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Police didn’t search database showing Calif. shooter had bought guns (Must Read)
Washington Post ^ | May 30, 2014 | Kimberly Kindy and Alice R. Crites

Posted on 05/30/2014 10:43:16 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

With the toughest gun-control regulations in the country, California has a unique, centralized database of gun purchases that law enforcement officers can easily search. It offers precious intelligence about a suspect or other people they may encounter when responding to a call.

But this rare advantage wasn’t enough to help authorities head off the May 23 rampage in Santa Barbara that claimed six victims.

Before a half-dozen sheriff’s deputies knocked on Elliot Rodger’s door last month in response to concerns raised by his mother about his well-being, they could have checked the database and discovered he had bought three 9mm semiautomatic handguns. Several law enforcement officials and legal experts on gun policy said this might have given deputies greater insight into Rodger’s intentions and his capability for doing harm.

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Technically, the database is not a registry, but rather a record of a firearm “transfers.” It records nearly all gun sales, because California law prohibits the sale of guns between private parties.

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“If they found out he bought 40 magazines, that would have been the end of it,” said Wintemute, who is also an emergency room doctor and professor of emergency medicine. “I don’t think anyone could talk their way out of 40 magazines. Three handguns could be aggressive collecting; 40 magazines is stockpiling. You are preparing for some kind of event. With the family saying he was possibly suicidal, it wouldn’t have been too hard to connect the dots.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; elliotrodger; gundatabase
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A lot of Kali krap in this article.
1 posted on 05/30/2014 10:43:16 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
Three handguns could be aggressive collecting; 40 magazines is stockpiling. You are preparing for some kind of event.

Absolutely stupid statement.

2 posted on 05/30/2014 10:46:59 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Second Amendment First

ßookmark


3 posted on 05/30/2014 10:48:03 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Second Amendment First

I guess they will also now have to register knives.


4 posted on 05/30/2014 10:48:47 AM PDT by bikerman (Imagination is more important than intelligence)
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To: Starstruck

After the shootings, state Sen. Kevin de León (D-San Diego), renewed calls for a statewide database that would track detailed information about ammunition purchases.

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“As the bill is written, you can’t dispose of ammunition in any current, lawful way. You can’t even sell it back to a vendor,” Combs said. “Even if you buy a case and you use it all, the government doesn’t know that, because it doesn’t have provision for that. So it forces you to stockpile ammunition.”


5 posted on 05/30/2014 10:49:25 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

“Capitola Police Chief Rudy Escalante said, for instance, that it would be “virtually impossible” to consult the database for every person who is acting strangely.”

But they did have time to send seven officers to go talk to him. Really, these police must be dumber than a box of rocks. They look at everything as storming a citadel, rather than using what brains God gave them.


6 posted on 05/30/2014 10:50:11 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Second Amendment First

Sounds like the LEOs were negligent and share some responsibility in this tragedy.

The officers involved should be fired and be held PERSONALLY liable. And don’t palm any multimillion dollar settlement off onto the backs of the taxpayers.


7 posted on 05/30/2014 10:52:00 AM PDT by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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Three handguns could be aggressive collecting; 40 magazines is stockpiling. You are preparing for some kind of event.

The good doctor would have a fecal hemorrhage if he could see inside my house, where shotguns adorn the walls, loaded pistols are in every room, and there are lots of 20mm ammo cans full of rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammo.

/johnny

8 posted on 05/30/2014 10:54:21 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Second Amendment First

Richard Martinez absolved the police and the killer so this is all irrelevant.


9 posted on 05/30/2014 10:56:21 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: bkopto
The supreme court has ruled that the police have no specific obligation to protect anyone. They are immune from malpractice.

/johnny

10 posted on 05/30/2014 10:56:21 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ßuddaßudd

The deputies could have also looked at the actual posts that were concerning the parents they didn’t do that either. Did the parents mention that he was a diagnosed, unmediated schizophrenic. That seems like it ought to be a warning sign.


11 posted on 05/30/2014 10:57:07 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Starstruck

Scan the manifesto, view the YT (if still avail).
This guy was a total head case.
From age 8 on.


12 posted on 05/30/2014 10:57:21 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Second Amendment First

When the government bureaucrats get caught not using the laws and regulations already on the books to stop criminal activity, the liberals politicians cover up the negligence of the government workers by saying new laws are needed.

It seems in almost any situation today, there are more than enough laws on the books. The problem is getting government to enforce the laws. Such as illegal aliens.

In this case 6 or more officers went to Rodger’s apartment to interview him. Just maybe if one of them had stayed behind and checked the gun registry, Rodger’s crime spree could have been stopped then.

When 6 or more officers respond to such a call it indicates they have too many officers with too little work to do. They have gotten lazy and a bunch of people are dead or severely injured.


13 posted on 05/30/2014 10:58:37 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: JRandomFreeper

Picked up three dozen 5.56 mags, 30 round each, at a garage sale for $2 each.


14 posted on 05/30/2014 10:59:20 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: thorvaldr

And that, gentle readers, is the problem with databases.

Either you get bombarded with so much data that it becomes meaningless, or you get overly clever with queries and data mining that you start to believe that there ‘just couldn’t be anything wrong with the data.’


15 posted on 05/30/2014 10:59:48 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (Liars use facts when the truth doesn't suit their purposes.)
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To: Second Amendment First

The New York daily News’ article about this event has some interesting comment made by various “commentators”. Now for some reason, it is being viewed as a ‘Racist” event by several of the posters because of this guy’s “manifesto”.

ZHow’s that for typical New York City BS?


16 posted on 05/30/2014 11:00:25 AM PDT by Mr. C (Take Back America!)
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To: Second Amendment First

The databases have nothing to do with protecting the public.

They are all about preparing for confiscation.


17 posted on 05/30/2014 11:01:58 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Starstruck
Three handguns could be aggressive collecting; 40 magazines is stockpiling. You are preparing for some kind of event.

What about the Governments massive weapons and ammo purchases. What do you think of those? Stockpiling for a big event are they?

18 posted on 05/30/2014 11:02:59 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Do they have a comprehensive knife database in California?


19 posted on 05/30/2014 11:04:33 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Second Amendment First

bfl


20 posted on 05/30/2014 11:07:06 AM PDT by Reddy (bo stinks)
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