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TNR: It's OK to Choose to Be Gay
The New Republic ^ | 06/17/2014 | Eric Sasson

Posted on 06/17/2014 7:04:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Texas Governor Rick Perry has again made headlines for the wrong reasons when, speaking at the Commonwealth Club of California last week, he likened homosexuality to alcoholism. "Whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that," he said. "I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way."

Gay-rights groups reacted per usual. "Although he may not have the 'genetic coding' to think before he speaks, Rick Perry, M.D. should have a real conversation with actual doctors before voicing his expertise on these issues,” said Fred Sainz of the Human Rights Campaign.

But here's a thought: What if Rick Perry was right?

I'm not saying that Perry is right. I'm saying that it's time for the LGBT community to start moving beyond genetic predisposition as a tool for gaining mainstream acceptance of gay rights.

For decades now, it's been the most powerful argument in the LGBT arsenal: that we were “born this way.” Certainly there's evidence that the argument has played an important role in the shifting of attitudes towards the LGBT community. And the evidence for genetic predisposition is overwhelming. If scientists choose to be skeptical about one argument in favor of predisposition, they have several other arguments to fall back on: Studies of congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other conditions suggesting increased levels of testosterone in the pre-birth hormones of lesbian and bisexual women.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; perry; tx2014

1 posted on 06/17/2014 7:04:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Gay Gene study had a problem - it was not reproducible.


2 posted on 06/17/2014 7:06:12 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: SeekAndFind

Coming out of the closet about coming out of the closet?


3 posted on 06/17/2014 7:06:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I just wish soemone would say…”If you want to be gay, be gay! Just quit telling me over and over that you’re gay because I don’t give a sh**!”


4 posted on 06/17/2014 7:06:59 AM PDT by albie
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To: albie

RE: Just quit telling me over and over that you’re gay because I don’t give a sh**!”

Ahhh, but you have to, IT’s PRACTICALLY THE LAW. If you’re in business, You must bake their cake and take their photos at their “weddings” under penalty.

Which is to say, you have no choice on the matter.


5 posted on 06/17/2014 7:09:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm saying that it's time for the LGBT community to start moving beyond genetic predisposition as a tool for gaining mainstream acceptance of gay rights.

Yes, comrades, that piece of propaganda has served its purpose - now it's time to determine which new 'truths' will currently serve the revolution.

6 posted on 06/17/2014 7:12:11 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This points up once again, that we don’t know what causes homosexuality. Lady Gag can sing they are both that way, but she can gag on her opinion. Lady Gag doesn’t know any more about this subject than you or I do. Heck, she has a big fan base among homosexuals, so feels like she should pander to them like a politician.


7 posted on 06/17/2014 7:13:35 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: SeekAndFind
And the evidence for genetic predisposition is overwhelming

No it is not.

8 posted on 06/17/2014 7:14:20 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

“Born that way” is the “medical marijuana” of the sexual deviancy movement.


9 posted on 06/17/2014 7:15:24 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm so tired of all this homosexual stuff.

If you are confused about your sex, drop your pants and we can tell you what your sex is.

If you can't accept that, then you need to see a shrink.

If you insist on not accepting that, then do what you want but please shut up about it.
You are not normal, I don't accept you as normal, and your continued insistence that I do so only makes you less so.

10 posted on 06/17/2014 7:16:02 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: albie

That’s a great point. Keep the disgusting things you do with your genitals to yourself.


11 posted on 06/17/2014 7:16:55 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Post-Buckley TNR has certainly made its choice for ‘gay’.

Sad ending to a magnificent legacy; it dies with a lisp instead of a bang.


12 posted on 06/17/2014 7:20:21 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Happier than a Svoboda skinhead with a free armband.)
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To: WayneS

Right. An identical twin study (with at least one gay twin) showed that in only 20 percent of the cases were both twins gay; the other 80 percent had only one twin gay.


13 posted on 06/17/2014 7:20:25 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

She would have no fans if not for the fancy boys.


14 posted on 06/17/2014 7:20:42 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
“Born that way” is the “medical marijuana” of the sexual deviancy movement.

Bad analogy - the medical benefits of marijuana are well established.

15 posted on 06/17/2014 7:20:50 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Psalm 144

Oh, hell, I confused New Republic with National Review.

New Republic has always been this way.

Need coffee, stat.


16 posted on 06/17/2014 7:21:34 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Happier than a Svoboda skinhead with a free armband.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wouldn’t say the “born that way” argument is “overwhelming”. But Perry does stumble upon a valid question. If an alcoholic can give up that “lifestyle” and is encouraged to by nearly everyone despite his genetic alignment, why is it so wrong to suggest gays should do the same thing?

Gays argue that nobody ever *chooses* to be gay (another talking point I am not sold on) but, if that is true, why are gays so busy attacking any programs designed to turn gays away from the “lifestyle”? Can you imagine if alcoholics sabotaged AA and tried to sue them out of existence for merely wanting to help people who didn’t want to be controlled by alcohol?


17 posted on 06/17/2014 7:22:54 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: Psalm 144

You’ll be happy to know WF Buckley didn’t start The New Republic. He started National Review.


18 posted on 06/17/2014 7:23:32 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: OrangeHoof

RE: If an alcoholic can give up that “lifestyle” and is encouraged to by nearly everyone despite his genetic alignment, why is it so wrong to suggest gays should do the same thing?

Herein lies the problem of MORAL WORLDVIEW.

Unless you are arguing from the same moral foundation, there’s really no point in telling a gay person that his or her lifestyle or choice is wrong.

They might agree with you that alcoholism is wrong and ruins lives, but they’re going to deny that being gay or doing gay things is wrong.

Same principle applies to politics.

Rick Perry and Barack Obama re not arguing from the same moral foundation.

One believes the gay lifestyle is wrong, the other believes that it is as “normal” as being heterosexual.

The future of this country will depend on whether or not the majority who live here hold to Perry’s morals or Obama’s.


19 posted on 06/17/2014 7:27:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Psalm 144

I see you’ve straitened yourself out. Ha! You get it?


20 posted on 06/17/2014 7:28:13 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Psalm 144

Sad ending to a magnificent legacy . . .

Now, its mission statement reads “standing athwart history and . . . . [fill in the blank].”


21 posted on 06/17/2014 7:29:17 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: SeekAndFind

“And the evidence for genetic predisposition is overwhelming.”

Funny, why haven’t the gays shown that overwhelming evidence to scientists then?


22 posted on 06/17/2014 7:32:07 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Genoa

ANd no doubt that in the 20% of the cases, the only reason both were gay was because the one twin influenced the other to become gay; otherwise, we’d see the usual 1-2% homosexuals in the twin population.


23 posted on 06/17/2014 7:33:22 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: SeekAndFind

How would a gay gene be passed on?


24 posted on 06/17/2014 7:34:49 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MikeyB806

The 20 percent can no doubt be explained by addressing environmental and psychological factors having to do with being raised in the same home. But the 80 percent clearly negates the genetic theory.


25 posted on 06/17/2014 7:35:09 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: demshateGod

I permanently confuse the two magazines. Back in the day I subscribed to both. I really miss the Buckley’s Review.


26 posted on 06/17/2014 7:35:33 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Happier than a Svoboda skinhead with a free armband.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Okie logic alert: If Sodomites are born that way, why were there zero in my high school? They were latent homos, suppressing their true inclinations to the detriment of their mental health? Okay, so now that they’re out with it, they’re happy and stable?


27 posted on 06/17/2014 7:36:25 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The homosexualists know that their lives are a choice and have known since they started their protests years ago and proclaimed that they should not be discriminated against based on their sexual ...wait for it...PREFERENCE.

Now they fear that designation because a choice implies the potential for a cure or prevention, and that means that the presence of self-proclaimed homosexuals in the population would be reduced dramatically.


28 posted on 06/17/2014 7:36:48 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder if it is legal if you say “I think you are a perv” while you bake and deliver the wedding cake? Or do you not even get the freedom to SAY that? Or to think that? How intrusive is this law that the Marxists-in-Charge seem to think is Law of the Land? What are the penalties for ignoring it? Would the Supremes really hold you guilty, if it went to the top?


29 posted on 06/17/2014 7:38:11 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
This points up once again, that we don’t know what causes homosexuality.

Yes we do: "Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death." James 1:15.

The cause is lust; Dreaming and fantasizing over ones own desires rather than obeying the will of God. The result is sin and ultimately eternal death in Hell.

Even though this sin is marked out in the Bible, that no Homosexual will enter the Kingdom of Heaven - any sin will keep one from going to heaven.

That is why Christ's coming is such good news. It is that anyone who truly believes upon His death on the cross (for all his sins), calling Him Lord, is saved from Hell and has life abundantly forever (both now and in heaven).

Even the sin of Homosexuality is forgiven, if one turns away (Repents from it completely), Believes upon the Saviors death in their place, makes Him Lord and turns and follows Him.

There is no sin that cannot be forgiven save one: That is not believing upon what Christ has done for sin.

Yes, what causes Homosexuality or any other sin is known and the good news of Christ is known as well.

30 posted on 06/17/2014 7:38:28 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: MikeyB806

..Probably by the Sodomites most powerful recruiting tool.


31 posted on 06/17/2014 7:38:43 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Most families have someone in their midst who is gay. We do. We love that person and I certainly believe they were born that way and did not wake up one day and decide to be gay.

That being said the gay lifestyle is a difficult life to lead and as much as the progressives have fought for gay marriage etc it still is considered by most to be an abnormal lifestyle and is not really socially acceptable. Choosing not to engage in it might be a wise choice. Rick Perry has a good point.


32 posted on 06/17/2014 8:14:24 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind
After eons of homosexuality (abbreviated H) being taboo and subject to being ostracized, the vanguards of our culture now says H is normal and OK. People are even applauded and called “courageous” for “coming out”. It is almost like they won the prize for drinking a half a case of beer and passing out at the high school party. Much like culture telling our young girls to loosen up and cast their virginity to the wind, thus getting attention from all the young bucks who want another notch in their belts, the aspiring queers are actually celebrated for a short period of time. The question that is uniformly ignored is, “What then?”.

What are the consequences of identifying as H . . . or banging the whole football team? Can you run from the internal guilt and shame? Will you be able to overcome the obvious health risks? Just what kind of benefits will this lifestyle bring? Will you be disappointed and/or isolated from those you love? What's next? What about 10 or 20 years down the road?

I don't ever intend to hurt or embarrass a H. I would appreciate the respect of the culture to allow me to quietly keep my distance because I am vastly different from the H community. But I actually feel sorry for the young, impressionable people who, as history proves, are being set up for a great deal of heartache, guilt and difficulty. I have never been approached for advice about it, but I think I would raise many of the questions mentioned above to them. Our depraved culture has a long history of selling snake oil to people who are not well grounded in their values. Such licentious behavior usually comes with a very high price tag . . . eventually . . . in this life AND afterward.

33 posted on 06/17/2014 8:39:12 AM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: sr4402

...For good reason: It was conducted by a homosexual using typical leftist science, determining the outcome regardless what the research revealed.


34 posted on 06/17/2014 11:17:51 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Psalm 144
16 Oh, hell, I confused New Republic with National Review. New Republic has always been this way. Need coffee, stat.

It's even worse now.

Chris Hughes – aged 29, American entrepreneur who co-founded and served as spokesman for the online social directory and networking site Facebook, with Harvard roommates Mark Zuckerberg (raised Jewish but now an avowed atheist and CEO of Facebook), Dustin Moskovitz, and Eduardo Saverin. He is currently the publisher and editor-in-chief of (left-wing political journal) The New Republic, after purchasing the magazine in 2012. He married his homosexual partner, Sean Eldridge, in 2012.

35 posted on 06/17/2014 12:13:22 PM PDT by MacNaughton (Marcus Tullius Cicero: "A nation ... cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: Genoa

Why didn’t homosexuals drop the ‘born that way’ crud when that came out, since it was no longer believable.


36 posted on 06/17/2014 7:17:07 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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