Posted on 06/02/2014 3:57:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
The point is not to convert the fascist, but the people nearby who are not radical and are willing to passivly overhear your argument.
Post of the day and it’s not even daylight here yet!
Old joke-
Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over all the pieces, crap all over the board, and then strut around looking victorious.
Good points,
I do the same thing.. I ask them questions that force them to defend their positions, e.g., “Given the fact the U.S. government is clearly unable to provide medical services to those we’re all told are the country’s finest... what data convinces you such a system can successfully deliver those services under a single-payer approach to 315 million people?”
I have yet to get an answer other than babbling about “corporations,” “greed,” “inequality,” etc.
“...we are wat oast dialogue with the left.”
Absolutely.
IMHO
“...how do you communicate with a person who doesn’t recognize logic?”
Hell is a place where logic doesn’t exist and that’s where the hardcore fourty-per-cent-plus of the electorate is taking us.
IMHO
I agree- Debate- and be clear - even it is on just 1
subject!
The dufus lieberals in my family are always spouting
off the latest crap -direct from the DNC-
here is how to answer some:
A. “8 million people signed up for health care- Yea!”
How many have lost?- (approaching 7 million)
I thought there was 38 million without?
Health care costs have risen faster than ever-
and are just starting-
and HOW many hospitals and clinics have closed?
Being liberals- they will not listen to reason- but
the younger people who hear this conversation may
start to question the lies they hear 24 x 7 from the MSM
Sometimes you can spur the thought processes by one upping them. They want a minimum wage of $20/hour, say you can’t live on that, it has to be $50/hour.
They want single payer health care, you agree and say that the government should provide a car and a 3 BR home to everyone as well.
They want to ban fossil fuels, you agree and counter that the government should ban automobiles and make everyone move to a city where they can walk or bike.
Sometimes a real crazy person will agree with you, but usually they will say that’s going to far. Then you say, how far is too far and who’s to decide that?
I do this one all the time. When they say they want a minimum wage of $15/hr, I say, "Why not make it $50/hr? If $15 is good, then $50 should be better, right?" Then I sit back and enjoy the stupid looks on their faces. Deep down, they know there has to be something wrong with what I just said, but they cannot for the life of them figure out what it is.
“I have several lib/leftist acquaintances. Their thinking is SO warped that you cannot have an intelligent, rational, reasonable discussion/conversation with them on anything but the most mundane, nonpolitical topics’
Try this next time.
Don’t disagree with them agree with them and make even more bazar leftist statements than they are making.
If they disagree with your bazar statements go directly into name calling, hater, racist, denier, right wing extremist, just the same as they always do.
Let them see themselves.
Sounds like a fun debate tactic - just take their policy desires to their logical conclusions (ie, the real goals),
and see if they defend them.
BTTT!
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Word for Today:
“ Fascism: Noun. - - - A system of Government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of the opposition - - - “
Hitler, Hitler,
He’s our Man!
If he can’t do it,
Judge Roberts can!
Roberts, Roberts,
He’s our Man!
If he can’t do it,
Geithner’s IRS can!
Geightner, Geithner,
He’s our Man!
If he can’t do it,
BLM’s Reid can!
Reid, Reid,
He’s our Man!
If he can’t do it,
Soetoro’s NSA can!
Soetoro, Soetoro,
He’s our Man!
If he can’t do it,
Obama’s EPA can.
Obama, Obama,
He’s our man!
If he can’t do it,
Gestapo Holder can!
Holder, Holder,
He’s our Man!
If he can’t do it,
The Democrats
Damn sure will!
Damn. They're half right. The USPS isn't losing the money that you hear in the headlines. They're being robbed of much of that. USPS is a successful, and reasonably efficient example of a government run agency, only, they're only a quasi government run agency. For example, I can't think of any other government run agency that has invested heavily in automation, rightly or wrongly, and has actually shrunk the work force. Rightly or wrongly. This last round of closures has hurt the business, but the USPS will plod along and pretend that everything is skittles. This pretend parlor game of having the USPS run as an independent, free business, while being under the control of Congress, has indeed reaped some efficiency.
Unfortunately, they then stumble into the idiocy of "taxes too low and unfair competition with the private sector" as reasons for the money loss. It's utter ignorance of what they speak, and the necessity to regurgitate headlines, professorial puke, and what they read on twitter that leads to such un-insightful comments.
I agree - never accept their premises (which are always wrong) and go on the offensive. Treat them with the disdain they deserve.
I don’t agree entirely. An awful lot of conservatives started out as liberals. They must have changed their minds at some point.
That is no doubt the best way to talk to idiots but sometimes I forget that I am talking to idiots and address them as if they actually had a thought process. That is my grievious error. One of my favorite memories is when a full blown liberal clown who steadfastly denied being one made some ridiculous remark and when I disagreed with it he came back with, “There is no one as blind as someone who refuses to see.” I immediately answered him with, “Then why don’t you see instead of refusing?” To my surprise he actually complimented me on the speed of my “turnaround”. He seemed to admire the art of turning his own rhetoric back against him.
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