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To: Sherman Logan

In one battle in 9 AD the Roman Army lost 10% of its strength (of the global Roman Army); the fate of those troops wasn’t known for two years until troops again reached that area. There are no Roman ruins scattered throughout most of Germany; like Scotland they despaired of ever winning there. Winning border skirmishes that ground down Roman strength wasn’t a viable long-term strategy.

The height disparity between the two is well documented; I belong to neither group so have no horse in this race.


38 posted on 06/08/2014 3:53:33 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Teutoburger Wald. Right.

Followed by a couple of decades of Roman armies stomping all over Germany in reprisal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicus

The Roman Empire had a natural boundary at the Sahara and Atlantic. In Germany, Scotland and Syria they had to define a border, or keep expanding forever. No natural boundaries.

The Empire decided, quite rightly IMO, that the effort of conquering and occupying Germany was not worth the gain. Obviously, if Germany had been occupied and assimilated, there would simply have been another border with barbarian tribes on the other side, just farther away from the Roman heartland and therefore even harder to defend effectively.

The Romans eventually decided to defend the line of the Rhine and Danube, which seems as logical as any.

This dilemma of where to place the border is similar to that of Israel today. Some call for Israel to conquer and annex land because attacks are launched on Israel from that land. But of course there will still be attacks launched from the land beyond the new borders. So unless one can reach a natural border, there is no logical stopping point.

Despite the defeat in 9 AD, the Romans successfully defended the frontier for more than 300 years thereafter. The various incursions by German tribes, all repelled eventually, were all related more to internal Roman difficulties. Civil wars and such, which were endemic.

As Roman defeats go, Teutoburger Wald was really fairly minor as far as losses go.

Cannae, for instance, resulted in 2x to 4x the number of dead Romans, at a time when the resources of the Roman State were MUCH smaller. IOW, something like 75% of the Roman Army, not 10%.

Teutoburger Wald was strategically important because it eventually convinced the Romans not to expand farther into northern Europe. But it was a Roman loss, not a German victory, since the Germans never even tried to invade and conquer Rome, whereas the Germans spent most of the next couple of decades running away and hiding from Roman armies.


44 posted on 06/08/2014 8:20:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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