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Why I'll never go back to California
wnd.com ^ | 6/13/2014 | Patrice Lewis

Posted on 06/15/2014 5:25:25 AM PDT by rktman

California is the embodiment of Margaret Thatcher’s famous quote, “The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.” It is depressing that even with the evidence of years of repeated collectivist failure, people keep trying to make a communist silk purse out of a rotting sow’s ear.

Just keep this in mind if you decide to flee the socialist stench of California: Please remember why you left. Don’t Californicate your new home.

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While I completely understand Ms. Lewis' thoughts on Cali and would not live there either, there are those that for some strange set of circumstances, be it financial, family or whatever are there to stay. I even have an old work buddy that just retired and is moving to San Diego from AZ. WHAT? I keep asking him, "Are you sure?" Family ties for he and his wife and a nice sail boat docked there. I don't get it. Heck we're close enough to the border that sometimes we can feel this weird vibe in the distance. Big cities, no thanks. But as everything else in life, it everybody's own choice. Choose wisely my FRiend. :>}
1 posted on 06/15/2014 5:25:25 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

I grew up in LA and went to UC Berkeley in the early 70s. I left in 1979 and never went back except to visit family. Now I live in CT, almost as bad but not quite. My family is pushing me to move back, but I really am having trouble with it, as much as I love them. Just visiting there and being forbidden to use plastic bags at the stores pisses me off. The smug self-righteousness of the left permeates everything. I don’t think I could take it.


2 posted on 06/15/2014 5:38:45 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: madmominct

My folks and I sailed in to Oakland back in ‘61, after being stationed overseas for nearly a decade. We came in on the MSTS ship General W. A. Mann, under the Golden Gate Bridge.
California looked damned good to me at the time.


3 posted on 06/15/2014 5:46:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: rktman
Please remember why you left. Don’t Californicate your new home.

They left because they screwed everybody they could and had nobody left to exploit.

Once they make their money and retire with those generous public pensions they head for greener pastures in Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho -- and then turn those states into mini-Californias.

4 posted on 06/15/2014 5:51:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: rktman

I visited California in ‘12 and traveled all over.

The state is overpopulated.


5 posted on 06/15/2014 5:54:42 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: madmominct

Connecticut or California? I will take CT over CA since CT do have some areas of conservatives. I love the four seasons of CT and the hills, too.


6 posted on 06/15/2014 6:01:26 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: ExCTCitizen

CA has areas of conservatives also. Better weather too.


7 posted on 06/15/2014 6:04:38 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: madmominct

I know I couldn’t take it and we only live about 12 miles from the “border”. NorCal on the eastern side of the state is beautiful and most of the folks are conservative but like most places, the big lib/prog/socialist cities control what gets passed and the little guys in the boonies are left with their pants down. Kind of like why we have a electoral college for national elections. Popular vote? No thanks.


8 posted on 06/15/2014 6:04:43 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

We left San Diego for Scottsdale, AZ almost 20 years ago. We go back every year or two to visit family, but other than the ocean, I don’t miss California one bit.


9 posted on 06/15/2014 6:08:58 AM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: ExCTCitizen
I will take CT over CA since CT do have some areas of conservatives. I love the four seasons of CT and the hills, too.

so does California... and other than filling out an R4-Affidavit each year, there are no homeschooling laws--a big fat plus in my book...

10 posted on 06/15/2014 6:13:09 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: bert

Are you sure, all over?
Between Santa Barbara an salinas on the 101, hardly anyone
Drive the 5, nothing.
Los angles county and San Francisco Oakland are crowed otherwise not bad.


11 posted on 06/15/2014 6:13:44 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: rktman
Your's is a most accurate analysis. Except for a few "progressive" enclaves such as the university cities of Sacramento, Davis and Chico, nearly all of California 25 to 30 miles inland from the coast is conservative ... no, it's very conservative. The Valley farmers who own a good portion of the land have very little need or respect for "progressive" big government that is shoved regularly down their collective throats!
12 posted on 06/15/2014 6:14:38 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: rktman
Well… Californication is going on in lots of other places. Take for example Ontario, Canada which is a good comparison for California due to its significant size (population of 14,000,000 which would make it the 5th largest state if in the U.S.). The provincial election was held this past week with a rather unbelievable result. Everyone acknowledged that the Liberal government in power were socialist thugs and involved in so much corruption that it would be a cinch to replace them with a conservative government, right? Well, not only was the Liberal minority government not defeated, when the smoke cleared on Thursday, they now hold the majority in the legislature. How did they do it? Think about de Tocqueville famous quote of “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” Up until the point when they can no longer ‘endure’, a lot of spending of other people’s money goes on. What has happened in Ontario is almost the same as California… Between the union controlled public service, businesses that depend on government programs and initiatives for their revenues and a whole host of others who depend on the government for their very existence in some way, shape or form, there’s no point in even suggesting that spending should be reined in….it won’t happen due to the vested interest of what is now the majority (greatly encouraged in that process by the Liberals since it is a perfect fit for their DNA which naturally repulses the concept of living within one’s means). Ontario’s election wasn’t about choosing which party should be in power….. it was a referendum on fiscal conservatism itself and guess what was defeated?

Like California, Ontario has managed to find itself well beyond the tipping point. The possibility that public service unions would get so big that they (along with others who have a vested interested in a particular party winning) would be the deciding factor as to who would be in power was always out there……Everyone should be dead against all public service unions for this very reason but the argument is typically always poo pooed on the grounds that the unions weren’t quite large enough to influence an election and besides, “they would have a breakdown of voting preferences that would be reflective of the general population”. Ya right..… Can you believe that the Ontario Provincial Police Association (union)even ran their own commercials that essentially laid out a threat to Ontarians that if they voted for the Conservative (Alinsky tactic Rule 12), we would be virtually guaranteed labour strife? It is mindboggling that the citizenry wasn’t up in arms about this…. oh wait, it was the POLICE who did it. If the idea of being held hostage by the police doesn’t strike fear into every citizen of Ontario, I don’t know what will. I was chatting with a young nurse just before the election and she said that she and all the nurses that she knows have been told “if you vote Conservative you will lose your job.” Well….it worked and she voted Liberal. Somehow these types of threats and the general demonization that went on against the Conservatives by all these groups means that the Province isn’t really going to be run by the Liberals for the next 4 years… it will be run by fear as spread by public service unions whose plans will be readily implemented by the Liberals. And so what the citizenry is left with is no mechanism to rein in spending short of Ontario’s credit rating going completely in the toilet.

The tipping point has been exceeded….. Conservatives in Ontario can never win again since the block of potential voters with their vested interest is guaranteed to vote against them every time. The party may as well as go into a state of total dormancy until the province crashes and burns… which history dictates it will.

13 posted on 06/15/2014 6:18:50 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: svcw

That was my impression and I was on the royal road ( butterfield trail) for a lot of the time


14 posted on 06/15/2014 6:20:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: glennaro

There is a prog/lib/socialist belt/corridor along I-80 from around Roseville all the way in to the bay area. I’m guessin’ there’s about a 20-25 mile zone on either side of I-80 that has succumbed to or toes the prog/lib/socialist mantra. Outside that, pretty conservative.


15 posted on 06/15/2014 6:22:40 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Uncle Chip

They pretty much succeeded in Californicating Oregon and Washington. They are half way there in Colorado. AZ and Idaho are still Red though.


16 posted on 06/15/2014 6:24:04 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: hecticskeptic

Like Maggie said, sooner or later you run out of other peoples money. But that must be okay since the Federal Reserve will just print a new batch to hand out. Soon to become monopoly money if we keep going. Have the conservatives (your choice of defining that) become so disgusted that a lot don’t even bother to participate any more? As long as the lsm keeps hammering home the point that the libs/progs/socialitst are going to sweep the elections and conservatives buy it, there isn’t much going to change. It really boils down to which group of “promisers” each individual chooses to believe. Or which ones they feel are lying more, or less, to them.


17 posted on 06/15/2014 6:30:48 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Rusty0604

I live in the Los Angeles area and when I moved here I found a network of conservative, deeply religious folks. I was surprised at how many there actually are. We are in the minority to be sure but we are here and we are fighting for our principles and beliefs.

I also get to enjoy the beautiful weather, quiet, and light traffic in the area where I live. I plan on staying here unless cost of living gets beyond what I can afford.


18 posted on 06/15/2014 6:39:21 AM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: hecticskeptic

Young Canadians (under 40) in my experience, seem to be very radicalized. I’ve heard them spew anti-Americanism & anti-Western nonsense that would put the French to shame.


19 posted on 06/15/2014 6:39:26 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: rktman
The liberal media played a very active role in this election. They first did a phenomenal job of making it look early on as if the Conservatives/conservatives were going to win and win big…. in retrospect, it was all part of the game of striking fear into the Liberal/liberal base to ensure that they went to the polls. The Conservative Party did really run a poor campaign which compounded the problem of overcoming the insurmountable block of ‘those with a government vested interest’ and I’ve heard that for this election, there were more ‘withdrawn ballots’ than for any other…not sure if you are familiar with this term but ‘withdrawing your ballot’ is the formal way of saying that ‘none of these clowns are fit to represent me’ (as opposed to just spoiling one’s ballot). I think that for the most part, the answer to your question is yes.
20 posted on 06/15/2014 6:41:50 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
... back in ‘61,... California looked damned good to me at the time

It was good at the time. It was the best place in the world. Now it is a picture of the legacy of practicing Liberalism - rotten and festering.

21 posted on 06/15/2014 6:49:57 AM PDT by Gritty (The war is over. We won. - Michael Yon, Top Iraq War Correspondent, 07/21/2008)
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To: Rusty0604

Nine coastal counties (out of 58). That’s all that keeps Cali from being a conservative state.


22 posted on 06/15/2014 6:50:19 AM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: rktman

My husband’s company pulled out of So California 5 years ago. Now we are in AZ. I really miss the beauty, the weather and friends in California......we were there for 2 decades. That being said, I doubt we would retire there. I could not afford to spend most of my Social Security on property taxes.


23 posted on 06/15/2014 6:52:36 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: LongWayHome
Young Canadians (under 40) in my experience, seem to be very radicalized. I’ve heard them spew anti-Americanism & anti-Western nonsense that would put the French to shame.

I’d agree with you but there is a big rural-urban divide… you will find far less ‘anti-American radicalization in the rural districts. In this regard, it isvery similar to the map showing the rural-urban split in the U.S. after the last couple of presidential elections (the blue is all concentrated around the major population areas). The electoral map for Ontario is shown in this article in the National Post. Very generally, almost all of Southern Ontario rural areas voted for the Conservatives and all the big cities including the Greater Toronto Area voted for the Liberals. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/13/ontario-liberal-landslide-with-only-about-a-third-of-the-votes-is-a-powerful-new-argument-for-election-reform/

24 posted on 06/15/2014 6:54:12 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: madmominct

lived in Ct in the 80s and CA in early 2000s.

both are beautiful.

I think Ct won out as a family place.

We cannot judge the character of a place by beauty alone.

Live in Texas now. Is it beautiful? yes, in different ways.

Its beauty is not in just scenery but in the people and its law-abiding and God-fearing citizens.

This is where I die


25 posted on 06/15/2014 6:54:32 AM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: glennaro

Very conservative. Ha!!! Even the conservatives in CA are liberal.


26 posted on 06/15/2014 6:57:26 AM PDT by Shimmer1
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To: rktman

Thought I had died and gone to heaven as we crossed the Bay Bridge in 1967 and drove down to Silicon Valley where we lived until 2002. Things were fine until about 1978.

We moved to southern Utah and established our business to take advantage of tourism. Zion National Park is 12 miles west of us so we see the traveling lefties every day. Thank heaven they don’t stay. In this small Long Valley we have about five hundred residents. Can’t say I have ever met a liberal among them.

http://www.thunderbirdfoundation.org


27 posted on 06/15/2014 6:58:59 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: hecticskeptic

The way that was fixed in NV was a box to check for “None of the above”. Which is kinda like tossing your vote away. Our choice for mayor upcoming is between a guy who wants to carry the current mayor’s mantle forward or a “Perky Progressive” young lady who owns a couple of local businesses. Oiks! Well, I certainly don’t want the “PP” so I guess I go with the good ‘ol boy. Pretty sad.


28 posted on 06/15/2014 6:59:21 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Gritty
I weep when I red about what has become of Oakland.
A few years ago, before I curtailed my business traveling, I preferred to fly into Oakland and meet customers for lunch at Trader Vic's in Emeryville. Now it's gone...
29 posted on 06/15/2014 7:00:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: rktman

Tustin yes, Newport Beach yes, LA or SF no.


30 posted on 06/15/2014 7:03:31 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Shimmer1
Very conservative. Ha!!! Even the conservatives in CA are liberal.

Nothing quite like a fact-free post. Allow me to compensate for that: CA often wins among the States for the most donations to FreeRepublic.

31 posted on 06/15/2014 7:08:55 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: madmominct

I would live in CA only if I had no income that can be taxed and buy property. And I would live away from the cities as well. Like far Northern CA.


32 posted on 06/15/2014 7:11:07 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: hecticskeptic

I’m in New England....I’ve met hundreds of Canadians living & working here over the years. Almost never hear the older folks talk about America like the younger generation. Most of the Canadians I know are from NB, NS & PEI & in general & they are quality people. I’m sure your urban crowd is like ours....


33 posted on 06/15/2014 7:12:39 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: k omalley

Light traffic? Goodness, what part of Los Angeles area do you live in?


34 posted on 06/15/2014 7:13:11 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: Utah Binger

Orderville?


35 posted on 06/15/2014 7:13:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: rktman

The most popular bumper sticker where I lived 40 years ago was “DON’T CALIFORNICATE COLORADO!”

Now it has been. First it was Oregon, then Washington, then Colorado, Now they are moving into my home state of New Mexico.

They foul their own nest, then move to a clean one and start to foul it, trying to make it a copy of the one they left.


36 posted on 06/15/2014 7:14:25 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Company I worked for before, the management went really downhill. One day, came to me, told me my position was eliminated and was given orders to move to the east coast and was required to sell my house - so no means to come back if the new job went downhill.

> My husband’s company pulled out of So California 5 years ago.


37 posted on 06/15/2014 7:16:24 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Rusty0604

Yes...both states got nice areas...the redwoods are beautiful... even when they are used for lumber...


38 posted on 06/15/2014 7:16:46 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: All

My husband and I lived in California (Oceanside, Bakersfield, Laguna Niguel) in the 80’s early 90’s. I liked it but wanted my children raised with positive Midwestern values. We moved back and I’ll never leave Kansas City unless I’m dragged out kicking and screaming.

There are still places of beauty in Ca, but home is home.


39 posted on 06/15/2014 7:16:57 AM PDT by navymom1
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To: bestintxas

A couple of years ago...........

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1377367/posts


40 posted on 06/15/2014 7:17:05 AM PDT by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: originalbuckeye
"I could not afford to spend most of my Social Security on property taxes."

Prop 13 took care of that if you were there for 20 years. By leaving the State, you surrendered that protection.

41 posted on 06/15/2014 7:17:11 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: latina4dubya

Northern CA is nice... Mount Shasta is nice...yes, you are correct. CA got nice areas, too.


42 posted on 06/15/2014 7:18:58 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: rktman

I haven’t set foot in California for 20 years and,apart from possibly changing planes at SFO or LAX,I don’t see myself every setting foot there again.Massachusetts is bad...*real* bad....but not quite as bad as The Land Of Fruits And Nuts And Flakes.


43 posted on 06/15/2014 7:19:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Uncle Chip
Please remember why you left. Don’t Californicate your new home.

Most of these liberals are recent arrivals to California (a couple of generations). They came from New England and the rust belt.

Now that they have ruined California they are moving to the southwest and the northwest.

Rather than stay and fight these carpetbaggers many conservative people choose to take their families elsewhere.

Isn't that exactly what the Iraqi people are doing? Fleeing the battle?

It may be a little late for this state. But the lesson to be learned is: stay invested in local politics, fight every encroachment of socialism/Marxism.

44 posted on 06/15/2014 7:20:16 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: k omalley

You say you live in the L.A. area and value the “light traffic”? Where in the “L.A. Area” are you?


45 posted on 06/15/2014 7:22:22 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: rktman

‘None of the Above’ won the Democrat Governor’s primary......


46 posted on 06/15/2014 7:22:31 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: bert
"The state is overpopulated."

Not true! Everyone is concentrated in SD, LA, or SF, and 'near the coast.' Go elsewhere and California is almost empty. Give the Socialists their head and they will have you living in high rises in cities that they control and nowhere else.

47 posted on 06/15/2014 7:22:59 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: rktman

Please don’t move to Georgia. We already have enough NE transplants moving here and then voting to turn our state into the same chitehole they left behind.


48 posted on 06/15/2014 7:23:46 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Gov Jerry Brown is trying to eradicate Prop 13.


49 posted on 06/15/2014 7:24:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: navymom1
... and I’ll never leave Kansas City unless I’m dragged out kicking and screaming.

Or carried off by a tornado. :-P

50 posted on 06/15/2014 7:34:31 AM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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