Posted on 06/22/2014 9:17:58 AM PDT by Nachum
Back in 2006, after the second US invasion of Iraq culminated if not with the discovery of the WMDs (which were the pretext for the invasion in the first place), but the unearthing (literally) and kangaroo court trial of Saddam Hussein, the US was quick to announce "mission accomplished." Recent events have made a mockery of that claim, however what is truly the straw that broke the back of poetic justice, to mix metaphors, are reports from local media that as part of its blitz-campaign to take over northern Iraq, ISIS found and the promptly executed Rauf Rashid Abd al-Rahman, the judge who sentenced Saddam to death: a death which to many was the crowning moment of the second US invasion of Iraq, and the confirmation of successful US foreign policy.
It goes without saying that if true, the murder of the man who indirectly did the US bidding in slamming the book shut on the Saddam regime (and with it US claims of Iraqi "liberation") and was responsible for Saddam's death, means the last "Mission Accomplished" posted can now be safely taken down.
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Go back and see how the Hashemite royals in Jordan maintained their power over the years. And those people are considered modern, Western-friendly rulers.
Sometimes it’s just very hard to be worse. Saddam had methods for killing people that in some cases took literally a year. I.e.: the torture would begin on a certain day, & be severe, but because some people had tough constitutions & a heroic desire to live, they managed to stick it out for a full year.
Other tortures he subjected the people to were even worse. Without knowing this discussion would come up, I had a ‘flashback’ last night to one of the worst instances of torture Saddam inflicted; it involved a mother & her two young children; I’ll say no more than that. It’s beyond the stuff of nightmares. If you really know what happened, if’s a miracle you can sleep at all. For a while, after I researched it, I literally couldn’t sleep. I wouldn’t wish even the knowledge of what he did onto others, much less the actual experience.
Referencing the Mission Accomplished canard, promoted by the late fat Ted Kennedy, makes you look like a child. It was a mission accomplished sign for the aircraft carrier. Not a mission accomplished sign for the peaceful transition of Iraq to a democracy.
‘Deal with it.’
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Read my prior post. Telling someone who never endured even five minutes of Saddam’s worst tortures to ‘deal with it’ is sick. Tell that to those who managed to survive, or to those who lost loved ones—not to execution, but to long, long, indescribably cruel & protracted torture. Saddam was a literal Sadist. Not a tough guy keeping a lid on his country. A literal Sadist. Let’s see you put yourself or a close relative in a position to experience even the slightest fraction of the suffering Saddam inflicted. Then you will be in a position to ‘deal with it’.
What does religion have to do with using WMD on the Kurds and Iranians ?
Of for that matter, employing torture chambers and death squads ?
Or for that matter, invading Kuwait and fighting a war with Iran for almost 10 years.
ISIS or Saddam, the results are the same.
I don't know enough to pass judgment on any of this -- and neither do you.
But I do suspect that if Saddam Hussein was even more brutal than you say he was, we may be having a more positive conversation about Iraq right now. That's just one of the great ironies about life in the Middle East, I guess.
Let’s also be brutally honest about Saddam Hussein being responsible for the deaths of over a million innocents; for using chemical weapons against the Kurds; for having his scientists working with the Libyans to develop a nuclear weapon; for admitting to his CIA handler while in prison that he planned to ratchet up his nuclear program when the heat was off. This man was going to get a nuclear weapon unless he was stopped. What would we all be saying now if he developed a small nuke, a terrorist came in through Mexico, and it was detonated in New York or DC? I know what people would be saying -— WE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED HIM! WHY DIDN’T WE STOP HIM? God help us if someday it is too late and “We should have stopped Iran.”
The world learned an horrific lesson by not stopping the Nazis earlier when they had a chance to limit the damage and the deaths.
What went wrong in Iraq? Three words — Barrack Hussein Obama. But some on this forum talked about Romneycare (one jerk in particular who kept putting up the same worn out graphics on thread after thread after thread), Romney would be just as bad as Obama, and how horrible the Mormon would be. Well, look what we got. Thanks to the fools here with that attitude. The guy currently occupying the White House is systematically destroying this nation.
I decided to give you a slight clue. Just a very minor insight. As a young man, Saddam used to heat a poker up to as hot as he could get it. Then he would jam it through the midsection of a dog or a cat. The key was not to kill the animal immediately, but to torture it to death as severely & inhumanely as possible.
As an adult, Saddam went way beyond his ‘child’s play’ with dogs & cats. He did to men, women & children far worse. Far, far worse. I thank God Saddam is gone. God alone knows just how much I thank Him that Saddam is gone. The dogs & cats didn’t deserve it—but neither did the men, women & children. The monster is dead. Be glad about it.
Fascinating. Did you grow up in that guy’s neighborhood and attend the same elementary school with him?
And Qaddhafi was more effective at dealing with radical Muslims in Libya, and Mubarak was more effective in Egypt, and Suharto was more effective in Indonesia, and Ferdinand Marcos was more effective in the Philippines. Armed dictatorships are easy; teaching people to rule themselves, and protect themselves against those who would take their liberty, is hard.
And one more thing. If Wendell Willkie had been elected President in 1940, all the blunders that occurred in the first two years of America's entry into WWII--everything from the loss of the Philippines and Wake Island, to the early losses in North Africa, to Tarawa and Anzio, would all have been loudly trumpeted by the Democrats in Congress, by the NYT and the Hearst newspapers, and by the radio networks, as the unforgivable bungles of "Willkie's War," and President Henry Wallace's first act in early 1945 would have been to sign an armistice allowing Hitler control over continental Europe and Hirohito control over the Western Pacific, with his second act being to sign a strategic alliance with Stalin to "contain" the Nazis and the Japanese--except, of course, Stalin would have eventually conquered Japan and Europe with the atomic bomb, the plans for which would have been handed over to him as part of the strategic alliance. Thank God it was a Democrat in the White House in WWII, otherwise the Democrats would never have let us fight it the way we had to--just as they do not let us fight the present war the way we have to.
OH OH
some people are pretty OK with political monsters who break a few eggs (for Saddam it was in the millions) to make an omelet.
The man started a war with Iran that killed millions, and for what?
Easy to pine for the good old days of Saddam Hussein when you sit 7,000 miles away, never lived under the rule of a genocidal psychopath and his family, and assume that people who did were better off and grateful for social order enforced by the terror of a knock on the door in the night- whether they were coming for you, your wife or daughter, or coming to order you to kill your neighbor
this judge’s execution bears the mark of the old Baathists not the new al Qaeda- and these are the people for which that obama hillary and kerry want to depose the democratically elected maliki in order to form a “more inclusive” government
This situation in Iraq makes me sick. Just sick.
At some point even the staunchest apologists for the Bush family will probably admit that the U.S. was on the wrong side in the first Gulf War in 1990.
The bottom line. Crazed curs killing for power over the same sh!t pile.
So you find reading about the sadistic torture deaths of dogs & cats ‘fascinating’. I can think of a hundred words to describe it. ‘Fascinating’ is not on the list.
That's why you don't bother "teaching people" anything of that sort until they're ready, willing and able to learn it themselves. Teaching radical Muslims to rule themselves is like teaching a dog to read Shakespeare.
No, I find it fascinating meet someone here on FreeRepublic who apparently grew up with Saddam Hussein.
Well I can understand, from our brief exchange, why you would be fine with Saddam back in power. Some people are bereft of empathy. There’s nothing one can say to such people. The worst level of animal torture elicits no more of a reaction than ‘fascinating’. I.e.: you can’t be bothered to spend five seconds actually imagining what it’s like to be a human being, perhaps a child, living your entire life at the mercy of such a monster. The best you can do is, ‘fascinating’.
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