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To: 4Zoltan

The stall warning sounds when the speed gets too slow. It would do that whether the engine failed or whether the pilot simply turned off the engine.

Kawasaki at one point said that once he realized the engine wouldn’t start back up he told the passengers to prepare for a crash landing. I think instead of sitting there calmly looking around I would have been trying to find the life jacket. But none of that happened until after the stall warning, when Rosa Key acted surprised and Puentes suddenly swooped into action - action he hadn’t taken after the loud bang, the engine stopping, and the rapid descent. For a guy who was interested in documenting the parts of the flight (the landing on his flight to Kalaupapa that morning, and the takeoff of this flight), he shows a long, extended interest in documenting the PEOPLE rather than the flight itself, in that time between the “loud bang” and the stall warning.

And having 2 GoPros and waterproof microphone with him on what was supposed to be a business trip to repair the roof on the Catholic church is .... prescient... just as doing his recording in the plane using a GoPro ON A 2-FOOT STICK was, well, convenient to filming a water episode but not so convenient for filming a takeoff through the window in a crowded seat... It’s kind of amazing how he was able to get the shots of himself rummaging with both hands to find the life jacket, when one hand would have been holding the GoPro stick... And swimming while holding onto that GoPro stick must have been really fun.

The ABC announcer at http://ondemand.abcnews.com/playback/abcnews/140110_gma_crash_0731_700.mp4 introduced the Puentes video showing the perfectly calm passengers by saying, “Those passengers don’t know it yet, but they are seconds away from experiencing the worst fear of every airline traveler. Suddenly the alarm sounds. The plane is going down...”

The Nightline announcer says of that same pre-stall-warning portion of the video, that the passengers DO know they’re going down. Yet none of them is looking for a life jacket or doing anything out of the ordinary. I’d have been looking around trying to find out what made the noise, or looking to see what the pilot was doing, or looking for a life jacket, or praying, or calling somebody on a cell phone. Or talking to my husband asking him what’s going on. Or SOMETHING. Nobody on that plane was talking to anybody else. Nobody was straining to see anything. Nobody was moving their arms at all. They were all just sitting there like lumps. The guy in the front seat could have seen if there were sparks and lights on the pilot’s panel as Kawasaki claimed, but he’s not even trying to see anything, not communicating with his wife/partner (and yes, the records show that they were travel companions, booked in the same transaction). He’s just sitting there like everything is hunky-dory.


64 posted on 06/12/2014 8:17:12 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion

“The stall warning sounds when the speed gets too slow. It would do that whether the engine failed or whether the pilot simply turned off the engine.”

When the engine failed the pilot would drop the noise to gain speed and maintain lift. there would be no stall warning at that point. But when the plane nears the ocean, he would lift the noise to decease speed and avoid the fixed noise gear from contacting the ocean first. In the video the stall warning goes off about ten seconds before touchdown. that makes perfect sense.

“I think instead of sitting there calmly looking around I would have been trying to find the life jacket.”

So your argument is they didn’t do what I would have done?

” he shows a long, extended interest in documenting the PEOPLE rather than the flight itself”

After the engine quit it makes perfect sense to film inside the cabin. notice he turned the camera out the window just before touchdown.

“2 GoPros and waterproof microphone with him on what was supposed to be a business trip to repair the roof on the Catholic church is”

I’ve seen construction workers working on custom homes at the beach bring their surfboards to work so they could catch some waves during lunch.

” It’s kind of amazing how he was able to get the shots of himself rummaging with both hands to find the life jacket, when one hand would have been holding the GoPro stick”

not really, the stick could be under his arm pit. He clear wasn’t following his hands because the camera loses them out of frame.

“And swimming while holding onto that GoPro stick must have been really fun.”

For an experienced spear fisherman it would seem like second nature.

“Those passengers don’t know it yet,”

She also said the plane was spiraling down which it clearly wasn’t.

“the passengers DO know they’re going down.’

And according to the announcer they are not making a sound.

“or praying, or calling somebody on a cell phone. Or talking to my husband asking him what’s going on. Or SOMETHING.”

Since we only see about 40 seconds of the pre-splashdown video, how do you they didn’t do any of those things. There’s a point where as a passenger on a plane with no engine there isn’t much you can do but sit there.

“He’s just sitting there like everything is hunky-dory.”

Maybe he was silently praying. From the video you can really only see two people - Rosa and Loretta.

And remember there is no engine noise at any time in the video.


67 posted on 06/12/2014 3:28:11 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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