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To: kabar

We can start by focusing on the illegal aliens. Frankly your estimate of 8 million illegal aliens in the workforce is low. I would estimate that number to be closer to 20 million. The figures that the Government uses of 12 million illegal aliens is a lie. It is closer to 30 million or about 10% of the population.


42 posted on 06/18/2014 6:04:23 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe
We can start by focusing on the illegal aliens. Frankly your estimate of 8 million illegal aliens in the workforce is low. I would estimate that number to be closer to 20 million.

We should start by focusing on legal immigration. We don't need 1.1 million legal immigrants a year. In 1970 1 in 21 was foreign born in this country; today, it is one in 8, the highest in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. We have just had, by far, the two highest decades of legal immigration in our history. We had 9.7 million foreign born in 1970 and today it is approaching 45 million (40 million in 2010).

I would agree the official government estimate of 8 million illegal aliens is low, but I would challenge your estimate of 20 million illegal aliens in the workforce, which would make it 150% of the number of legal immigrants in the workforce. It just doesn't add up. On what basis or from what source are you estimating 20 million illegal aliens in the workforce? I have worked on the immigration issue for over 7 years, lobbied on the Hill on the issue, and studied the issue intensely over time. I have never read or heard of 20 million illegal aliens in the work force from any reputable source.

The figures that the Government uses of 12 million illegal aliens is a lie. It is closer to 30 million or about 10% of the population.

A high estimate by any measure. The most I have seen comes from a Bear-Sternes report some years back.

My point is that we are taking in 1.1 million legal immigrants a year along with 650,000 guest workers annually. The Senate Gang of 8 bill will triple legal immigration to 33 million over the next decade and double the influx of guest workers to 1.3 million annually. We have 4 million high school graduates annually, which means we will be importing one immigrant for every high school graduate. With 21 million Americans unemployed or underemployed, this makes no sense at all.

Unless we reduce substantially legal immigration, anything we do on illegal immigration will not affect significantly the current surplus of labor. And there are electoral consequences. At least two-thirds of the legal permanent immigrants we import annually will vote Democrat in the future. 87% of the legal immigrants are minorities as defined by the USG. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities and by 2043 we will be a majority-minority nation. We are losing this nation thru the ballot box as we enter the era of tribal politics. Legal immigration will make the Dems the permanent majority party. Amnesty just hastens the process.


51 posted on 06/18/2014 6:29:23 AM PDT by kabar
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