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Wow: Planned Parenthood points to the BIBLE to justify having anů
youngcons.com ^ | June 2, 2014 | David Rufful

Posted on 06/02/2014 12:29:42 PM PDT by topher

This “pastoral letter” was sent by Planned Parenthood and it reads:

Many people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian—and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

The letter text:

The decision to have an abortion is personal. Though your reasons may be complicated and private, you’re not alone. As religious leaders from a number of religious traditions, we’re here to support you in your decision.

Many people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian—and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

The beliefs of each person are deserving of respect, and each person deserves care and compassion. No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.

We believe this decision is yours, made with your doctor and anyone else you choose to bring into the conversation, such as a spouse, partner, parent, or clergy person. …

God loves you and is with you no matter what you decide. You can find strength, understanding, and comfort in that love.


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Note that the site is for Young Conservatives -- not the other type of cons, which tend to be criminally oriented...

The letter ends saying that they will refer you to some pastor that supports abortion.

Pro-lifers need to contact Planned Parenthood to see who these pastors are so people can avoid them or try to convert them to the true Jewish or Christian faith.

1 posted on 06/02/2014 12:29:42 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

2 posted on 06/02/2014 12:32:57 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: topher

I recommend “The Protestant’s Dilemma” by Devin Rose. He discusses the whole thing about every Protestant has a different interpretation of the Bible. The most insidious of this letter is that God loves us no matter what. He loves us but if we reject Him, he cannot make us be with Him.


3 posted on 06/02/2014 12:33:58 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: topher
Father Paul Schenck once explained what the Jewish faith teaches about abortion: that in the Old Testament there was great joy in having children.

Rachel lamenting that she did not have any children is the case where a woman is barren and in the Old Testament.

As far as Christianity is concerned, Jesus would have been foolish to speak about abortion as it was a central part of Jewish law/tradition to have children.

It is in the Didache or the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles to the Gentiles that abortion is prohibited. It also prohibited homosexuality.

The reason it is in these writings is that the audience was the Gentiles. Jewish people, at the time of Christ, knew that abortion was wrong.

4 posted on 06/02/2014 12:35:01 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

6th Commandment; “thou shall not murder” has no bearing?


5 posted on 06/02/2014 12:35:48 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mercat
You wrote:

The most insidious of this letter is that God loves us no matter what. He loves us but if we reject Him, he cannot make us be with Him.

Hell is full of people who think they can do whatever they want and have not consequences when they face God in judgement...

6 posted on 06/02/2014 12:36:39 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian...

Well, one could go to the "Declaration" of scripture, the ten commandments: "Thou Shalt NOT kill!"

7 posted on 06/02/2014 12:36:43 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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8 posted on 06/02/2014 12:36:48 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: topher

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5


9 posted on 06/02/2014 12:43:05 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: topher

These people who wrote this letter, came up with this wicked scheme....I am glad I am not them.


10 posted on 06/02/2014 12:48:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: C210N
Exodus 21:22-25 (ESV)

“When men strive [struggle/quarrel/contend/fight] together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.

"But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Interpretation: If the child lives, then the husband still has the right to demand a fine for the premature birth. If there is injury - note that the text does not distinguish between mother or child there - then everything up to and including the death penalty is on the table.

11 posted on 06/02/2014 12:49:11 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: topher

There’s nothing about pastors that makes them anything other than human. And, thanks to the abortion/baby parts industry, we’ve gotten a good look at how twisted, perverted and murderous humans can be.

As for the “complex decision,” it’s more often about convenience than anything else.


12 posted on 06/02/2014 12:50:45 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: musicman

The Didache: Teachings of the 12 apostles. Dated: 50-120 A.D.(Perhaps the earliest or amongst the earliest Christian/Catholic documents)

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

“And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.”

( Other links for the Didache: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04779a.htm


Notice also the other teachings and especially on the Eucharist. Most Protestant denominations and Bible believing churches just shrug this stuff off. The Catholics dont shrug this off and claim to be the Church established by Christ through his 12 apostles.

Chapter 9. The Eucharist. Now concerning the Eucharist, give thanks this way. First, concerning the cup:

We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever..

And concerning the broken bread:

We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever..

But let no one eat or drink of your Eucharist, unless they have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord has said, “Give not that which is holy to the dogs.”

Chapter 10. Prayer after Communion. But after you are filled, give thanks this way:

We thank Thee, holy Father, for Thy holy name which You didst cause to tabernacle in our hearts, and for the knowledge and faith and immortality, which You modest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Thou, Master almighty, didst create all things for Thy name’s sake; You gavest food and drink to men for enjoyment, that they might give thanks to Thee; but to us You didst freely give spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Thy Servant. Before all things we thank Thee that You are mighty; to Thee be the glory for ever. Remember, Lord, Thy Church, to deliver it from all evil and to make it perfect in Thy love, and gather it from the four winds, sanctified for Thy kingdom which Thou have prepared for it; for Thine is the power and the glory for ever. Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God (Son) of David! If any one is holy, let him come; if any one is not so, let him repent. Maranatha. Amen.

But permit the prophets to make Thanksgiving as much as they desire.


13 posted on 06/02/2014 12:53:22 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: topher
These people, whether sincere or not, are playing with fire. I tremble when I think of the judgement that awaits.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!. Isaiah 5:20

14 posted on 06/02/2014 12:53:52 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: topher
Bible too vague for you Planned Parenthood? How about the Code of Handsome Lake, the Seneca Prophet

SECTION 4

"'Now another word. It is sad. It is the fourth word. It is the way Yondwi'nias swa'yas. = "she cuts it off by abortion."

Now the Creator ordained that women should bear children.

Now a certain young married woman had children and suffered much. Now she is with child again and her mother wishing to prevent further sufferings designs to administer a medicine to cut off the child and to prevent forever other children from coming. So the mother makes the medicine and gives it. Now when she does this she forever cuts away her daughter's string of children. Now it is because of such things that the Creator is sad. He created life to live and he wishes such evils to cease. He wishes those who employ such medicines to cease such practices forevermore. Now they must stop when they hear this message. Go and tell your people.'"

So they said and he said. Eniaiehuk.

15 posted on 06/02/2014 12:58:03 PM PDT by Claud
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To: topher

“No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.”

But, PP just said abortion isn’t mentioned in any of the Scriptures, so how could somebody be forcing it if no faith’s documents condemns it?


16 posted on 06/02/2014 1:00:51 PM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: alancarp
Re: 11

I agree that passage in Exodus 21 clearly shows that there is a penalty for someone who would induce a miscarriage - or abortion. And for the case of killing the unborne infant - death.

And of course you have Exodus 20 (Thou Shalt Not Kill [Murder]).

And you have other various passages where God is appalled about the people sacrificing their babies to Molech.

Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Leviticus 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

The idea that God does not condemn the act of abortion is the ridiculous grasping of straws by the depraved. We can all make mistakes - but repent of them, don't encourage others to go down the same path. The "Pro-Choice" people need to choose correctly, and the choice is simple.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live...

17 posted on 06/02/2014 1:03:37 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Mercat

The stark fact remains, that “therapeutic” abortions were going on in Biblical times, and probably going back to the time when there were still Neanderthals among us. Some of the methods used probably were pretty brutal, threatening the life of the mother very nearly as much as the fetus being aborted, but the alternative was infanticide, a fairly common method of birth control up through probably the early 20th Century, until the emergence of Margaret Sanger.

Under the standards of the day, it was probably highly unlikely that the thrust of a knitting needle that caused an abortion, or a hatpin pushed into the “soft spot” on the top of the newborn’s head, would have been detected by the authorities. The abortion would appear to be “spontaneous”, and the infant suffered a “crib death”.

A lot of souls were condemned to purgatory or worse.


18 posted on 06/02/2014 1:22:14 PM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: Morgana

ping


19 posted on 06/02/2014 1:23:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: topher

“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
Psalm 139:13


20 posted on 06/02/2014 1:24:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: topher

I read your profile and found it a bit in error:

“The first example is the Battle of Lepanto. It took courage for the Western nations of Europe to band together and stand against the Turkish fleet — which might have overrun Western Europe with the Islamic faith.

In this great battle, all of the sailors were ordered to pray. It became not only a military battle but also a spiritual battle for this reason. The Christian forces seemed to be on the verge of a military defeat when there seemed to be a Divine intervention — a change in the wind that was extremely unfavorable to the Turkish fleet and gave the victory to the Christians.”

You attribute the Battle of Lepanto to Western Europe and Christian forces. Actually Northern Europe/Protestant nations did not and would not participate. It was Catholic Nations and Catholic Forces. It seems your copy and paste job is a little too general or generous, and inaccurate.


21 posted on 06/02/2014 1:27:39 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: Mercat

No thanks. Sounds dreadful.


22 posted on 06/02/2014 1:29:14 PM PDT by DManA
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To: topher

Something I wrote about 20 years ago:

There is in the Torah, in the Book of Exodus, Chapter XXI,
verses 22-25, a passage that has been used as a rationalization
for a pro-choice position. In the King James version it reads,
“If two men strive together, and hurt a woman with child (Ishah
Harah - pregnant woman), so that her fruit (Yelodehah - her
child) depart, and yet no harm (Ahsoon - misfortune, accident)
follows, he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s
husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges
determine. But if harm follow, then thou shalt give life for
life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”

Some have taken this passage to mean that, since the causing
of a miscarriage is not considered to be homicide, and since the
KJV calls the fetus “her fruit”, this is a sign that G-d wants
abortion legalized. Some modern translations have gone so far a
to insert “cause her to miscarry”, and many people actually
believe that this is what it says. Therefore, any Christian or
Jew who is pro-life is a hypocrite. My cousin, a Hebrew
teacher, made this very argument to our Rabbi, who was pro-life.

At my request, she translated this passage word for word,
and she no longer can use it as a rationalization for a pro-
choice position. She may still be pro-choice, but she can no
longer use this passage as her rationalization.

First, the fact that it says “V’yatzoo Yelodehah - and her
child departs, or goes out” not “and her fruit departs” as the
KJV so delicately puts it, or “and causes her to miscarry” as the
modern versions translate, makes it clear that what is in her
womb is a child, not an orange.

Second, as my cousin pointed out, the passage says “if no
harm follows”, but does not specify upon whom the harm is not
inflicted. It does not specify mother or child.

Third, even if the pro-choice interpretation is correct, it
does not support a pro-choice position, nor invalidate a pro-life
one. If the causing of a miscarriage through negligence is not
homicide, it is still described as a serious crime. What does
that say of an intentionally caused miscarriage, ie. abortion?


23 posted on 06/02/2014 1:30:47 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: jsanders2001

I don’t understand what true Christian leader could say it’s ok, that’s a wtf moment for me.

There are many false prophets and teachers in the last days.

We must be in the last days.


24 posted on 06/02/2014 1:41:07 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: alancarp

Amen. Right on the money.

AND we’re to love our neighbors as ourselves, and that little baby is the most innocent of our neighbors.


25 posted on 06/02/2014 1:59:37 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: topher

26 posted on 06/02/2014 2:03:29 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: topher

One can find ‘religious leaders’ advocating any particular sin from A to Z.

This does not legitimize the sin; it identifies the amount of wisdom the ‘religious leader’ has. In this case, none.


27 posted on 06/02/2014 2:05:07 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Mercat
Didn't you know that that " God loves us no matter what" is the new "Gospel"? /sarc
28 posted on 06/02/2014 2:06:18 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Bulwyf

> I don’t understand what true Christian leader could say it’s ok, that’s a wtf moment for me.

There are many false prophets and teachers in the last days.

We must be in the last days.

I don’t think there has been any time in history quite like we are in now. Similar yes but the technological advances we’ve made have taken control and power to an unprecedented level which is truly frightening. Events are lining up, prophesies are bearing themselves out, and we are seeing things we never thought would come to pass...Surely we are there...


29 posted on 06/02/2014 2:49:03 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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PP thrives on the killing of nascent, human life.


30 posted on 06/02/2014 2:51:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Daveinyork
If one truly understands Jewish Law, then only three things can be buried in a Jewish Cemetery:

1. The Torah (Religious books)

2. People

3. Unborn Babies

From this, Jewish tradition says that the unborn are viewed the same as people in terms of burying them in a Jewish graveyard.

Father Paul Schenck was raised as an Orthodox Jew, then he converted to Evangelical Christian. At that point he learned Aramaic and Greek, so he could read the Bible in its original form.

Finally, Father Paul Schenck converted to the Catholic faith and was ordained a priest.

As a pro-lifer, he had a case go to the US Supreme Court, which ruled 8-1 in his favor.

He is my source for this when I worked at PFL and he was a pastoral associate.

31 posted on 06/02/2014 2:54:11 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Mercat
The most insidious of this letter is that God loves us no matter what. He loves us but if we reject Him, he cannot make us be with Him.

You call the truth *insidious*?

Romans 5:6-8 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

God does love us, no matter what because God is love.

The error that too many people fall into, however, is equating that great, unconditional love for us into license to sin.

God is just and sin must be punished, even in those He loves.

To claim that God does not love us even while we are sinning or in the midst of sin, slanders God.

My children are my children no matter what they do. I love them and always will, not based on performance, but based on my relationship with them as their parent, and their being my children. But not for one second did that ever mean that I overlooked their disobedience.

32 posted on 06/02/2014 7:05:33 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Bulwyf
I don’t understand what true Christian leader could say it’s ok, that’s a wtf moment for me.

We need to combat the "no more wire hangers" motiff of pro-death forces with no-more-scissors symbolism.

People are afraid to confront what "late term abortion" really means.

There is no way in HELL that God approves of this.

33 posted on 06/03/2014 7:15:34 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

Of Course he doesn’t approve, he makes us, he knows us while we’re still in the womb.

I refuse to have anything to do with it. I don’t facebook, I don’t support pink ribbon crap, anything I find out that has anything to do with supporting abortion I fervently oppose.

I tick a lot of people off, but I don’t care, it’s God I answer to, not them.


34 posted on 06/03/2014 8:18:58 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Mercat; topher; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
I recommend “The Protestant’s Dilemma” by Devin Rose

Rather, Rose is actually an argument against being a RC. This article was posted and refuted before here by God's grace, and i even debated him on his blog, but after posting his response he allowed no more responses to the thread, then deleted our entire exchange , so i posted mine here and told him so, and never heard from him. Staples also refused to post mine rebuttal to the last one i saw here.

He discusses the whole thing about every Protestant has a different interpretation of the Bible. The most insidious of this letter is that God loves us no matter what. He loves us but if we reject Him, he cannot make us be with Him.

He can work to make you willing, and does so in warning against falling away, while the idea the SS equates to antinomianism is absurd, as is the idea that the Unitarians or liberal Prots upheld Scripture as the wholly inspired assured Word of God and supreme authority. In actuality, those who most strongly do so are the most unified in basic key Biblical beliefs*. Reformers (not Joel Osteen perfectly pleasing preachers) clearly taught the only kind of faith that is salvific is one that effects the obedience of faith.

In his Introduction to Romans, Luther stated that saving faith is, "a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever...Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire!" [http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/luther-faith.txt]

if obedience and God’s commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil’s own doings, although it were even so great a work as to raise the dead... [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:244]

“This is why St. Luke and St. James have so much to say about works, so that one says: Yes, I will now believe, and then he goes and fabricates for himself a fictitious delusion, which hovers only on the lips as the foam on the water. No, no; faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit and wholly and completely converts him. It goes to the foundation and there accomplishes a renewal of the entire man; so, if I have previously seen a sinner, I now see in his changed conduct, manner and life, that he believes. So high and great a thing is faith.”[Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341]

And Scripturally what one really believes is not what is professed, but what one does and effects manifests this, (Mt. 7:20; Ja. 2:18) and which for Rome is that of treating even known public proabortion prosodomite pols and laity as members in life and in death, and thus fostering the same - in contrast to the very evangelicals Rose and RCs attack.

77% of Catholics polled "believe a person can be a good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday, 65 percent believe good Catholics can divorce and remarry, and 53 percent believe Catholics can have abortions and remain in good standing. 1999 poll by the National Catholic Reporter. http://www.catholictradition.org/v2-bombs14b.htm

40% Roman Catholics vs. 41% Non-R.C. see abortion as "morally acceptable"; Sex between unmarried couples: 67% vs. 57%; Baby out of wedlock: 61% vs. 52%; Homosexual relations: 54% vs. 45%; Gambling: 72% vs. 59% http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/Catholics-Similar-Mainstream-Abortion-Stem-Cells.aspx

31% of faithful Catholics (those who attend church weekly, 2004) say abortion should be legal either in "many" or in "all" cases. 2004, The Gallup Organization Gallup Survey for Catholics Speak Out: 802 Catholics, May 1992, MOE ± 4%

Committed Roman Catholics (church attendance weekly or almost) versus Non-R.C. faithful church goers (see the below as as morally acceptable): Abortion: 24% R.C. vs. 19% Non-R.C.; Sex between unmarried couples: 53% vs. 30%; Baby out of wedlock: 48% vs. 29%; Homosexual relations: 44% vs. 21%; Gambling: 67% vs. 40%; Divorce: 63 vs. 46% ^

Comparing 16 moral behaviors, Catholics were less likely to say mean things about people behind their back, and tending to engage in recycling more. However, they were also twice as likely to view pornographic content on the Internet, and were more prone to use profanity, to gamble, and to buy lottery tickets. ^

Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. Alan Guttmacher Institute http://www.catholicleague.org/research/Catholic_women_and_abortion.htm

26 percent of Catholics (2007) polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivocal position on abortion Catholic World Report; 2997 survey of 1,000 Catholic Americans by Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut

46 percent of Catholics who say they attend mass weekly accept Church teaching on abortion; 43 percent accept the all-male priesthood; and 30 percent see contraception as morally wrong. ^

A 2002 nationwide poll of 1,854 priests in the United States and Puerto Rico reported that 30% of Roman Catholic priests described themselves as Liberal, 28% as Conservative, and 37% as Moderate in their Religious ideology. 53 percent responded that they thought it always was a sin for unmarried people to have sexual relations; 32 percent that is often was, and 9 percent seldom/never. However, nearly four in 10 younger priests in 2002 described themselves as conservative, and were more likely to regard as "always a sin" such acts as premarital sex, abortion, artificial birth control, homosexual relations, etc., and three-fourths said they were more religiously orthodox than their older counterparts. Los Angeles Times (extensive) nationwide survey (2002). http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/reports/LAT-Priest-Survey.pdf http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_2_39/ai_94129129/pg_2

71 percent of priests responded that it always was wrong for a woman to get an abortion, 19 percent that it often was, and 4 percent seldom/never. Los Angeles Times (extensive) nationwide survey (2002). http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/reports/LAT-Priest-Survey.pdf http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_2_39/ai_94129129/pg_2

28 percent judged that is always was sin for married couples to use artificial birth control, 25 percent often, 40 percent never. ^

96% of evangelical leaders worldwide disapprove of abortion at least conditionally, with 51% (59% in the “Global South,” including Africa) affirming that abortion is always wrong, with 45% saying it is usually wrong. 84% say that society should discourage homosexuality, and 79% say that men should serve as the religious leaders in the marriage and family, and 71% of the leaders are male, yet 75% think that women may be allowed to serve as pastors. (in contrast to historical Protestantism). http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Christian/Evangelical_Protestant_Churches/Global%20Survey%20of%20Evan.%20Prot.%20Leaders.pdf

A study which broke down Mainline Protestants, Evangelical Protestants, and non-Hispanic Catholics into the three subgroups of traditionalists, centrists, and modernists, found that 5.3 percent of the population qualified as traditionalist Catholic, 5.4 percent as centrist Catholics, and 4.9 percent of were modernist Catholics. The Henry Institute, A Pre-Election Analysis http://www.calvin.edu/henry/civic/CivicRespGrant/rel&08election.doc

Traditionalist Catholics disagreed that “abortion should be legal and solely up to the woman to decide” 71 to 21 percent, centrist Catholics agreed 54 to 40 percent, and modernist Catholics agreed 80-16 percent. ^

For those in black Catholic churches, political affiliation or leaning in 2007 was 17%/74% Republican/Democrat, and 11%/76% for black evangelical churches. Opposition to homosexuality 37% by black Catholics and 58% by black evangelicals. Opposition to abortion was 35% by black Catholics and 53% by black evangelicals. 66% of black evangelicals and 36% of black Catholics say they attend services at least weekly. http://www.pewforum.org/A-Religious-Portrait-of-African-Americans.aspx

71% of Evangelicals, 35% of Protestants and 25% of Catholics said that a candidates position on abortion would have a lot of influence on their decision of who to vote for in 2012. Likewise 63% of evangelicals, 35% of Protestants and 19% of Catholics and said a candidates position on homosexual marriage would have a lot of influence on their decision. Barna, April, 2011 http://www.barna.org/transformation-articles/482-voters-most-interested-in-issues-concerning-security-and-comfort-least-interested-in-moral-issues

73% of Catholics polled say they believe Catholic politicians are under no religious obligation to vote on issues the way the bishops recommend, with 75% disapproving of denying communion to Catholics who support legal abortion, while 70% of Catholics say that the views of Catholic bishops in the US are unimportant to them in deciding for whom to vote, and 69% of say they feel no obligation to vote against candidates who support abortion. Belden Russonello & Stewart, "Secular and Security-Minded: The Catholic Vote in Summer 2008," Catholics for Choice, July 2008. http://www.catholicvote.net/page7/page22/page22.html

65% of Catholics supported a tax increase for the wealthiest Americans in 2006, up from 52 percent in 2002. Majorities of Catholics support issues traditionally considered planks of the Democratic Party platform: universal healthcare, pro-labor policies, access to abortion, and social welfare programs for the poor. http://cara.georgetown.edu/NewsandPress/PressReleases/pr061808.pdf

50% of all Protestants converts from Catholicism said they stopped believing in Catholicism's teachings overall. Only 23% (20% now evangelical) were unhappy about Catholicism's teachings on abortion/homosexuality (versus 46% of those now unaffiliated); 23% also expressed disagreement with teaching on divorce/remarriage; 16% (12% now evangelical) were dissatisfied with teachings on birth control, 70% said they found a religion the liked more in Protestantism. Pew forum, Faith in Flux (April 27, 2009) http://pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/fullreport.pdf

Latino evangelicals are more than 20 percentage points more likely than Catholics to say that abortion should be illegal in most or all circumstances. http://www.nhclc.org/news/latino-religion-us-demographic-shifts-and-trend

73 percent of Catholics rejected Catholic teaching artificial methods of birth control. Catholic World Report; 1997 survey of 1,000 Catholic Americans by Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut

74% of Evangelicals, 73% of Mainline Protestants, and 68% of sexually active Catholics women use birth control. 3% of the Catholics rely on natural family planning. Attendance at religious services and importance of religion to daily life are largely unrelated to use of highly effective contraceptive methods. Countering Conventional Wisdom: New Evidence on Religion and Contraceptive Use, Guttmacher Institute, April. 2011

88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics. New York Times/CBS News poll, Apr. 21-23, 1994, subsample of 446 Catholics, MOE ± 5%

98% of self-identified Catholic women ages 15-44 who have ever had sexual relations have used a method of contraception other than natural family planning at some point in their lives. .” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html?wprss=fact-checker

40% of 18- to 29-year-old Catholics said the church’steachings on sexuality and birth control are out of date.” http://www.barna.org/teens-next-gen-articles/528-six-reasons-young-christians-leave-church

59% of all Catholic women of childbearing age practice contraception—a rate of usage statistically equivalent to that of the general population (60%). Calvin Goldscheider and William D. Mosher, "Patterns of Contraceptive Use in the United States:

58% of Catholics 52% if they are voters) believe that employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception;

50% of white Catholics support this requirement, versus 47% who oppose it, along with 38% of white evangelical Protestants an 50% of white mainline Protestants. Public Religion Research Institute, February 2012 http://publicreligion.org/research/2012/02/january-tracking-poll-2012/

54% of Hispanic Catholics believe that churches and other places of worship should be required to provide health care coverage that includes contraception, compared to 41% Hispanic Protestants. African American & Hispanic Reproductive Issues Survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, July 2012


35 posted on 06/04/2014 10:00:23 AM PDT by daniel1212 (+)
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To: topher
Wow: Planned Parenthood points to the BIBLE to justify having an…

So?

The Devil does exactly the same thing...


Matthew 4:1-11  (NIV)

 

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
    and they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.[c]

Jesus answered him, It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.


36 posted on 06/04/2014 1:13:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: topher

Did anyone else notice that no tradition or Scripture interpretation was seen in the above dialog?


37 posted on 06/04/2014 1:15:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: topher

It helps PP’s argument if they skip over the “...be fruitful and multiply...” part.

Also that pesky Psalm 139 thing; too.


38 posted on 06/04/2014 1:17:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

YeaH...

this one, too!


39 posted on 06/04/2014 1:17:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: a fool in paradise
There is no way in HELL that God approves of this.





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

40 posted on 06/04/2014 1:20:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

...and when He returns; will He find faith on the earth?


41 posted on 06/04/2014 1:21:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I'd like to thank the United States Government for protecting me and my kind.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You see, 40 years ago, my odds of making it out of the egg, alive, were very poor; about 80% of us died. 
 (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=rachel-carson-silent-spring-1972-ddt-ban-birds-thrive)
 
 
But a lady discovered our plight and wrote a book that addressed our problem,
and, in 1972, a law was ammended protecting us even further. (http://www.fws.gov/midwest/eagle/protect/laws.html)
 
 
 
 
 
 
What I find strange is that the same government passed a law the very next year that allowed for killing
of unborn, and apparently unwanted, humans.  Little ones still nestled safely in their Mother's womb.
Around 25% of them are dying before birth - on average nearly 3,300 - every day of the year.
 
 
I hear that by now, somewhere around 55 MILLION of them have perished.
Wouldn't that kind of mess up the humans plans for growth, and welfare, and
retirement?
 
 
 
 
 
Strange birds; these Homo Sapiens.  Perhaps they'll come to their senses
before they are ALL dead!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

42 posted on 06/04/2014 1:21:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mercat

What is Nancy Pelosi’s, Biden’s and John Kerry’s interpretation on the matter? Is it in line with the Roman Catholic church? What was Rose mention in his book about them and others in your church like them?


43 posted on 06/04/2014 6:16:51 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter

If Catholicism can’t (won’t?) get rid of Abortion enablers among it’s ranks; why does it even raise a fuss about others?


44 posted on 06/04/2014 6:39:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Something I remember about a speck and beam comes to mind. I left out mention of the pro-sodomite United States Roman Catholic Supreme Court.


45 posted on 06/04/2014 6:52:59 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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