Posted on 06/18/2014 10:25:40 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
“...send the bombers in and...”
OMG... The RETURN of George S. Patton and Curtis LeMay!!!
You GO, brother!!! Haha!!!
“...Many Iraqis want to live in peace, screw the bloody holy war crap. They help us when we come in to help them. ...”
True that. The terrorist elements read their Mao and do the whole “fish hiding in a sea of fish” thing. Getting the people there to out the bad guys is the key.
The PROBLEM is, once they out them, and we leave, they’re still there, and will have to be dealt with. The key is training folks to be able to - and have the WILL power to - defend themselves from these animals.
“...Execute the guys you pick up off the field of battle. Quit playing by humane rules....”
Absolutely agree.
Not happening either. No POTUS is going to order the Nazi method of handling captured POWS , and they wont be nuking them either.
So since we have to live in the real world lets quit throwing our troops into these no-win situations.
Khent says: “Take off your pants, now.”
You too. Take off your pants.
RE execute:
If you catch a guy planting IEDs, sniping at our guys, actively engaged in combat against our people, he should not be treated to a taxpayer-funded vacation at Club Gitmo.
Don’t bother to take him prisoner. It isn’t “Nazi”, it’s common sense. How did our people deal with die-hard Japanese on Peleliu, Saipan, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa? They killed them. With machine guns, flame throwers, grenades, and bayonets.
Kuribayashi had about 22,000 Japanese troops on Iwo; not many of them surrendered. Almost ALL of them (19,000) died at their guns. The ones that surrendered were, for the most part Korean conscripts or so badly shattered from the bombing that they were mental cases.
I agree with you on the “throwing troops into no-win situations”. But in the real world, if we HAVE to go in somewhere, we go in to win it and end it.
I NEVER want to see another airliner crashing into an American building, or a suicide bomber detonating on an American street.
Khent is not in a position to be giving orders to anyone...
Remember... the Broadway Show Tunes and Liza Minelli collection is on the line...
For some reason US POTUSs try to avoid going down in history with Hitler, Stalin and Po-Pot.
Call them RINOs if you like for that, its just reality.
It sounded like you were saying that our US soldiers should have executed the ones who surrendered w (hands up no weapons), versus killing those who fight to the end.
That would be very short sighted.
“...Call them RINOs if you like for that, its just reality...”
I wouldn’t call them RINOs. But I can’t see equating that with mass murderers of innocent civilians like Hitler, Stalin and Pol-Pot.
When you return people to the battlefield - especially high-rank commanders like O just did - there should be no surprise that they will re-commence offensive action against us.
But they can’t do that if they’re dead.
Japan, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Candyland, Funkytown.
This is all worthless conjecture. Until THIS country is cleaned up, the rest is just babble.
Change begins at home and change at home is WAAAAAYYYYYY past it’s due date. Either split into two countries, one “red”, one “blue” peacefully or exterminate the enemy under the pretense of keeping a unified nation.
Until one or the other is done, the current “Amerika” ain’t doing sh*t.
Signing off from this thread.
“...It sounded like you were saying that our US soldiers should have executed the ones who surrendered w (hands up no weapons),...”
No, I said If you catch a guy planting IEDs, sniping at our guys, actively engaged in combat against our people, he should not be treated to a taxpayer-funded vacation at Club Gitmo. You waste him on the spot.
But - It DID happen in WWI and WWII as well. German machine gunners in BOTH wars were notorious for firing their weapon until it ran dry, killing our guys by the score, then throwing up their hands and yelling “KAMERADE!!!”. They were killed on the spot. Hell, I have a book about the PA 28th Infantry Division written in 1919 about combat in the Argonne, by soldiers who were there, and it says it was commonplace to just shoot those gunners outright, surrendering or not.
And in the Pacific in WWII, the Marines - my uncles included - didn’t try to take them prisoner unless they were ordered to for intelligence purposes. They KNEW that Bushido demanded that the Japanese kill himself rather than surrender. So they didn’t bother with formalities. That guy’s job was to kill as many Americans as he could, then die gloriously for Dai Nippon and the Emperor...
It’s difficult to say what one should or shouldn’t do, when we weren’t there. We can only speculate how we would react.
But as a personal policy... for me, it would matter a GREAT deal to me that my buddies and I would come home alive, rather than worrying about the other guy.
If his hands are in the air, and he so much as BLINKS the wrong way, well... too bad. Would you take the chance that he DOESN’T have a suicide belt on, or a grenade taped to his stomach under the shirt?
Patton had it right. Make the other dumb bastard die for his country, or ideology, or whatever.
Your proposal would accomplish a number of things.
1. You would kill all the enemy in that one city.
That’s the good part.
Here’s the bad part.
1. You would also kill the 90% plus of the population that wasn’t evil incarnate
2. You would only anger the rest of the population across the Middle-East
3. You would not intimidate them
4. There would be no surrender like Japan
5. The international community would trash the United States, even our friends would
6. The United States would be seen as a pariah as bad as the terrorists
7. Any future nuke set of on U. S. grounds would be seen as merely pay-back, not the crime that it was
8. Other nations would be free to use nukes if they felt like it
There’s no way I’m going to agree with you on this.
This is not a situation that could reap results like it did in Japan. It would only make things worse, like a thousand times worse.
When I said quit playing by humane rules, I was thinking if you’ve caught a guy red-handed with IEDs or sniping, take a moment to pause and kill the bastard.
I don’t want to see innocents killed. I just mean don’t feel obligated to treat terrorists by the rules of combat. They don’t operate by them.
The real world is this. We either send in our troops to face those terrorists on foreign soil, or we bring our troops here to fight them on our soil.
It’s your choice.
Do you want armed soldiers on our street corners? Do you want massive numbers of troops around on our city streets every single day?
Do you want combat operations taking place downtown Anytown, U. S. A.?
I sure as hell don’t. Quit carping about our troops being exposed to harm. That why they’re troops. Either they are exposed to harm or our populace here at home is, and the troops too as they fight a much harder batter on our own soil.
As for it being a NAZI action when we catch a guy planting an IED, and executing him, you’re sadly mistaken. As for catching a sniper and executing him, you’re sadly mistaken. As for catching a guy red handed who has done terrorist activity, you’re sadly mistaken.
These terrorists do not operate by internationally recognized rules of combat. We are not NAZIs if we execute them for their activity.
When you toss out the NAZI slander without justification, you sell NAZIism for less than it truly was. Don’t do that. Surely you must be able to see the difference between killing a terrorist caught red-handed, and rounding up and killing millions of Jews. Right?
I agree with you. I will admit to never reading exactly all the things that took place on Iwo Jima. My impression was that the Japanese there were killed under combat situations. I’m not aware of mass executions.
I don’t think you’re attempting to say mass executions were reasoned there.
With this in mind, I agree with your take on killing terrorists caught red-handed.
1. They aren’t playing by internationally recognized rules of engagement
2. It’s okay to kill someone who has proven themselves to be a terrorist
3. Do people realize that IEDs can’t tell if it’s a U. S. troop vehicle or a civilian vehicle?
Kill such people on the spot. Leave them there for their buddies to come scoop up.
SOL, you and I disagree from time to time, but I value your participation on the forum.
Catching a terrorist planting an IED on a road and executing him, is not Hitleristic, Stalinistic, or like the actions of Pol-Pot.
Please do not act as if these despicable men from history were only guilty of executing people who deserved to be executed.
Those five guys should have been executed. I agree whole-heartedly.
When you take actions like this, you become the enemy.
If someone has committed a crime, you bust them and make them pay. You can't simply round up and eliminate your enemies.
Perhaps I'm reading more into what you stated here. If so then it wasn't intentional.
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