Skip to comments.Did Saddam Have WMDs After All: ISIS Overruns Iraq Chemical Weapons 'Mega-Facility'
Posted on 06/19/2014 6:02:11 PM PDT by Nachum
With all eyes firmly focused on what really matters (the oil refineries), The Telegraph reports that ISIS has over-run a Saddam Hussein-era chemical weapons (CW) complex. The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin. The US state department is 'concerned' but "do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value." However, as a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment warned, "we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." This is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report; but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?
As The Telegraph reports, the jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday...
Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.
The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddams industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.
During its peak in the late 1980s to early 1990s, Iraq produced bunkers full of chemical munitions.
A CIA report on the facility said that 150 tons of mustard were produced each year at the peak from 1983 and pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984.
Its most recent description of al-Muthanna in 2007 paints a disturbing picture of chemicals strewn throughout the area.
Two wars, sanctions and UN oversight reduced Iraqis premier production facility to a stockpile of old damaged and contaminated chemical munitions (sealed in bunkers), a wasteland full
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Impossible. Everyone knows that Saddam had no WMD’s. /sarc
no military value? perhaps no conventional value but, for a terror - let me say that word again: TERROR - organization, I’d say this is the second time they stuck gold.
This issue is up next on Megyn Kelly.
Can’t be true, the left has been saying for 10+ years Saddam had NO chemical weapons..so how can this be true..could it be..the left lied
Saddam didn’t have wmd’s because the liberals said so. Whatever they say, over and over, becomes the truth because in postmodern times, the truth is only what you can convince others it is, nothing more.
Oh yeah, she just tried to sand bag Dick Cheney on Iraq last night.
Lost a lot of respect for her.
Apparently the facility contains VX
This nerve agent was classified as a WMD in 1991
Quick! Somebody had better alert Megyn Kelly!
Bear + woods.
An editor at a paper I used to work at was convinced that Bush was Satan. One of the soldiers I met back then had returned from the sandbox and had handled the non existent WMDs as he was part of a chem weapons detail.
That editor told me that the soldier was lying for attention. These people may as well live in Equestria because the real world is too much for them to bear.
Waiting for confirmation from ABC, CBS, & NBC.........
If there are any WMD's in Iraq that ISIS now has hold of, then I'm sorry, but this is truly Bush's fault.
Or the fault of one of the contractors who got paid to eliminate the WMD's, but failed to do so.
The scoop is that the facility was supposedly sealed and decommissioned in the 90s. What’s in there hasn’t been touched since. Still, interesting.
I lost a wallet once in AZ. Round up 200000 of your friends and go find it.
No problem right?
That was my question when I heard this news. If such a facility existed, why didn't we bulldoze it?
then it puts even more of a lie to the MSM meme.
I think she was just being a good interviewer by throwing him some fastballs, which he nonetheless hit out of the park.
I thought Dick did well enough in the interview. He would have been a great president. Pity he wasn’t up to the task physically. Regardless I would vote for him in a microsecond today.
That is also how the UN allows other tyrants to have everything and not hold them accountable for their weapons.
True story folks. I remember rolling my eyes reading this about 5-6 or six years into the war.
Even so, we also had access to countless individuals, many of whom would have worked at or near one of the WMD facilities.
Enhanced interrogation techniques were no doubt used on many of these folks so that the military wouldn't have to scour every inch of the desert in order to find what was there.
saddam used pretty much all of his chemical weapons on the kurds and if he had any left he would have used them in the Iraq war on american troops, hell had he saved some of that vx instead of using it on the kurds he could have inflected serious casualties on usa army
One of my favorite responses to the leftist creepozoids is to show the pictures of the buried-in-the-sand jets under the Iraqi desert. If they could hide the jets, they could hide anything.
Until now. Because there will be somebody stupid enough to suit up and go in there for Allah and see if there's something he can drag out. For rational people it would be easier to manufacture Sarin for themselves. These guys aren't rational people.
the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad....
saddam used pretty much all of the vx gas he had in the Halabja chemical attack
Im also not saying that terrorist groups cant acquire wmds, hell Aum Shinrikyo in Japan managed to make there own sarin which they used on tokyo subway trains
First, they couldn’t find all the WMDs hidden if they tried. That is my point.
Second, that place was known and we were lied to. By everyone. It was there in a time that Bush said it was to begin with in his run up, then refused to admit it was there once the Dems pressured him via the MSM to be a fall guy.
Chemical weapons are what they are. There is so many different types. They are very elusive, workied around them in the early 80’s. doesn’t take much to do alot of damage.
From NBC Defense School almost 40 years ago, I learned that VX (nerve agent) is some BAD, BAD stuff. And just a small amount in liquid form when dispersed as a gas goes a long, long way. Somehow I doubt that its lethality has lessened with age.
I doubt it, the American military was trained for and prepared to fight an NBC war against the Soviets, Saddam wouldn't have done much damage to us.
As it was, we expected it and were ready for it.
For terrorists, dirty bombs and military level chemicals don’t have to be very effective, just using them would set the modern media into a panic frenzy, if they use them here.
Yep. Now, that's not to say that wearing those suits in Iraq in late spring wasn't a miserable experience...
So, during the years that we “were in control of” Iraq, why were these depots full of nerve gas and toxins not disposed of?
Why, when we had boots on the ground, didn't we secure this facility?
And lets bear in mind, for all FOX’s covering fire of “well these people are not smart enough to be able to move it safely”. Baghdadi has full cooperation with the Baathists in exile, many of them high rankers from Saddam’s military including Izzat al-Douri, the ‘king of clubs’. If anyone can get that stuff moved, its the guys who once created it and used it.
Well, duuuuuuuuh! Ya think?
I’d assume there wasn’t a lot of incentive to do so, at least not right away. Getting rid of this stuff (especially if it has degraded and leaked) is a dangerous and expensive undertaking. With the new government in place, and Bush probably not expecting Obama to pull out all the troops, there was no urgency to pay attention to a decommissioned chemical plant from the 90s, much less spend American money to clean it up.
It must have been horrible, having never worn it for more than part of a day seeing them living in that gear really bothered me, in most cases I questioned the wisdom of that.
So far I haven’t seen analysis of the cost versus the gain, of forcing the GIs to stay at that level.
The CIA learned that you cannot just blow up WMD facilities. That is what the US did during the 30 day air campaign prior to Desert Storm. And the CIA discovered it created local environmental catastrophes and killed a lot of people near the facilities. So the ole WMD components have to be disposed of properly. Not just blown up. And what was probably left was held in containers that leaked and could not be safely transported. Leaking containers holding WMD are a problem even here in the US. Research Hanford and WIPP. The old Iraqi facilities needed to be guarded and the public kept away.
A hap, hap, happy overview of good ole VX. I couldn’t find the Nic Cage movie embellishment from The Rock.
ISIS will use POW's to go get the stuff and test it to see if it kills.
If they broke into the facility, they did it for a reason. They seem to have a lot of The March all preplanned out. From what I have read, its been planned out for years.
What do you think they are shipping out of Syria right now, hmmm???
Thats what it sounds like. They’ve chosen their targets carefully, and the quick surrender of the Iraqi forces in Mosul wasn’t in the heat of the moment. The officers were bribed
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Anything they can to help the caliphate grow actually. Which is where its all going these days.