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Chafee: Bush administration kicked a ‘hornets’ nest’ in Iraq
providencejournal.com ^ | June 11, 2014 | THOMAS J. MORGAN

Posted on 06/12/2014 12:36:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

PROVIDENCE. R.I. — Governor Chafee said Wednesday that the George W. Bush administration kicked “a hornets’ nest” with its 2003 invasion of Iraq, an act that unleashed sectarian divisions among Iraqis that are playing out today as militants continue to wrest control of territory from the faltering government of Nouri al-Maliki.

Chafee offered his views in an interview after the militants seized control of most of the city of Tikrit, hometown of the late dictator Saddam Hussein. They had captured the city of Mosul the day before.

“I never understood the original push for war in Iraq, never understood the logic of regime change,” Chafee said. “These neocons [neo-conservatives] all through the ’90s were talking the importance of regime change in Iraq and toppling Saddam Hussein, the strongman. I just didn’t understand stirring up the hornets’ nest that is the Middle East. It just never made any sense to me, and now we’re seeing some of the ramifications of having deviated from our Cold War containment strategy.”

(As a Republican U.S. senator, Chafee was famously the only member of his party to vote against the invasion of Iraq. He later quit the Republican Party to become an independent, and is now a Democrat.)

Chafee said of the containment strategy, “It worked. It worked in Russia. It worked in China.”

He said President George H.W. Bush “did the right thing” during the first Gulf War.

“He pushed Saddam out of Kuwait and continued on with the containment strategy. Then we radically departed from containment and did a unilateral intervention. And the ramifications are not good. I always thought our Cold War strategy depended on strong alliances. Those have been fractured through this misadventure. Obviously, it’s happening in Syria. I just believe in multinational approaches that are respectful of everybody’s positions. We deviated from that respect. We’ve got to try rebuilding those alliances with the Saudis, the Turks, the Jordanians — that’s going to be the key.”

 Sen. Jack Reed, a Democrat, also questioned the wisdom of the invasion.

“I thought from the very beginning that the policy was inappropriate, based upon the threats in 2003 and also the fact that we had an ongoing operation in Afghanistan,” he said.

“One other factor is the very fragile balance of power between the Sunnis, the Shiia and the Kurds that was shattered by our intervention in Iraq. What we are seeing now is the continuation of the battle between the Shiia and the Sunnis. That battle extends into Syria. There is a great instability that has been accelerating over the last few weeks … a byproduct, although an unintended one, of our invasion in Iraq.”

Reed said he had been skeptical in 2002. “Sometimes people forget that we had U.N. inspectors on the ground, and the Bush administration short-circuited their inspection,” he said. “I was one of 22 or 23 senators to disapprove of that.

”When ask to predict what the picture would look like a year from now, Reed responded, “I think there’s going to be a very turbulent region, not just for a year but for several years. I think you’ll see constant fighting. There’s potential for fragmentation of the country.”

He said the country could break up into three regions controlled respectively by the Shiia, the Sunnis and the Kurds.

Bill Babcock also had some views on the situation.

A member of the Rhode Island National Guard who served in Iraq in 2005, Babcock had been a student at the Army War College when he was assigned to submit a paper that was “a campaign plan for a mythical war” in North Africa, and particularly the city of Tripoli.

It was understood that the “mythical war” and “Tripoli” were actually Iraq and Baghdad, he said, “but this was ’99, before the towers went down.” His plan was to attack and occupy the enemy capital of Tripoli.

“My instructor wrote back, ‘Stay out of Tripoli. How do you occupy a city of five million that don’t want you there?’ That was in ’99, and in ’03 we went in. I think we did what we could for the Iraqis. Now it’s up to them.”

National Guard veteran Sekou Toure defended the invasion, “But as far as us leaving there without a stable regime, that was not a good idea,” he said. “It went down the drain pretty much. I don’t think we accomplished the mission 100 percent because we rushed out of there.”


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1 posted on 06/12/2014 12:36:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Good thing 0bama didn’t kick any hornets’ nests in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan....


2 posted on 06/12/2014 12:37:16 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

When all else fails, blame Bush.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 12:38:08 PM PDT by VOR78
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To: henkster

“Good thing 0bama didn’t kick any hornets’ nests in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan....{”

Hahahaha. Right on.


4 posted on 06/12/2014 12:40:07 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: henkster
Wow!

The media really showed restraint before yelling: Bush's Fault!

5 posted on 06/12/2014 12:40:37 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: VOR78

Yep! Been the meme all day from the left.


6 posted on 06/12/2014 12:41:26 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: VOR78
Race Card®

Gender Card®

Bush Card®

That's all they've got.

7 posted on 06/12/2014 12:41:29 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Leave it to this turncoat quisling to provide the lefties their talking points.


8 posted on 06/12/2014 12:41:32 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi shows why he’s the world’s most dangerous man (ISIS leader in Iraq)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3166656/posts


9 posted on 06/12/2014 12:41:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Neo-Cons=Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos.


10 posted on 06/12/2014 12:42:00 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Protip: 2003 was eleven years ago.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 12:42:21 PM PDT by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

12 posted on 06/12/2014 12:43:21 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He never understood much, maybe its silver spoon in his butt poisoning or sumthin’. He has his head so far up it.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 12:43:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Good thing there hasn’t been another President since George Bush or else they might get some blame for something.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 12:46:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Chafee is a retarded ass. Still blaming Dubya for EVERYTHING that happens on planet. Communists are freakin’ weird.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 12:49:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He (Chafee) said President George H.W. Bush “did the right thing” during the first Gulf War.

Then Lincoln Chafee didn't understand the terms of the cease-fire very well. The Iraq war was necessary because Iraq refused to follow the terms of the Gulf war cease fire. The WMDs were not the primary reason. It was presented that Iraq WMDs were imminent, and as a defense-in-depth reason.

16 posted on 06/12/2014 12:51:42 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“I never understood the original push for war in Iraq, never understood the logic of regime change,” Chafee said

So Linc Chafee was a Saddam Hussein supporter.
Who knew?

http://votesmart.org/public-statement/28076/senator-lincoln-chaffees-statement-on-the-capture-of-saddam-hussein#.U5oDUCxOWUk

Ergo unlike obama and democrat company, Chaffee is a backer of Syria’s Assad - right? Because the same argument hold there ... why change regimes?

err, Linc, why did Obama change regimes in Libya then?
and TRY in Egypt?

(for Linc Chafee, queue scarecrow music from Wizard of Oz)


17 posted on 06/12/2014 12:54:24 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: NormsRevenge

“He never understood much, maybe its silver spoon in his butt poisoning or sumthin’. He has his head so far up it.”

Brightness has never been one of Linc’s attributes. If his daddy didn’t die and the morons in RI appoint him to fill out daddy’s term, he’d still be putting shoes on animals smarter (and more useful) than him.


18 posted on 06/12/2014 12:57:19 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

People forget the hundreds of grave sites full of bones. People forget that he gassed the Kurdish North and burned the marshes in the south to drive the people out of them. People forget that all that Saddam needed to do was to stop playing games with the chemical weapons inspectors.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 12:59:21 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“He said the country could break up into three regions controlled respectively by the Shiia, the Sunnis and the Kurds.”

There were no good-answers. If you let Iraq fall into sectarian divisions then Turkey would have come in & dominated Kurdistan and you would have had Iranian domination of the Shiia. We’re heading there now. The only question up for grabs is whether the Sunni can maintain a rump-state in the Baghdad environs. I guess our ‘friends’ the Saudi’s may throw a pile of money in there to support Al Qaeda in Iraq, and that won’t be pretty either.


20 posted on 06/12/2014 12:59:54 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wow glad we stayed to train. We really did a great job in training the Iraq forces even these untrained guys are beating them. Wonder how the Afgan training is going? Somebody must be making a mint on training.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 1:01:38 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

we’re back to Bush’s fault? pathetic. Next the Liberals will be blaming President Jefferson for sending troops into Tripoli.


22 posted on 06/12/2014 1:04:34 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Apparently this idiot is unaware that the sectarian issues had been there ever since the Iraq/Iran war. Heck ever since the Islamic crescent broke into two pieces over 700 years ago.


23 posted on 06/12/2014 1:09:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, if we weren’t prepared to stay there for at least 20 years, then yes, Bush did kick the hornets’ nest.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 1:10:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think that Gov. Chaffee should be required to turn-in his “Christian Name” of ‘Lincoln’ due to his clueless idiocy. No matter how you slice it, the drumbeat for the war with that genocidal Tyrant was across all party lines. In the face of any number of solemn UN resolutions and restrictions, Hussein, with the wink-wink aid of Russia, France and China, played the rest of the world for fools. To state that we could have ‘contained’ Iraq is to arrogantly ignore history!


25 posted on 06/12/2014 1:11:21 PM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I knew it would take long to start blaming Bush. Never mind thata Obma was so eager to get out of Iraq that he didn’t even want to negotiate a stabilizing military force there.


26 posted on 06/12/2014 1:11:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Almost everyone seems to have forgotten what led up to the Iraq War. There had been about ten years of UN-approved economic sanctions, and critics were claiming that the sanctions had led to as many as 500,000 deaths among Iraqi children. Iraq had been in constant violation of numerous aspects of the cease-fire agreement signed after the Gulf War. Because of the alleged deaths caused by the sanctions, world opinion was moving towards having the sanctions lifted, leaving an unfettered Saddam Hussein to again wage mischief in the region. That was what prompted Bush to go to war - everything else had been tried, and everything else had failed. There was no “rush to war” as the critics incessantly claimed.


27 posted on 06/12/2014 1:15:33 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He must have been watching the ever hysterical and idiotic Shep Smith for the last hour. Bush, Bush, blah blah.


29 posted on 06/12/2014 1:28:03 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: justa-hairyape

Yep.

In fact, Islam itself is a new religion. It only manifested because Bush invaded Iraq. Otherwise these people would be living peacefully like they have been for the past 5000 years.

Damn Bush.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 1:30:52 PM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
All the Clintonites in the 90's constantly referred to the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. They made reference to the danger of the WMD issue there over and over again.

When Bush acts on the threat, they scatter to the wind pretending they never said what they said for years and the media helps them with their lies.

All the left are liars.

31 posted on 06/12/2014 1:34:53 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He said President George H.W. Bush “did the right thing” during the first Gulf War. “He pushed Saddam out of Kuwait and continued on with the containment strategy.

My...what a revision of history. Remember how the left bashed Bush for not continuing to Baghdad and toppling Saddam? LIARS!!

32 posted on 06/12/2014 1:36:57 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Wasn't it suppose to all rainbows and unicorns in the middle east once Barack apologized in Cairo?

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON A NEW BEGINNING Cairo University Cairo, Egypt June 4, 2009

33 posted on 06/12/2014 1:42:53 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: VOR78

Is Bush being blamed for everything because he is not black?


34 posted on 06/12/2014 1:45:33 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obamanation claimed (and took credit for) the victory in 2011. After that, he owns it.


35 posted on 06/12/2014 2:00:45 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I forget, exactly how many demonrats and leaders of other countries had their feet in old Georges boots at the time HE kicked the hornets nest? Damn near everyone wasn't it? Oh I forgot Bush lied, how embarrassing for all of them, to be so completely taken in by a man they all tell us is an idiot. I wonder what exactly that makes all of them?
36 posted on 06/12/2014 2:13:37 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The trust fund child speaks from Providence.

Whatever, punk.


37 posted on 06/12/2014 2:17:09 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: dfwgator

“Well, if we weren’t prepared to stay there for at least 20 years, then yes, Bush did kick the hornets’ nest.”

The Rats forget they were so in favor of the Iraq war they forced a special vote so they could approve it. Also considering how easy the 1st Iraq war was there was good reason to think Iraq war 2 would not be a hornet’s nest. It was the RATs complaining that stopped Iraq I before we could get rid of Saddam which brought about Iraq 2.


38 posted on 06/12/2014 2:25:23 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Unilateral intervention? Nope it was a coalition of nations with a vote of support by congress. One can disagree with it but a lengthy process was exhausted before we went it.

Unilateral is what Obama does.


39 posted on 06/12/2014 3:09:58 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He’s partly right, but we also had EVERY RIGHT to deal with Hussain in Iraq as he was violating the 1991 Gulf War agreements.

Even so, the idea that we could build a democracy there with a strong central government was LAUGHABLE from the start and NEVER should have been attempted.


40 posted on 06/12/2014 4:39:59 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He doesn’t have the right to the name Lincoln anymore. How does Quisling Chafee sound?


41 posted on 06/12/2014 5:24:05 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: silverleaf

You forgot to mention that Lincoln is also an apparent deep thinker...


42 posted on 06/12/2014 5:29:51 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Then we radically departed from containment and did a unilateral intervention"

Unilateral intervention? That's got to be news to the United Kingdom, Australia, Poland and Spain.
43 posted on 06/13/2014 1:07:18 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Good old Chafee. Like Spector and Crist, another Democrat calling themselves Republican that the GOPe tried to foist on us. McConnell is another one. When defeated or rejected, they go to where they really belong, with the Democrats. For as long as they get away with it, they do all they can to destroy conservatism from the inside—and make themselves rich in the process.


44 posted on 06/14/2014 1:51:31 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan's John the Baptist, preparing the way.)
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