.
So, don’t do it again.

Calm down. You will still get your monthly gov check if McConnell loses.


70 posted on 05/29/2014 7:04:21 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yawn. You’re a real hero.

Grimey and Harry Reid thank you for your moral equivalency of a 90% conservative record (call it 80% if you wish) and a 10% conservative record.


71 posted on 05/29/2014 7:06:50 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: COBOL2Java

I don’t think I’ll do that COBOL2Java but thanks for the suggestion.

I oppose Obama’s choice for the seat, call me crazy.


72 posted on 05/29/2014 7:08:08 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
The published 'conservative records' are BS. They exclude the critical supporting cloture votes that actually get legislation moved.

All of your arm waving won't get conservatives to vote for liberal candidates.

Those days are coming to a close.

/johnny

73 posted on 05/29/2014 7:09:05 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: KYGrandma

The people I know will vote for McConnell.
___________________________________________________________

You apparently hang out with a bunch of idiots.


74 posted on 05/29/2014 7:09:10 AM PDT by Din Maker (Susana Martinez in 2016! Governor, Conservative, Female and Hispanic)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

“I don’t have the time ir the inclination to dissect each of those vote ratings and their methodology”

I created the average specifically to refute the lifetime rating nonsense that politicians use for cover. And they’ll naturally always use and tout the agency which gives them the best rating.

As to your other point, a democrat will ALWAYS have a worse vote rating than ANY republican. The best rated democrat is worse than the worst rated republican (Susan Collins).

The question is: how long do we keep these traitors in our midst just because they have an “r” next to their name? I advocate for McConnell’s removal by the people. He worked very hard to get himself the nomination again, so there is now only one recourse, his defeat in November. And I won’t shed any tears.


75 posted on 05/29/2014 7:10:37 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: tennmountainman

“You will still get your monthly gov check if McConnell loses.”

As a 42-year-old who has never received a dime from the government (I never even attended public school), and does not expect to see a dime of Social Security even when I retire in 25 years (if it hasn’t gone belly-up before then, they’ll put in means-testing and I’ll be excluded), I think that your remark couldn’t be further off the mark if you tried. Go buy some more cyanide for your Suicide Squad.


76 posted on 05/29/2014 7:11:58 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Impy
I oppose Obama’s choice for the seat, call me crazy.

Then why do you support his enablers?

77 posted on 05/29/2014 7:16:59 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: lakecumberlandvet; All

HERE’S HOW TO GET RID OF MITCH WITHOUT VOTING FOR GRIMES:

In South Carolina, Thomas Ravenel, from a well-known political family, who has a lot of money, has vowed to run for the SC Senate seat as an Indy in November if Lindsey Graham wins the GOP Primary. (See link below.) WHY NOT FIND SOMEONE WHO HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO DO THE SAME IN KENTUCKY AND “DITCH MITCH”?

http://www.thestate.com/2014/04/07/3374154/thomas-ravenel-eyes-independent.html


78 posted on 05/29/2014 7:17:19 AM PDT by Din Maker (Susana Martinez in 2016! Governor, Conservative, Female and Hispanic)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

For 42 years old you should know a lot more about how “conservative
rating system” works.

You could have a 90% rating and for for cloture on bad bills.
You could have a 90% rating and vote for Amnesty and that one
Amnesty vote will not even make a dent in your 90% rating score.


79 posted on 05/29/2014 7:21:10 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: cotton1706

If you think that adding up final scores and finding the mean is “dissecting,” then you are even more superficial than I thought. I’m referring to looking at the votes considered and excluded, and the weight given to each vote, by each group. And as for you revelation that Democrats always have less conservative voting records than Republicans, thanks for making one of my points.

You had your chance to replace McConnell with someone more conservative (or bolder, which is your biggest beef with McConnell) earlier this year, but instead of recruiting a good candidate with a proven record you chose to back some guy off the street with no discernible political track record, nothing to back up his claims of being a conservative, a trped-up résumé with a whopper of a lie, and a knack for going to the wrong activities and saying the wrong things. Given that as disastrous and unqualified as Bevin was he still got 35%, a good candidate certainly could have beaten McConnell. Look at Mississippi, where Thad Cochran (who, BTW, is far more liberal than McConnell) is on the ropes, because a strong, qualified candidate challenged him; that could have been McConnell. If you wish to replace a Republican with someone more conservative, you find someone more conservative who can beat him in the primary and win the general, you don’t run a nobody in the primary and then actively campaign for the liberal Democrat in the general.


80 posted on 05/29/2014 7:24:34 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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