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Will ISIS Brutality Backfire?
CNN ^

Posted on 06/20/2014 2:30:31 AM PDT by nickcarraway

They want all of us to cringe -- and they have succeeded. The Islamic radicals suddenly barreling across Iraq want to make sure people are horrified at their deeds.

Leaders of the organization that calls itself ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, have launched a sophisticated propaganda campaign that turns the most basic principles of public relations on their head. No PR executive would advise a client to shout to the world details of his most gruesome acts and the extent of his cruelty, but that is precisely what ISIS is doing, and doing so very deliberately.

The images of mass executions, of men digging their own graves before being shot in the back of the head, are splashed on the world's newspapers, television news and social media.

And that's exactly what ISIS wants. It is an important strategic tool that's already paying off in the battlefield. But it also points to a weakness that brings into question the long-term viability of ISIS's territorial gains.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqcrisis; isis; terrorism

1 posted on 06/20/2014 2:30:31 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Is ice cream a type of motor oil?


2 posted on 06/20/2014 2:32:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million for ANY 2016 pro-2nd Amendment candidate.)
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To: nickcarraway

the ISIS PR campaign appears to be working as a recruiting tool for an army of sociopaths

heck what red blooded teenage muslim wouldn’t dream about heading to Iraq and Syria to slay unbelievers? It’s like violent video games, come to life.

the leadership is already bragging about training these guys to kill and sending them back to the UK and America to continue the game


3 posted on 06/20/2014 2:36:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: nickcarraway
From the Assyrians, to the Huns, to the Mongols, to the Nazis -- humans have been (successfully) building empires on a foundation of barbaric cruelty for a long, long time.

It works.

People become a afraid, they become cowed, they submit to the rule of cruel masters.

The only time this fails to work (such as with the Nazis) is if a more powerful enemy appears and uses similar tactics to forcibly end the barbaric empire. We bombed the heck out of Dresden and other cities. We accepted the loss of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers. We fought total war. And that's how the cruel Nazi empire was ended.

Barring that kind of action, I think the cruelty of ISIS is most likely a recipe for success.

4 posted on 06/20/2014 2:37:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: nickcarraway

Big deal. This not not brutality.
We are adopting this in America."



5 posted on 06/20/2014 2:40:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: nickcarraway

For evil to triumph requires that good men do nothing. Well there are no good men in power right now so good men will, in fact, do nothing. Even the most hardcore interventionist would hesitate if President Obama was the one to do the intervening. What has he successfully carried off, beyond creating chaos on our borders and arming the Mexican drug cartels? Yes, he has fundamentally transformed the United States. I would not risk one American life under the for-Allah’s-sake-don’t-hurt-a-Muslim rules of engagement President Obama imposes on our troops.

This neighborhood should be left to its own devices until we have good men back in power. By then, of course, it may be too late.


6 posted on 06/20/2014 2:43:09 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: nickcarraway
Will ISIS islam brutality backfire?

It hasn't yet.

7 posted on 06/20/2014 2:53:21 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: ClearCase_guy

They’ll alienate the Sunnis. The Sunnis will turn against them. They’ll be destroyed -with our support. This happened to Al Qaeda in Iraq in 2009. It’ll happen to ISIS too, sooner rather than later.


8 posted on 06/20/2014 3:03:10 AM PDT by Justa
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To: nickcarraway

Not only will it not backfire, but with our current wishy-washy president we’ll be seeing ISIS soon in New York, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago and Los Angeles.


9 posted on 06/20/2014 3:17:25 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: ClearCase_guy

The Klown claims there “is no military solution”. ISIS doesn’t seem to agree.


10 posted on 06/20/2014 3:23:24 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: nickcarraway
Leaders of the organization that calls itself ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, have launched a sophisticated propaganda campaign that turns the most basic principles of public relations on their head. No PR executive would advise a client to shout to the world details of his most gruesome acts and the extent of his cruelty, but that is precisely what ISIS is doing, and doing so very deliberately.


I guess that depends upon what you are marketing.

ISIS is marketing the conquest of foreign lands and the subjugation of the people in those countries.

The use of terror and atrocities to accomplish these goals is as old as recorded history and it is a very effective tactic.

American elites just can't seem to get a handle on this whole terror thing because it cuts into their carefully nurtured and dearly held sheltered and idealistic world view .

Anyone who has read Gibbon's Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire will recognize the dynamic.

Unfortunately, not too many have read Gibbon's masterpiece, if for no other reason than fewer and fewer these days are educated well enough to be able to read it - another modern dynamic that was discussed by Gibbons.

Nu Skewel just does not cut it when trying to grasp old school concepts proven and validated by the (very) hard lessons of past history

11 posted on 06/20/2014 3:25:13 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: nickcarraway

I am amused by the naiveté of the question being asked.

Somebody this past week was discussing something called some sort of bias, that allow the person to deny the reality in front of them or even happening to them!

The American liberal media cannot grasp the brutality of the middle east and for a large part neither can our current leaders. This bias alone is deadly to our safety and security. The naiveté of the question asked by CNN is even more deadly, as it reveals a part of the American soft underbelly that belies our own safety.

I’ve been hearing there is a manual of some sort floating around Iraq that details ISIS activity. Some 400 pages of successes, plans, and goals with an ARMY of 15,000 strong and growing. No, these are not terrorists in Iraq, this is some sort of an army that grows stronger everyday. An army without a country, but soon Iraq will be their country and the harlot will be reinstalled in Babylon.

Abu Bakr was the closest friend and companion of Muhammad and the first Muslim caliph.

“The face of a balding, middle-aged man stares unsmilingly into the camera. He is dressed in a suit and tie and could pass for a midlevel bureaucrat.

But the photograph is that of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi,” http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/world/meast/who-is-the-isis/index.html

The brutality is only just beginning...


12 posted on 06/20/2014 4:49:42 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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ISIS should scare the living daylights out of the west....they have an incredible marketing team, they are brutal and they have millions of depressed and angered youth at their disposal.

They also must of taken a few courses at their local community college on Nation Building for at least in the short term even Indian Nurses in Mosul said they were staying because it really is better conditions than what was there before.

These people are trouble...not to mention they believe their actions are not only Allah worthy but end of times Allah worthy....meaning they fear absolutely nothing. The same nurses I spoke of...yeah the only thing they did not like of ISIS was that all of them were to arrogant.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 4:54:46 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Well done and well written Clear Case.
14 posted on 06/20/2014 5:19:36 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Gen.Blather

——The neighborhood-——

The territory being conquered is the Tigris Euphrates valley....... the cradle of civilization, the fertile crescent.

Others in the neighborhood will temper and even control the movement once Iraq is no more. Others being the moderate Arabs and Turkey

Evidence: Egypt where the radicals are dead or in prison


15 posted on 06/20/2014 5:26:08 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: silverleaf

And America will be receiving them with open arms when they get back, no questions asked.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 5:32:25 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Justa
They’ll alienate the Sunnis. The Sunnis will turn against them. They’ll be destroyed -with our support. This happened to Al Qaeda in Iraq in 2009. It’ll happen to ISIS too, sooner rather than later.

Saddam was a Sunni, who ruled over the Shiite majority of Iraq though terror. During Saddam's reign the Sunnis were in control.

The main target of ISIS terror is the Shiite population of Iraq. They aim to use the kind of terror that Saddam used.

17 posted on 06/20/2014 5:37:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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“The main target of ISIS terror is the Shiite population of Iraq. They aim to use the kind of terror that Saddam used.”

I know all this. I spent a year in the Shia parts of Iraq, then two in the Sunni areas.

The (Sunni) ISIS will alienate the Sunni tribes, people and leaders. The tribes will unite against them. ISIS will be destroyed and the US will help them -just as we did in 2009.


18 posted on 06/20/2014 5:43:15 AM PDT by Justa
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To: nickcarraway

obama and the democrats are fine with it. They only get upset when Americans refuse to sell their land to say Harry Reid backers for some Chinese solar project. THEN they send in the troops!


19 posted on 06/20/2014 9:35:52 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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