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Did Saddam Have WMDs After All: ISIS Overruns Iraq Chemical Weapons 'Mega-Facility'
zero hedge ^ | 6/19/14 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 06/19/2014 6:02:11 PM PDT by Nachum

With all eyes firmly focused on what really matters (the oil refineries), The Telegraph reports that ISIS has over-run a Saddam Hussein-era chemical weapons (CW) complex. The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin. The US state department is 'concerned' but "do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value." However, as a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment warned, "we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." This is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report; but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?

As The Telegraph reports, the jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday...

Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.

The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.

During its peak in the late 1980s to early 1990s, Iraq produced bunkers full of chemical munitions.

A CIA report on the facility said that 150 tons of mustard were produced each year at the peak from 1983 and pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984.

Its most recent description of al-Muthanna in 2007 paints a disturbing picture of chemicals strewn throughout the area.

“Two wars, sanctions and UN oversight reduced Iraqi’s premier production facility to a stockpile of old damaged and contaminated chemical munitions (sealed in bunkers), a wasteland full

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1 posted on 06/19/2014 6:02:11 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Bm


2 posted on 06/19/2014 6:03:26 PM PDT by Vision (Living in beauty)
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To: Nachum

There is a word...maybe two I am looking for here...Starts with an N, second ends with a t...


3 posted on 06/19/2014 6:04:17 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Nachum

Impossible. Everyone knows that Saddam had no WMD’s. /sarc


4 posted on 06/19/2014 6:07:00 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Nachum

no military value? perhaps no conventional value but, for a terror - let me say that word again: TERROR - organization, I’d say this is the second time they stuck gold.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 6:08:02 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Nachum

This issue is up next on Megyn Kelly.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 6:10:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Nachum

Can’t be true, the left has been saying for 10+ years Saddam had NO chemical weapons..so how can this be true..could it be..the left lied


7 posted on 06/19/2014 6:11:06 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Nachum

Saddam didn’t have wmd’s because the liberals said so. Whatever they say, over and over, becomes the truth because in postmodern times, the truth is only what you can convince others it is, nothing more.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 6:11:14 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: cripplecreek

Megan Kelly?

Oh yeah, she just tried to sand bag Dick Cheney on Iraq last night.

Lost a lot of respect for her.


9 posted on 06/19/2014 6:11:31 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Apparently the facility contains VX

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_%28nerve_agent%29

This nerve agent was classified as a WMD in 1991


10 posted on 06/19/2014 6:12:03 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Nachum

Quick! Somebody had better alert Megyn Kelly!


11 posted on 06/19/2014 6:12:15 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Nachum

Bear + woods.


12 posted on 06/19/2014 6:12:55 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: jdsteel

An editor at a paper I used to work at was convinced that Bush was Satan. One of the soldiers I met back then had returned from the sandbox and had handled the non existent WMDs as he was part of a chem weapons detail.

That editor told me that the soldier was lying for attention. These people may as well live in Equestria because the real world is too much for them to bear.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 6:13:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Nachum

Waiting for confirmation from ABC, CBS, & NBC.........


14 posted on 06/19/2014 6:14:31 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Nachum
The US military was there for years. They had access at one time or another to every square inch of Iraq. They told us that they were looking thoroughly for WMD's and that when they found them they destroyed them.

If there are any WMD's in Iraq that ISIS now has hold of, then I'm sorry, but this is truly Bush's fault.

Or the fault of one of the contractors who got paid to eliminate the WMD's, but failed to do so.

15 posted on 06/19/2014 6:14:39 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The scoop is that the facility was supposedly sealed and decommissioned in the 90s. What’s in there hasn’t been touched since. Still, interesting.


16 posted on 06/19/2014 6:14:57 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I lost a wallet once in AZ. Round up 200000 of your friends and go find it.

No problem right?


17 posted on 06/19/2014 6:16:21 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
The US military was there for years. They had access at one time or another to every square inch of Iraq. They told us that they were looking thoroughly for WMD's and that when they found them they destroyed them.

That was my question when I heard this news. If such a facility existed, why didn't we bulldoze it?

18 posted on 06/19/2014 6:17:53 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Viennacon

then it puts even more of a lie to the MSM meme.


19 posted on 06/19/2014 6:18:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Nachum
Oh yeah, she just tried to sand bag Dick Cheney on Iraq last night.

I think she was just being a good interviewer by throwing him some fastballs, which he nonetheless hit out of the park.

20 posted on 06/19/2014 6:21:02 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Nachum

I thought Dick did well enough in the interview. He would have been a great president. Pity he wasn’t up to the task physically. Regardless I would vote for him in a microsecond today.


21 posted on 06/19/2014 6:23:36 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nachum
I remember what went down exactly. The USA found hundreds of tons of chemical WMDs, but the UN said we could NOT call that finding WMDs because all of the chemicals were in two separate drums and you had to mix two drums to have the deadly chemical. Because they were not premixed in the drums the UN felt those could not be called chemical WMDs.

That is also how the UN allows other tyrants to have everything and not hold them accountable for their weapons.

True story folks. I remember rolling my eyes reading this about 5-6 or six years into the war.

22 posted on 06/19/2014 6:24:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
We're not talking wallets. What was mentioned in the article was a "facility".

Even so, we also had access to countless individuals, many of whom would have worked at or near one of the WMD facilities.

Enhanced interrogation techniques were no doubt used on many of these folks so that the military wouldn't have to scour every inch of the desert in order to find what was there.

23 posted on 06/19/2014 6:25:47 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Fiji Hill
fastballs are questions, the cow made accusations...
24 posted on 06/19/2014 6:26:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: jdsteel

saddam used pretty much all of his chemical weapons on the kurds and if he had any left he would have used them in the Iraq war on american troops, hell had he saved some of that vx instead of using it on the kurds he could have inflected serious casualties on usa army


25 posted on 06/19/2014 6:26:44 PM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: Nachum

One of my favorite responses to the leftist creepozoids is to show the pictures of the buried-in-the-sand jets under the Iraqi desert. If they could hide the jets, they could hide anything.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp


26 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:08 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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To: Nachum
There really isn't any way to determine if the stuff is usable or not without trying. It's certainly dangerous. Destroying the very modest stocks of VX in the U.S. took years and there were accidents even with what were considered adequate safety precautions. This place is far worse. Leaking containers, half-filled munitions - the reason it hasn't been destroyed is that the project would be more difficult, dangerous, and expensive than simply leaving it there.

Until now. Because there will be somebody stupid enough to suit up and go in there for Allah and see if there's something he can drag out. For rational people it would be easier to manufacture Sarin for themselves. These guys aren't rational people.

27 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:10 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Nachum
The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad...

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the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad....

Huh?

28 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:49 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Viennacon

saddam used pretty much all of the vx gas he had in the Halabja chemical attack


29 posted on 06/19/2014 6:28:12 PM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: The Right wing Infidel

Im also not saying that terrorist groups cant acquire wmds, hell Aum Shinrikyo in Japan managed to make there own sarin which they used on tokyo subway trains


30 posted on 06/19/2014 6:31:00 PM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

First, they couldn’t find all the WMDs hidden if they tried. That is my point.

Second, that place was known and we were lied to. By everyone. It was there in a time that Bush said it was to begin with in his run up, then refused to admit it was there once the Dems pressured him via the MSM to be a fall guy.


31 posted on 06/19/2014 6:31:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Nachum

Chemical weapons are what they are. There is so many different types. They are very elusive, workied around them in the early 80’s. doesn’t take much to do alot of damage.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 6:33:28 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Viennacon
Apparently the facility contains VX

From NBC Defense School almost 40 years ago, I learned that VX (nerve agent) is some BAD, BAD stuff. And just a small amount in liquid form when dispersed as a gas goes a long, long way. Somehow I doubt that its lethality has lessened with age.

33 posted on 06/19/2014 6:42:55 PM PDT by Perseverando (Obamanation: It's ALL about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: The Right wing Infidel
instead of using it on the kurds he could have inflected serious casualties on usa army

I doubt it, the American military was trained for and prepared to fight an NBC war against the Soviets, Saddam wouldn't have done much damage to us.

As it was, we expected it and were ready for it.

34 posted on 06/19/2014 6:44:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Nachum

For terrorists, dirty bombs and military level chemicals don’t have to be very effective, just using them would set the modern media into a panic frenzy, if they use them here.


35 posted on 06/19/2014 6:46:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12
As it was, we expected it and were ready for it.

Yep. Now, that's not to say that wearing those suits in Iraq in late spring wasn't a miserable experience...

36 posted on 06/19/2014 6:47:22 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Viennacon; SunkenCiv; Nachum; narses; neverdem

So, during the years that we “were in control of” Iraq, why were these depots full of nerve gas and toxins not disposed of?


37 posted on 06/19/2014 6:47:25 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: jdsteel
Impossible. Everyone knows that Saddam had no WMD’s. /sarc

Why, when we had boots on the ground, didn't we secure this facility?

38 posted on 06/19/2014 6:48:37 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Perseverando

And lets bear in mind, for all FOX’s covering fire of “well these people are not smart enough to be able to move it safely”. Baghdadi has full cooperation with the Baathists in exile, many of them high rankers from Saddam’s military including Izzat al-Douri, the ‘king of clubs’. If anyone can get that stuff moved, its the guys who once created it and used it.


39 posted on 06/19/2014 6:48:53 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Nachum

Well, duuuuuuuuh! Ya think?


40 posted on 06/19/2014 6:49:48 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I’d assume there wasn’t a lot of incentive to do so, at least not right away. Getting rid of this stuff (especially if it has degraded and leaked) is a dangerous and expensive undertaking. With the new government in place, and Bush probably not expecting Obama to pull out all the troops, there was no urgency to pay attention to a decommissioned chemical plant from the 90s, much less spend American money to clean it up.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 6:50:59 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Billthedrill

It must have been horrible, having never worn it for more than part of a day seeing them living in that gear really bothered me, in most cases I questioned the wisdom of that.

So far I haven’t seen analysis of the cost versus the gain, of forcing the GIs to stay at that level.


42 posted on 06/19/2014 6:51:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The CIA learned that you cannot just blow up WMD facilities. That is what the US did during the 30 day air campaign prior to Desert Storm. And the CIA discovered it created local environmental catastrophes and killed a lot of people near the facilities. So the ole WMD components have to be disposed of properly. Not just blown up. And what was probably left was held in containers that leaked and could not be safely transported. Leaking containers holding WMD are a problem even here in the US. Research Hanford and WIPP. The old Iraqi facilities needed to be guarded and the public kept away.


43 posted on 06/19/2014 6:53:38 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Perseverando

A hap, hap, happy overview of good ole VX. I couldn’t find the Nic Cage movie embellishment from The Rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jBU-8Sndj4


44 posted on 06/19/2014 6:53:53 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.q)
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To: Billthedrill
For rational people it would be easier to manufacture Sarin for themselves. These guys aren't rational people.

ISIS will use POW's to go get the stuff and test it to see if it kills.

45 posted on 06/19/2014 6:57:13 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Viennacon
If anyone can get that stuff moved, its the guys who once created it and used it.

If they broke into the facility, they did it for a reason. They seem to have a lot of The March all preplanned out. From what I have read, its been planned out for years.

46 posted on 06/19/2014 6:59:38 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; Nachum

What do you think they are shipping out of Syria right now, hmmm???


47 posted on 06/19/2014 7:01:58 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: justa-hairyape

Thats what it sounds like. They’ve chosen their targets carefully, and the quick surrender of the Iraqi forces in Mosul wasn’t in the heat of the moment. The officers were bribed


48 posted on 06/19/2014 7:02:41 PM PDT by Viennacon
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49 posted on 06/19/2014 7:03:33 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: danamco

Anything they can to help the caliphate grow actually. Which is where its all going these days.


50 posted on 06/19/2014 7:03:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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