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Wow: Planned Parenthood points to the BIBLE to justify having anů
youngcons.com ^ | June 2, 2014 | David Rufful

Posted on 06/02/2014 12:29:42 PM PDT by topher

This “pastoral letter” was sent by Planned Parenthood and it reads:

Many people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian—and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

The letter text:

The decision to have an abortion is personal. Though your reasons may be complicated and private, you’re not alone. As religious leaders from a number of religious traditions, we’re here to support you in your decision.

Many people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian—and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

The beliefs of each person are deserving of respect, and each person deserves care and compassion. No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.

We believe this decision is yours, made with your doctor and anyone else you choose to bring into the conversation, such as a spouse, partner, parent, or clergy person. …

God loves you and is with you no matter what you decide. You can find strength, understanding, and comfort in that love.


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Note that the site is for Young Conservatives -- not the other type of cons, which tend to be criminally oriented...

The letter ends saying that they will refer you to some pastor that supports abortion.

Pro-lifers need to contact Planned Parenthood to see who these pastors are so people can avoid them or try to convert them to the true Jewish or Christian faith.

1 posted on 06/02/2014 12:29:42 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

2 posted on 06/02/2014 12:32:57 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: topher

I recommend “The Protestant’s Dilemma” by Devin Rose. He discusses the whole thing about every Protestant has a different interpretation of the Bible. The most insidious of this letter is that God loves us no matter what. He loves us but if we reject Him, he cannot make us be with Him.


3 posted on 06/02/2014 12:33:58 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: topher
Father Paul Schenck once explained what the Jewish faith teaches about abortion: that in the Old Testament there was great joy in having children.

Rachel lamenting that she did not have any children is the case where a woman is barren and in the Old Testament.

As far as Christianity is concerned, Jesus would have been foolish to speak about abortion as it was a central part of Jewish law/tradition to have children.

It is in the Didache or the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles to the Gentiles that abortion is prohibited. It also prohibited homosexuality.

The reason it is in these writings is that the audience was the Gentiles. Jewish people, at the time of Christ, knew that abortion was wrong.

4 posted on 06/02/2014 12:35:01 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

6th Commandment; “thou shall not murder” has no bearing?


5 posted on 06/02/2014 12:35:48 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mercat
You wrote:

The most insidious of this letter is that God loves us no matter what. He loves us but if we reject Him, he cannot make us be with Him.

Hell is full of people who think they can do whatever they want and have not consequences when they face God in judgement...

6 posted on 06/02/2014 12:36:39 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian...

Well, one could go to the "Declaration" of scripture, the ten commandments: "Thou Shalt NOT kill!"

7 posted on 06/02/2014 12:36:43 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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8 posted on 06/02/2014 12:36:48 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: topher

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5


9 posted on 06/02/2014 12:43:05 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: topher

These people who wrote this letter, came up with this wicked scheme....I am glad I am not them.


10 posted on 06/02/2014 12:48:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: C210N
Exodus 21:22-25 (ESV)

“When men strive [struggle/quarrel/contend/fight] together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.

"But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Interpretation: If the child lives, then the husband still has the right to demand a fine for the premature birth. If there is injury - note that the text does not distinguish between mother or child there - then everything up to and including the death penalty is on the table.

11 posted on 06/02/2014 12:49:11 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: topher

There’s nothing about pastors that makes them anything other than human. And, thanks to the abortion/baby parts industry, we’ve gotten a good look at how twisted, perverted and murderous humans can be.

As for the “complex decision,” it’s more often about convenience than anything else.


12 posted on 06/02/2014 12:50:45 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: musicman

The Didache: Teachings of the 12 apostles. Dated: 50-120 A.D.(Perhaps the earliest or amongst the earliest Christian/Catholic documents)

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

“And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.”

( Other links for the Didache: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04779a.htm


Notice also the other teachings and especially on the Eucharist. Most Protestant denominations and Bible believing churches just shrug this stuff off. The Catholics dont shrug this off and claim to be the Church established by Christ through his 12 apostles.

Chapter 9. The Eucharist. Now concerning the Eucharist, give thanks this way. First, concerning the cup:

We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever..

And concerning the broken bread:

We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever..

But let no one eat or drink of your Eucharist, unless they have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord has said, “Give not that which is holy to the dogs.”

Chapter 10. Prayer after Communion. But after you are filled, give thanks this way:

We thank Thee, holy Father, for Thy holy name which You didst cause to tabernacle in our hearts, and for the knowledge and faith and immortality, which You modest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Thou, Master almighty, didst create all things for Thy name’s sake; You gavest food and drink to men for enjoyment, that they might give thanks to Thee; but to us You didst freely give spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Thy Servant. Before all things we thank Thee that You are mighty; to Thee be the glory for ever. Remember, Lord, Thy Church, to deliver it from all evil and to make it perfect in Thy love, and gather it from the four winds, sanctified for Thy kingdom which Thou have prepared for it; for Thine is the power and the glory for ever. Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God (Son) of David! If any one is holy, let him come; if any one is not so, let him repent. Maranatha. Amen.

But permit the prophets to make Thanksgiving as much as they desire.


13 posted on 06/02/2014 12:53:22 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: topher
These people, whether sincere or not, are playing with fire. I tremble when I think of the judgement that awaits.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!. Isaiah 5:20

14 posted on 06/02/2014 12:53:52 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: topher
Bible too vague for you Planned Parenthood? How about the Code of Handsome Lake, the Seneca Prophet

SECTION 4

"'Now another word. It is sad. It is the fourth word. It is the way Yondwi'nias swa'yas. = "she cuts it off by abortion."

Now the Creator ordained that women should bear children.

Now a certain young married woman had children and suffered much. Now she is with child again and her mother wishing to prevent further sufferings designs to administer a medicine to cut off the child and to prevent forever other children from coming. So the mother makes the medicine and gives it. Now when she does this she forever cuts away her daughter's string of children. Now it is because of such things that the Creator is sad. He created life to live and he wishes such evils to cease. He wishes those who employ such medicines to cease such practices forevermore. Now they must stop when they hear this message. Go and tell your people.'"

So they said and he said. Eniaiehuk.

15 posted on 06/02/2014 12:58:03 PM PDT by Claud
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To: topher

“No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.”

But, PP just said abortion isn’t mentioned in any of the Scriptures, so how could somebody be forcing it if no faith’s documents condemns it?


16 posted on 06/02/2014 1:00:51 PM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: alancarp
Re: 11

I agree that passage in Exodus 21 clearly shows that there is a penalty for someone who would induce a miscarriage - or abortion. And for the case of killing the unborne infant - death.

And of course you have Exodus 20 (Thou Shalt Not Kill [Murder]).

And you have other various passages where God is appalled about the people sacrificing their babies to Molech.

Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Leviticus 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

The idea that God does not condemn the act of abortion is the ridiculous grasping of straws by the depraved. We can all make mistakes - but repent of them, don't encourage others to go down the same path. The "Pro-Choice" people need to choose correctly, and the choice is simple.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live...

17 posted on 06/02/2014 1:03:37 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Mercat

The stark fact remains, that “therapeutic” abortions were going on in Biblical times, and probably going back to the time when there were still Neanderthals among us. Some of the methods used probably were pretty brutal, threatening the life of the mother very nearly as much as the fetus being aborted, but the alternative was infanticide, a fairly common method of birth control up through probably the early 20th Century, until the emergence of Margaret Sanger.

Under the standards of the day, it was probably highly unlikely that the thrust of a knitting needle that caused an abortion, or a hatpin pushed into the “soft spot” on the top of the newborn’s head, would have been detected by the authorities. The abortion would appear to be “spontaneous”, and the infant suffered a “crib death”.

A lot of souls were condemned to purgatory or worse.


18 posted on 06/02/2014 1:22:14 PM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: Morgana

ping


19 posted on 06/02/2014 1:23:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: topher

“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
Psalm 139:13


20 posted on 06/02/2014 1:24:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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