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Is the violence in Iraq Obama's fault?
CBS News ^ | June 13, 2014 | Rebecca Kaplan

Posted on 06/13/2014 6:44:03 AM PDT by Rennes Templar

The end of the Iraq war in 2011 was a high point of President Obama's first term, marking the completion of one of his most important campaign promises. But as Islamic militants capture cities and towns throughout Iraq and march toward the capital, Baghdad, the president once again faces the criticism that his foreign policy has failed.

The violence has swept Iraq just two and a half years after the last U.S. troops departed following a nearly nine-year war. The gains made during the war have been wiped out with the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

The group's advance raises questions that will likely dog the president during the remainder of his time in office, from whether U.S. forces should have stayed behind, to how he might have tried to alter the course of events in recent years, to whether a similar policy in Afghanistan is doomed for failure.

Experts almost entirely agree that Mr. Obama could have done things differently, but differ on the question of how much blame he bears for the situation, when he might have changed course, and even whether it would have substantially changed the situation.

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Any normal person would be feeling a sense of shame now. With Obama, not so much.
1 posted on 06/13/2014 6:44:03 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Rennes Templar

Even if it’s not his fault, it’s his responsibility.

What has he done with that responsibility?

Folks, I’m amazed if people don’t understand that because of their backgrounds, Obama, Kerry and Hagel, all WANT to lose in Iraq.

That is what they insisted on in Vietnam. Liberals are sick.


2 posted on 06/13/2014 6:46:52 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Rennes Templar

*8Is the violence in Iraq Obama’s fault? **

Yes


3 posted on 06/13/2014 6:47:59 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Rennes Templar

You have to wonder who is most responsible for Iraq being a soft shell of a target. After all of the external support, the Syrian terrorist/rebels couldn’t displace Assad—but just rolled all over the US trained and financed Iraqi army.

Was it Bush’s fault for getting us there in the first place? Or Obama’s for withdrawing and claiming victory? Or Maliki’s for running an incompetent government and not working with the US?

Or was Iraq predestined to split along the three lines of a new Kurdistan, a Sunni middle, and a Irani/Shiite dominated southeast?


4 posted on 06/13/2014 6:48:00 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Rennes Templar

Only half his fault. The white half.


5 posted on 06/13/2014 6:48:14 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Williams

Obama Cant Blame Bush for this any longer. He owns this one. Something like 75% of wounded and dead Americans happened after Obama took office. And Obama don’t care. He really is a sad person.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 6:49:31 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

the liberals will blame it on Bush, saying that we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

In the Era of Obama, nothing can ever be the fault of Obama or his policies.

Obama and his boys do not take responsibility for anything. In the case of Iraq, they will say he inherited an impossible situation.

It doesn’t matter that every president inherits existing problems. Obama is unique, because nothing can ever be his fault or his responsibility, or have bad things happen due to the failure of his policies.

(sarcasm)


7 posted on 06/13/2014 6:50:20 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Rennes Templar

Hash Tag #ObamasfaultIraqisaredying


8 posted on 06/13/2014 6:50:45 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Rennes Templar

Seems as tho’ there’s a bunch of ignorant officials involved in this debacle...Who is going to stand up and take responsibility? Certainly not the officer quoted at the end of this excerpt!!! I can’t believe anyone with any smarts could even make a statement like that. Googling doesn’t bring up any current info on him.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/isis-terror-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-was-released-by-obama-from-camp-bucca-in-2009/

The US meanwhile has closed Camp Bucca, once its largest prison in Iraq. The Pentagon says it’s transferred Bucca’s remaining 180 prisoners to two jails near Baghdad. US Lieutenant Colonel Kenneth King said the prison’s closure comes as part of the US-Iraq security deal.

Lieutenant Colonel Kenneth King: “As a show of progress for the security agreement and moving forward the government of Iraq, we’re going to put the theater internment facility as a piece of history. And we’re going to — it will be history, and we’ll move forward from here and progress.”


9 posted on 06/13/2014 6:50:46 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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It's not his fault per se. These animals have been killing each other for a thousand years.

What is his fault is the wiping away of all the gains our military made in Iraq, and the role our withdrawal from the region played in the establishment of a rump Islamic state.

We'll still be paying for that withdrawal fifty years from now.

10 posted on 06/13/2014 6:50:50 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Yes. We’ve been cyber-screaming about this for a few years on FR. The arms and training Obama is giving to the opposition to Assad in Syria are in ISIS’s control. It would be worse, far worse, if they were to topple Assad.


11 posted on 06/13/2014 6:52:13 AM PDT by grania
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To: Rennes Templar

The only “fault” of Bush is that when we had everything in the world in Iraq, he should have taken out Syria as well and done the hard work. Also should have pressured the hell out of Iran and maybe reduced their nuke and other capabilities.

But yes, if Obama wasn’t a cowardly leftist who can’t consider helping Iraq, none of this would have been necessary. He easily could have taken lots of actions to prevent this, from a continued US presence, to effective action in Syria.

And how about even having a clue that this was about to happen?


12 posted on 06/13/2014 6:56:27 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Williams

Obama trades 5 top Taliban leaders for one deserter. And pretty much capitulates on terrorism by releasing others, too, from Afghan prisons.
Within a month, a terrorist group that hardly had an impact in Iraq takes over a large swath of a country that managed two separate elections and handover of government from one president to another - something Afghanistan has yet to achieve.
Obama’s total weakness led to the loss of a nation Bush won.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 6:57:15 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Rennes Templar

Iraq is Obama’s Vietnam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw


14 posted on 06/13/2014 6:58:54 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Rennes Templar

yes


15 posted on 06/13/2014 7:03:23 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Rennes Templar
Yes the violence must now be blamed on King Obama. This blood bath is directly charged to his withdrawal of our troops. King Obama must be impeached NOW!
16 posted on 06/13/2014 7:04:12 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Williams

Syria wasn’t even on the frick radar except as the place Saddam took his weapons of mass destruction.


17 posted on 06/13/2014 7:05:06 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Rennes Templar

Maybe a large city newspaper will conduct such a poll and a freeper will see it and post a link to it here. I for one would like to see the results


18 posted on 06/13/2014 7:09:56 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Rennes Templar
When you take office and are sworn in, what ever happens on your watch is your responsibility
19 posted on 06/13/2014 7:14:04 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Rennes Templar

Exactly, Obama doesn’t care and likely never saw the US progress there as a “gain” anyway. He obviously doesn’t give a damn about the soldiers.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 7:23:18 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Was it Bush’s fault for getting us there in the first place?

So then Vietnam was all John Kennedy's fault?


21 posted on 06/13/2014 7:23:18 AM PDT by canuck_conservative ("Obama" = Kenyan for "doofus")
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To: yldstrk

Give it up. There were no WMDs. Iraq was a railroad job engineered by Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Co. The power vacuum we created in 2003 has been filled by violent islamists — as I predicted at the time. Obama’s failure is in doing nothing to redeem the situation and in positively supporting the islamists in Syria and elsewhere. Obama took a bad situation and made it worse. But Bush destabilized the region, to his everlasting infamy. Second worst president ever.


22 posted on 06/13/2014 7:24:00 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Rennes Templar

Obama has had, what, 172 golf days since he took office?

Iraq is falling apart, and Obama is so concerned that he goes to a high school graduation and tells everyone how bad the Republicans are.

Golf and gab......that’s what you get from Obama.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 7:24:27 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Romulus

saddam destabilized the region with his endless war with Iran and his invasion of Kuwait, and yes, Saddam moved his weapons of mass destruction to Syria and no, I won’t “give it up”


24 posted on 06/13/2014 7:28:01 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I’m siding with you on this one.

It has been reported and revealed MANY times that those WMD’s were moved to Syria.

The MSM refused to touch it.


25 posted on 06/13/2014 7:29:24 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: yldstrk
Link 1

Link 2


26 posted on 06/13/2014 7:31:35 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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Is the violence in Iraq Obama's fault?

NOTHING is ever this clown's fault, he just learned about this in the newspapers, but I am sure that he is right on top of it.

Obama: I will not rest

Nobody is more anything than President Obama
27 posted on 06/13/2014 7:32:21 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Rennes Templar

Of course it is.

Many of us pointed out then the inevitability of what would come next after his capitulation. To monsters like Øbozo it’s a game but normal people recognize that lives are at stake.

My only regret is that the stench of corruption and failure won’t stick to him like a swim on a cesspool. He should be forced to carry it with him the rest of his miserable existence.


28 posted on 06/13/2014 7:34:16 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Rennes Templar

Will Obama repeat this mess in Afghanistan?

Yes


29 posted on 06/13/2014 7:34:45 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: ConservativeMan55

yep yep

Libs love to say otherwise, but there were photos of the convoy too


30 posted on 06/13/2014 7:34:47 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Yep I remember seeing photos of the Convoy.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 7:35:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Romulus

Do you suppose that it was Mono-sodium Glutamate that hussein used on his own people?


32 posted on 06/13/2014 7:37:15 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Rennes Templar

Things have to be viewed from the time Barry took office.

It doesn’t matter who got us into Iraq or why. Barry’s decisions should be evaluated based on the situation in front of him, on Jan 20, 2009....which was a fairly stable Iraq, with an army being trained, elections being held, etc.

Now, as a result of Barry’s decision to sprint out of there, the streets are lined with beheaded Iraqi soldiers, and in the span of a week Iraq is being converted into the world’s largest and most well financed terrorist state in the history of human kind.

This is Barry’s fault.

There’s also another litmus test. Are the airwaves filled with media talking heads covering the disaster in Iraq? Not really. That means that the media intuitively knows it can’t be blamed on Bush.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 7:37:29 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: yldstrk
The earliest account of Hussein having hidden his WMDs in Syria came in January of 2004. Nizar Nayouf, an award-winning Syrian journalist who was granted political asylum in France,

said in a letter to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf not only that he knew Iraq’s WMDs were being hidden inside Syria, but that he could pinpoint precisely where they were being kept.

According to Nayouf’s witness, described as a senior source inside Syrian military intelligence he had known for two years, Iraq’s WMDs were in tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria, in the village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, and in the city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of the city of Homs.

Nayouf claimed that the transfer of Iraqi WMDs to Syria was organized by the commanders of Hussein’s Iraqi Republican Guard with the help of General Dhu al-Himma Shalish and Assef Shawkat, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s cousin and brother-in-law, respectively.

We know for a fact that Shalish had a working relationship with Hussein long before the war in Iraq. The Syrian government awarded Shalish and his company, SES International Corporation, exclusive rights on contracts to supply the Iraqi market with goods from construction materials to detergent. According to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA),

Shalish and SES helped the former Ba’athist regime access weapons systems by issuing false end-user certificates to foreign suppliers that listed Syria as the final country of destination. SES International then transshipped the goods to Iraq, and Shalish was subsequently sanctioned by the U.S. for procuring defense-related goods for Hussein in violation of sanctions against Iraq.

When two sources from the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) — a 1,400-member team organized by the Pentagon and CIA — spoke with the Washington Times in August 2004, they reported that Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries. The shift was followed by the movement of trucks in and out of Syria suspected of carrying materials banned by UN sanctions. Once the shipments were made, the agents would leave and the regular border guards would resume their posts.

A similar claim was made by Lieutenant General Moshe Ya’alon in December of 2005, a former Israeli military officer who served as chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces from July 2002 to June 2005. “(Hussein) transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria” six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom started, according to Ya’alon. “No one went to Syria to find it.”

Just a month later in January 2006, the Iraqi general who served as the No. 2 official in Hussein’s air force, Georges Sada, claimed Iraq moved WMDs into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into two civilian aircrafts in which the passenger seats were removed, as well as in multiple ground convoys of trucks.

“There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands,” Sada stated. “I am confident they were taken over [to Syria].”

Sada said he even knew the two pilots who transported the material: “I know them very well. They are very good friends of mine.” He claimed that the pilots told him Special Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, including “yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel.” The flights, 56 in total, attracted little notice because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in June of 2002.

“Saddam realized, this time, the Americans are coming,” Sada said. “They handed over the weapons of mass destruction to the Syrians.” He claimed that the Iraqi official responsible for transferring the weapons was a cousin of Hussein named Ali Hussein al-Majid, known as “Chemical Ali.”

One month after that in February of 2006, Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti, a former Iraqi general and “personal friend” of Hussein’s who defected shortly before the Gulf War of 1991, also claimed as much in an interview: “I know Saddam’s weapons are in Syria due to certain military deals that were made going as far back as the late 1980s that dealt with the event that either capitals were threatened with being overrun by an enemy nation.

“At this point Saddam knew that the United States were eventually going to come for his weapons and the United States wasn’t going to just let this go like they did in the original Gulf War,” al-Tikriti said. “He knew that he had lied for this many years and wanted to maintain legitimacy with the pan-Arab nationalists. He also has wanted since he took power to embarrass the West and this was the perfect opportunity to do so. After Saddam denied he had such weapons why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found?”

Finally, current Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper, who formerly headed the U.S. agency that processes and analyzes satellite imagery (the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency), claimed in an interview with the New York Times in October of 2003 that “satellite imagery showing a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion in March” led him to believe that illegal weapons material had “unquestionably” been moved out of Iraq.

“I think personally that those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence,” said Clapper. “I’ll call it an ‘educated hunch.’ Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of WMD activity. … There is no question that there was a lot of traffic, increase in traffic up to the immediate onset of combat and certainly during Iraqi Freedom.”

It’s not like Hussein didn’t have any time to carry out such a large transfer. To the contrary, the Bush administration had been trying to make a case for military intervention in Iraq almost a year before the invasion finally occurred in March 2003.

Truthfully, we’ll probably never know where these chemical weapons now being used in the Syrian civil war originated from. I also concede that all we have to go on are second-hand eye witness accounts and sources as well as a lot of hearsay and conjecture for which no amount of intelligence gathering from 10 years ago can now prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. Still, I thought it was worth re-exploring. And I’d very much still like to know indeed where these weapons came from.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/62103/how-did-syria-get-chemical-weapons-did-they-come-from-our-old-friend-saddam
34 posted on 06/13/2014 7:42:39 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Rennes Templar

I believe he is responsible. If he had tried to work out a sensible status of forces agreement to maintain long term the gains that had been made (whether or not he supported the war in the first place), things would likely have been different, IMHO.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 7:43:15 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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No, it’s not his fault. The fault is on those who perpetrate the violence.

But he made the decisions that paved the way for it to happen, and has done nothing to try to stop it. So he bears full responsibility, especially because such an outcome was so easily predicted and concerns over it were repeatedly dismissed.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 7:45:45 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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Uhm.. not only has he done nothing to stop it. He has helped perpetuate it!

He A) choreographed when we would leave Iraq and basically told the enemy he would do nothing to stop their advance.

B)He Provided them with WEAPONS to take over the country!

Taxpayer funded weapons.


37 posted on 06/13/2014 7:47:44 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Obama’s foreign policy is by Magic 8 Ball. I take that back, if his foreign policy was purely by chance, he would do what is right for the US once in a while.


38 posted on 06/13/2014 7:52:51 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Rennes Templar
Obama and progressives in general lack the 'shame' gene.

However,recalling essays posted in the past by Hugh Fitzgerald at JihadWatch.org (now at NewEnghlishReview), one begins to wonder if Obama is inadvertently revealing the true nature of Islam through his policy. The tribal nature of the Middle East defies Western logic/policy.

Why express “worry” about sectarian violence between different sects of mujahedin, who otherwise would be devoting their energies to our destruction? Evacuate the Christian minority and leave Islam to do what Islam does to themselves.

As for the Kurds, they will never be Arab. Islam is an Arab supremacy ideology, hence the eternal conflict between shia & sunni . . . any future for Kurds depends on expendable energy the Shia or Sunni has for addressing Kurds - eternally. It's the nature of the beast.

Islam is a self inflicted wound. The sooner the West realizes survival depends on excising Islam, the safer the world will be.

39 posted on 06/13/2014 7:53:03 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Rennes Templar

What does it take for Boehner to begin Articles of Impeachment for the Democrat’s Obama?


40 posted on 06/13/2014 7:58:13 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: rockrr

You have forgotten that Cheney & Rumsfeld were terrorizing the American people with warnings of mushroom clouds right here in the USA. You have forgotten that he war was sold on the myth of nuclear weapons almost ready to launch.


41 posted on 06/13/2014 8:02:54 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Rennes Templar

Obama took possession of it in 2011 by doing a “Mission Accomplished” victory lap.


42 posted on 06/13/2014 8:04:47 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: yldstrk

A lot of Chaldean Christians who now live in Jordanian refugee camps — if they’re alive at all — wish we could return that that kind of “instability”.


43 posted on 06/13/2014 8:04:58 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Rennes Templar

Yes. And the Obama buttlicking media will DO THEIR BEST to cover for him.

Hillary ALSO bears quite a bit of responsibility, too, by the way. She was at the helm of State as we ignored the threat.

The bottom line is we will end up fighting these terrorists. They will not stop in Iraq.

They are growing stronger, America under Obama and Hillary is growing weaker....

We must turn back to God. Repent.


44 posted on 06/13/2014 8:06:14 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Rennes Templar

Obama’s speech at West Point was a signal to the ISIS


45 posted on 06/13/2014 8:21:14 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“The bottom line is we will end up fighting these terrorists.”

Fighting is the only way to stop them. Bush knew this. Obama actually thought they could be appeased. Now look at the mess he’s allowed.

Worst. Prersident. Ever.


46 posted on 06/13/2014 8:26:36 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: wtd

The shame should be over the waste of US soldiers lives. If Obama had followed through with military presence, I believe Iraq would be stable. The only way to keep the sectarian violence down is with a strong deterent. I think the extremists could have been marginalized. Now, forget it.


47 posted on 06/13/2014 8:34:35 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: Romulus

It almost feels pointless to debate this on here again, but yes Saddam Hussein was absolutely building nuclear weapons and the facilities and scientists were moved to Syria.

And the US wasn’t the only ones saying Saddam was close to acquiring nukes - other allies and international agencies were saying it as well.

The movement of the nuclear program to Syria eventually led to the Israeli strike in September 2007.


48 posted on 06/13/2014 8:34:38 AM PDT by Dave346
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To: Romulus

I cannot forget an event which never transpired.


49 posted on 06/13/2014 8:37:30 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Rennes Templar
Here's the real powers behind Arab Spring, and the violent crap that escalated in Syria. and spread to Iraq: Bilderberg, CFR, Goldman Sachs & George Soros.

Fascinating article:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/12084-us-backed-syrian-opposition-linked-to-bilderberg-cfr-goldman-sachs-george-soros

50 posted on 06/13/2014 9:18:36 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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