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To: Bullish

alright, i’ll take your argument point by point.

1. first, there are no “guarantees” in life short of death and the second coming of Jesus. and a correlary of that is the overated nature of “permanence.”

2. your goal is to beat the dems. my goal is to restore America’s founding principles and thus save her for my kids and their kids. your goal, IMO, is incompatible with mine.

3. the republican party was once a “third” party. UKIP is also a “third” party.

4. i was one of the “clueless” and uncaring when perot made his run. i won’t say for sure, but i don’t think i even voted in that election. if i did, i probably voted for perot. but i’m sure that perot wouldn’t have accomplished that much against the entrenched powers that be without our Lord’s backing and a huge dissatisfaction with your party and it’s leadership and it’s message. which is from what i’ve read, exactly the same message and program the GOPe has today. my feeling is that perot was probably a huge warning to the GOP etablishment that they must accept conservatism. they obviously didn’t. thus, i accept the results as His will being done and the best result available for God and perhaps America at that moment in His plan.

oh well, over long. it could go on and on. i won’t finish this, it’s enough.

if the GOPe really wanted to counter that self-interested dem message my relatives and leftists vote for, they could do just that, by adopting true conservatism: the founding, Judeo-Christian principles that made us great, honestly and forthrightly expressed. but those principles have to be demonstrated in word and deed. but given every opportunity to do so (the latest being cantor’s loss), they haven’t yet. my dem relatives know the GOPe is playing a disingenuous game (things like bipartisanship, nafta and amnesty being prime examples of that), they sense the GOPe’s hypocrisy, and they *know* all politicans lie, so they feel might as well vote for the best gamers who give benefits, the dems. in otherwords, there really is no choice for them. they aren’t really that clueless, just venal and human.

therefore i must reluctantly conclude that GOPe will not change. they have created a comfortable, *permanent,* safe nitch as one of the top two. and if they won’t change, only the completely “clueless,” with zero knowledge of history would deny where we must end being satisfied with the “two” parties we have now.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 9:18:21 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: dadfly

Good luck with your 3rd party then. I’ve been all through this discussion the last 3 or 4 election cycles, probably more. I read the first couple lines of your reply and that’s all I care to read, I know exactly where your going, the argument hasn’t changed one bit since the last cycle. Been all through it and I’m done arguing it.

Though I, like you, want to restore Constitutional govt and the rule of law, tossing the dice on a 3rd party will only give us Hillary Clinton and all branches of power in dem hands. Then we’re out of the pan and right smack in the fire and the 3rd party will slink off to oblivion.

I’d rather take my chances with a party that at this point has a good chance of winning then go with a party that doesn’t. It’s kinda a matter of life and death to my family and their future at this point.

So again, good luck to you and your new 3rd party.


32 posted on 06/13/2014 9:34:31 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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