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George F. Will: Stopping a lawless president
Washington Post ^ | June 20, 2014 | George Will

Posted on 06/21/2014 6:13:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Starboard; All

“agenda” in the conventional sense used to be something you could quantify...

These days it is more accurate to state that these events fit into a pre-ordained “narrative” that passes for news and information...

The progressive “narrative” created and propagandized on every conceivable issue, or incident, in the modern 24 hour news cycle spotlight, has a pre-ordained social and political outcome...

The “narrative” supports the “agenda”...And the agenda is no big secret anymore...

Pick an issue...

Tea Party...(narrative) Racist, political opposition, right-wing terrorist, gridlock, shutdown, republican party split...

shooting incidents...gun control, ammo restrictions, assault rifle bans, gun buy backs, NRA terrorists, right-wing terrorist, candle light vigils, sadness, repeal he second amendment...

war in Iraq/Afghanistan...Bush’s fault...

Abortion...women’s rights, war on women, right wing terrorist...

I could go on and on, like you, and many others on issues...

Our arguments and solutions fall upon deaf ears...

So, what’s next???

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not getting on your case at all...I’m just pushing the envelope back a little further...


81 posted on 06/21/2014 8:20:15 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Will work for a new Kidney...)
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To: butterdezillion
From the U.S. Constitution, Article 2 Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

82 posted on 06/21/2014 8:21:11 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Alberta's Child

Can you give me the short version?

With Nazi Germany, it took a world war to get rid of a lawless thug regime. And that was only after he invaded the sovereignty of other nations, because his own nation gave him a signed blank check and he first made laws that legalized his crimes before he did them. Sounds really familiar about now.

Maybe Egypt is what will save America, if she’s going to be saved. The Egyptians had the sense to see an enemy combatant in their place of leadership and throw out the bum and put him on trial.


83 posted on 06/21/2014 8:22:48 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: savedbygrace
Your link to Mark Twain's review of Cooper's Deerslayer is priceless. Makes me wonder if future "dumbed down" generations will be taught Dave Barry?
84 posted on 06/21/2014 8:26:18 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: butterdezillion
The short version is that it's not going to get fixed until it falls apart completely.

It's for the Egyptians to overthrow their government periodically because there are no Social Security checks to get in the way. The citizens of this country have effectively been neutered by the creature comforts bestowed upon them by their own masters. Otto von Bismarck laid out the road map for this back in the 1870s in Germany.

My advice is to load up on popcorn and enjoy the show.

85 posted on 06/21/2014 8:30:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Will is Obama’s biggest cheerleader when it comes to law b remaking amnesty and uninformed immigration laws.

When Will gets his head on straight maybe we might start listening to him.

Meanwhile, maybe Will can take in some of those border crashing alien children into his $2 million home in the illegal alien free Chevy Chase neighborhood he lives in, free from the mess he so lovingly supports.


86 posted on 06/21/2014 8:30:55 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Cboldt
And the president can just as well figure ways to duck around court orders, as he finds ways to duck around statutes.

However, if he were to do so, then impeachment would come into play -- with undeniable justification.

87 posted on 06/21/2014 8:31:16 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Mercat
For the judiciary, it would be dereliction of the duty to protect the government’s constitutional structure. It would be perverse for courts to adhere to a doctrine of congressional standing so strict that it precludes judicial defense of the separation of powers.

George Will needs to understand: Obama is - metaphorically - a "black street gang member" dressed in an expensive suit.

Obama and his IRS, Homeland, and EPA fellow gang members show no respect for the law. Obama's actions against our systems of democracy are deliberate... and criminal. He's a disgrace.

88 posted on 06/21/2014 8:33:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hey IRS - those receipts you wanted? The dog ate 'em.)
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To: Mercat

George Will has been more GOPe than conservative in recent years but he’s right on the money with this piece.


89 posted on 06/21/2014 8:35:24 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: savedbygrace
Will writes as though many years ago he purchased a large number of 4+ syllable words,

That's he reason I enjoy reading Will. It's fun to bump into a word one hasn't used or hasn't read for a couple of years. And it's a refreshing change from the Key of C drivel we're exposed to from the journalists. The misuse of words is ubiquitous, not to mention the misspellings and typos.

I do enjoy Mark Twain as well, even if he had an penchant for prepubescent girls.

90 posted on 06/21/2014 8:37:21 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Alberta's Child

I agree. Yet how is a soldier able to not be at the mercy of the government? A sailor deployed in the Pacific was told by a judge that he will lose his daughter and/or be arrested for child abandonment if he doesn’t appear at a hearing in Michigan in 2 days. There is no way to get him there by then. He was given custody of his daughter after Child Protective Services took the child away from the mother for child abuse. He was on deployment so his current wife is taking care of the daughter, trying to hold everything together. And now he’s likely to be thrown in jail because the military can’t or won’t jump however high this hot-shot judge in Michigan says they have to jump. Why having his wife care for the daughter is any different than a parent putting a child in daycare all day, I don’t know. But how was this guy supposed to anticipate this mess when he signed up for the military?

I was listening to my Mom and Dad describing the Depression in their farming community. People literally survived off of the eggs and milk they could sell in exchange for other staples. And it was enough. Neighbors helped each other out. They knew who the drunks were and helped take care of the kids and missus, knowing they had no provider.

Right now property taxes alone would destroy every one of those families that pulled together then.

We’re in a huge mess. It’s taken a lot of years to get America this vulnerable. We all should have seen it coming yet here we are.

What’s the reset button?


91 posted on 06/21/2014 8:37:24 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: originalbuckeye
"Is there any Dem with a conscience in this Admin?"

Since the whole basis of 'Demism' is a rejection of morals and the elevation of emotionalism, the question is irrelevant.

92 posted on 06/21/2014 8:41:29 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Gaffer

well said


93 posted on 06/21/2014 8:42:22 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: okie01

The lawless thugs in Congress can deny ANY justification. I managed to watch about 3 minutes of the IRS hearing yesterday before having to shut it off because it so infuriated me.

Some of the people in Congress should be put in a zoo so people could watch how animals behave. They have devolved beyond the point where they can/will recognize even BLATANT justification.

There’s no longer any such thing as “undeniable”. The concept doesn’t exist any more, because we’ve become a miserable post-modern mess where people make up their own realities every day as if truth doesn’t exist.


94 posted on 06/21/2014 8:44:50 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion
Yet how is a soldier able to not be at the mercy of the government?

That's an easy one. You don't enlist in the armed forces for a nation whose government sends you halfway around the world where the U.S. has no sovereignty. Some of the best military units in the history of this country were the ones who answered to a local militia leader instead of a Federal government in Washington. I'll include the Green Mountain Boys of Vermont, Daniel Morgan's Virginia riflemen, the militia of Francis "the Swamp Fox" Morgan, and the Texas Rangers in that group. One of the defining characteristics of these groups is that most of them didn't give a damn who the colonial governor, the president, or the king was -- because they didn't answer to any of them.

This country was built by people who overthrew their own government when things got out of hand. Everything you've posted here is an inconsequential sob-story in comparison to that.

95 posted on 06/21/2014 8:45:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"And doing so would establish Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) as the legislature’s vindicator"

The only thing he should be established for is the position of ex-Speaker of the House.

96 posted on 06/21/2014 8:45:32 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: centurion316

FDR was finally brought to heel by the conservative southern Democrats whose support he needed during WWII. Thomas Fleming describes some of this in his ‘The New Dealer’s War’.


97 posted on 06/21/2014 8:50:30 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Bratch

Thank you.

Would illegally adopting a child be impeachment material? Or changing one’s decision because they were threatened with exposure of illegally adopting a child?

How about Kagan falsifying information in previous judicial actions for Bill Clinton (that was her who did that, wasn’t it?)? I think that was in Stenberg v Carhart, where Kagan changed what the AMA said and submitted it to the judge. Am I remembering that right?

But I keep forgetting: conviction will never happen because it’s all just politics and DC is all about politicians covering other politician’s behinds. As long as the people are the ones who get the shaft, everybody goes along and gets along...


98 posted on 06/21/2014 8:56:46 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: Alberta's Child

If people didn’t sign up for the US military they would be drafted. That’s how my Dad ended up on the front lines of Korea.

We wouldn’t be in places we didn’t belong if we actually obeyed the War Powers Act. WWII was the last military action where we actually declared war - lawfully, by a vote of Congress. So why haven’t we had to obey the law to declare war? Because nobody has standing to sue over the illegality of combat operations absent a declaration of war.


99 posted on 06/21/2014 9:01:59 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: Alberta's Child

We have it pounded into us, over and over again, that the worst thing in the world would be to rebel against the government. We’re all supposed to accept whatever the system does. The only moral way to resist the government is through legal means, and if there aren’t any legal means then we’re just supposed to be good little people and don’t do anything rash.

It’s totally opposite what founded this country. The idea is that it’s NEVER right to fight. Literally fight. With guns.

As long as the government knows we have no will to fight, they will go as far as they can, knowing there is no real accountability, if there is no means for legal accountability to happen.

Maybe the question the nation needs to ask and answer is “WHEN is it not only OK but actually a moral imperative to fight with guns?” Maybe our failure to deal with that question has put our country in danger by making the politicians feel untouchable.


100 posted on 06/21/2014 9:11:16 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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