Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Chinese party newspaper says Western democracy only brings chaos
reuters.com ^ | June 9, 2014

Posted on 06/09/2014 11:19:28 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

China's top newspaper on Monday warned against aping Western-style democracy just a week after the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown, pointing to Thailand and Ukraine as examples of the kind of chaos the system can bring.

President Xi Jinping's ascendancy in a once-in-a-decade generational leadership transition had given many Chinese hope for political reform, mainly due to his folksy style and the legacy of his father, Xi Zhongxun, a former reformist vice-premier.

But the repeated message the party has given out since Xi became president last year is that there will be no political liberalization.

China has been on high alert over the past few weeks in the run-up to the 25th anniversary of the bloody suppression of pro-democracy demonstrations around Beijing's Tiananmen Square, detaining dissidents and tightening internet controls.

In a lengthy commentary, the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily newspaper said the country needed to be on guard against falling into the "trap" of Western-style democracy.

"Over the past few months, from Kiev to Bangkok, the politics of the street and public clashes have caused deep sorrow," the newspaper said.

"Looking back at the 'color revolutions' which have occurred in recent years ... how can we not say with deep feeling: rejoice that we have resolutely upheld socialism with Chinese characteristics. Otherwise, would China have peace?"

"From western Asia to North Africa, many countries have slipped into the confused madness of 'western democracy', which has neither brought happiness nor stability," the paper said.

It also took aim at British democracy.

"In Britain's parliament to this day there are still hereditary nobles. For Chinese people, this is unthinkable," the paper said, adding that China should continue going down its own path.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS:

1 posted on 06/09/2014 11:19:28 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Tailgunner Joe
If the cultural revolution and the dictatorship of chairman Mao were not "chaos" in which tens of millions perished, what was it?


2 posted on 06/09/2014 11:27:12 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nathanbedford

That purge wasn’t chaotic. It was totally planned and orchestrated.


3 posted on 06/09/2014 11:36:31 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tailgunner Joe

Maybe they are right.


4 posted on 06/09/2014 11:38:27 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

You know, Nietzsche says, "Out of chaos comes order."

5 posted on 06/09/2014 11:40:15 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Aww, blow it out your a$$, Howard!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ZULU

The New York Times could have printed that


6 posted on 06/09/2014 11:40:20 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Constitution Day

“Oh, blow it out your a$$, Howard.”


7 posted on 06/09/2014 11:41:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: henkster
I agree that the conception for the cultural revolution was calculated by chairman Mao but its execution clearly ran out of control into chaos. Likewise the famine which killed tens of millions as a result of converting occupation from farming to steel furnaces was planned but the effect was to result in a chaotic famine.

Think of Obamacare taken to the limits.


8 posted on 06/09/2014 11:45:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Tailgunner Joe
there are still hereditary nobles. For Chinese people, this is unthinkable

Maybe they should tell that to their pal in Pyongyang.

9 posted on 06/09/2014 11:48:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nathanbedford

A lot of communist ideas tend to go to the extreme. But in all of these communist schemes, the chaos is always used as an excuse or motivation to clamp down ever more tightly on society.

I wonder whether Chinese society will ever become democratic. They have no tradition of it. Same with the Russians. It seems they like they crave the whip.


10 posted on 06/09/2014 11:55:31 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: henkster
Good point.

Neither country experienced either the Reformation or the Enlightenment and so have no tradition of liberalism in the classic sense of the word. Both actually despise democracy, or representative government if you prefer, much as Hitler and Mussolini despised democracy in the 20s and 30s.

An obvious example of a society with no tradition of the Enlightenment and hence no attachment for democracy is Islam. It is more than merely to say that Islam is authoritarian, it is authoritarian because it has no exposure to the scientific method, to the Enlightenment, to the liberal tradition. It is wholly superstitious and deductive rather than inductive in its epistemology.

Communism, contrary to its bleatings about being the product of science as opposed to religion and superstition, is a deductive methodology proceeding from a premise, communism, and everything is organized to conform to that rationale.

Neoliberalism in America has evolved into statism and, under the influence of Saul Alinsky and The Frankfurt School with Its Critical Theory has in effect abandoned the scientific method as well and committed the nation to the swamps of relativism.

How we come to believe what we believe is so terribly critical, if we get it wrong it kills us.


11 posted on 06/09/2014 12:14:13 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

What?


12 posted on 06/09/2014 12:17:52 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: nathanbedford

There is also clearly a Christian element in the Reformation and Enlightenment; that an individual has a soul, has a direct relationship with God, and therefore has individual rights and liberties granted directly by God. And not by the State, which has to power not only to grant, but to take away.

All statist systems of government seek to deny these truths by herding men into “collectives” and deny them of their individuality. After all, if you can deny that a man has a soul, then he is nothing more than a piece of meat to be disposed of as the state sees fit.

Our neoliberalist society is clearly going down this past, with its concept of “positive rights” and “collective rights.” I do not believe the concept of collective rights can co-exist with individual liberty, nor are “collective rights” really rights at all, but rather the burden of obligation. They are thus an extension of the power of the state.

Thus has the Classical Judeo-Christian social construct that permitted western civilization to thrive and flourish been undermined.


13 posted on 06/09/2014 12:32:04 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: henkster; nathanbedford

Sorry; “path,” not “past.”


14 posted on 06/09/2014 12:33:48 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: henkster

Good observations. I think most people crave the whip no matter where they are from. It takes a special society to instill good intentions and trust with it’s own people, and use that to forge a benevolent gov’t.

Chaos can be used to clamp down on any people or gov’t. Look at us now by God!


15 posted on 06/09/2014 12:46:21 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: ZULU
Several New York Times columnists have already said we should be more like China, yes they literally don't like the idea of democratic elections.
16 posted on 06/09/2014 2:16:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: henkster
There is also clearly a Christian element in the Reformation and Enlightenment; that an individual has a soul, has a direct relationship with God, and therefore has individual rights and liberties granted directly by God. And not by the State, which has to power not only to grant, but to take away.

Without that Christian element we have historically no Declaration of Independence, no Bill of Rights, no civil society.


17 posted on 06/09/2014 10:50:46 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson